ebola

euroboom13

King Mob wrote: »

That has nothing to do with the reporting.
If the killer is in one place that's where he will kill.

Reporting that he is in another place does not magically teleport them there.
That's not how serial killers or viruses work.

Just being afraid of ebola will not give you ebola.

Again, what is your solution?
Should the media cover up the facts about the virus?
Not mention the virus because it was just in Africa?

Could you explain exactly who the media is benefiting and how?

And can you point to example of what you would consider a normal level of reporting?

no

King Mob

euroboom13 wrote: »

no

So much for questioning everything.

People keep pointing to all of the media reports as if they are somehow odd or showing something suspicious. But no one's actually explained why they are odd or suspicious.
No one has even attempted to present a coherent theory.

I think the reason is that people are going in with the assumption that there must be a conspiracy simply because it's in the news and are now looking or anything to latch on to that forgone conclusion.

euroboom13

King Mob wrote: »

So much for questioning everything.

People keep pointing to all of the media reports as if they are somehow odd or showing something suspicious. But no one's actually explained why they are odd or suspicious.
No one has even attempted to present a coherent theory.

I think the reason is that people are going in with the assumption that there must be a conspiracy simply because it's in the news and are now looking or anything to latch on to that forgone conclusion.

you don't believe scaring the mass population has any effect on reality.It has more of a magical effect than you may believe .

like old people giving the intention of prayers to help the sick, the intention of fear , has a similar effect.

you may go your whole lives not believing this .

but its real.

you will look at everything different if you give some belief to the power of intention.

thats why I object

enno99

If anybody is interested

Members of Congress to grill CDC at Ebola hearing

http://www.click2houston.com/news/Politics/hill-members-to-grill-cdc-at-ebola-hearing/29160202

King Mob

euroboom13 wrote: »

you don't believe scaring the mass population has any effect on reality.It has more of a magical effect than you may believe .

like old people giving the intention of prayers to help the sick, the intention of fear , has a similar effect.

you may go your whole lives not believing this .

but its real.

you will look at everything different if you give some belief to the power of intention.

thats why I object

You have provided no reasoning at all that would convince me or anyone else of what you are saying.
I asked you questions for you to provide this reasoning, but you could not answer them and instead insulted the people who dare to question you.

If a person has no contact with the virus, being afraid of ebola will not cause them to suddenly get the virus.

You have not explained why any of the media report is odd or unusual.
You have not explained what normal media reporting would be.
You have not explained what the conspiracy actually is.

Does the fact you cannot explain these things not make you question your conclusions?

euroboom13

King Mob wrote: »

You have provided no reasoning at all that would convince me or anyone else of what you are saying.
I asked you questions for you to provide this reasoning, but you could not answer them and instead insulted the people who dare to question you.

If a person has no contact with the virus, being afraid of ebola will not cause them to suddenly get the virus.

You have not explained why any of the media report is odd or unusual.
You have not explained what normal media reporting would be.
You have not explained what the conspiracy actually is.

Does the fact you cannot explain these things not make you question your conclusions?

There is knowing and then there is believing.
I know but I can't make you believe.
I have answered ,but not in way you would understand.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LOxlZm2AU4o

King Mob

euroboom13 wrote: »

There is knowing and then there is believing.
I know but I can't make you believe.
I have answered ,but not in way you would understand.

No, you haven't explained anything at all.

They are simple, direct questions that do not need to be answered with cryptic pseudo-philosophy.

You cannot convince me because you've made no attempt to do so besides declare yourself above questioning.

Is there anything that might convince you to reevaluate your own opinions?

euroboom13

King Mob wrote: »

No, you haven't explained anything at all.

They are simple, direct questions that do not need to be answered with cryptic pseudo-philosophy.

You cannot convince me because you've made no attempt to do so besides declare yourself above questioning.

Is there anything that might convince you to reevaluate your own opinions?

Nothing,I am under no illusions .

I know.

weisses

enno99 wrote: »

If anybody is interested

Members of Congress to grill CDC at Ebola hearing

http://www.click2houston.com/news/Politics/hill-members-to-grill-cdc-at-ebola-hearing/29160202

They made quite a mess from something that is so obviously clear regarding the use of safety protocols

enno99

weisses wrote: »

They made quite a mess from something that is so obviously clear regarding the use of safety protocols

Thats whats so puzzling these guys at CDC know what they are dealing with
Yet they have this lax attitude to protocols
I think he got away light a that meeting He looked a little uncomfortable at times and couldent answer some questions


Now it seems the second nurse had symptoms before she flew out so thats two plane loads of people to be tracked down and monitored and 5 days she was interacting with people

then there is this clipboard guy

As coverage of the transport of the Dallas second health care worker diagnosed with Ebola aired live on NBC 5, viewers questioned a sight at Love Field Wednesday: A man in plain clothes standing among those in hazmat suits.

While three people helped Amber Vinson out of an ambulance, off a stretcher and up the stairs to a specially equipped jet taking her to Atlanta for treatment at Emory University Hospital, a man wearing no protective gear stood nearby holding a yellow envelope.

The man, wearing only slacks, a buttoned-down shirt and sunglasses, appeared out of place and outraged viewers who wanted to know why he was unprotected while everyone, including Vinson, was covered from heard to toe. Two of the workers who helped her from the stretcher even wore respirators.

The unidentified man stood very near another hazmat-suited worker and then took what appeared to be a container from one of the suited workers. He placed it on the steps to the jet and walked out of view.

He then reappeared as one of the PPE-suited workers came off the plane with red hazmat bags. He took what appeared to be a not-yet-used red bag from the worker in protective gear, then handed it to the workers as they bagged up items from the ambulance ride.

Then he conversed with two workers wearing respirators while the red hazmat bags were loaded onto the plane. He then grabbed the container from the stairs and got on the plane which departed Love Field en route to Atlanta.

http://www.nbcdfw.com/news/health/Plain-Clothes-Man-Perplexes-Viewers-279357962.html


Video in link

degrassinoel

Risk of infection would have been extremely low if not nil in that particular case, but it's still disturbing to see protocols are not being followed by apparent professionals.

King Mob

euroboom13 wrote: »

Nothing,I am under no illusions .

I know.

You are closed minded then.
I've explained what would make me reevaluate my position, but I don't think you're able to provide what I ask for.


So are these lapses in safety (assuming they are actually so) on purpose?
If so, why?
Was this guy not taking precautions because he knew that the ebola was fake?

enno99

King Mob wrote: »

You are closed minded then.
I've explained what would make me reevaluate my position, but I don't think you're able to provide what I ask for.


So are these lapses in safety (assuming they are actually so) on purpose?
If so, why?
Was this guy not taking precautions because he knew that the ebola was fake?

I wish you would stop badgering people to speculate on on things they are not 100% sure of
You seem to want others to come up with wild CTs so you can blow them out of the water and make yourself look good

King Mob

enno99 wrote: »

I wish you would stop badgering people to speculate on on things they are not 100% sure of
You seem to want others to come up with wild CTs so you can blow them out of the water and make yourself look good

If I'm repeating questions it's because they are being ignored. Do you think that there's something unfair with the ones I asked?

I'm asking these questions because I don't understand why this is being discussed here in the first place because I cannot see any conspiracy or any reason, good or bad why people would think there is one.
No one has provided this reason.

Yet, people like yourself keep posting things as if you have some insight into what's happening.
So again, what makes you think that there is a possible conspiracy?
Why not post all these links you are posting to a news forum or to the medical forum?

degrassinoel

Guys, if your question is ignored or unanswered to your satisfaction, repeating it constantly is taking the thread down to a level where it's no longer a discussion, but an interrogation.

Suggest using PMs - or making your own counterpoint to the ignored question - it may not have been deliberately ignored. Keep it civil - you all know the score by now.

enno99

King Mob wrote: »

Yet, people like yourself keep posting things as if you have some insight into what's happening.
So again, what makes you think that there is a possible conspiracy?
Why not post all these links you are posting to a news forum or to the medical forum?

I think degrassinoel is a very capable mod and if you feel the thread has no place here maybe you should request that it be closed and put forward your argument as to why

jh79

So is it a fair summary that when they announce a positive like a potential treatment it is a big pharma conspiracy and when something negative occurs like a lapse in protocol that leads to further infected or an over enthusiastic press it is a also a conspiracy possible depopulation by the NWO?

How would this need to play out for it not to be a nefarious plot ?

King Mob

enno99 wrote: »

I think degrassinoel is a very capable mod and if you feel the thread has no place here maybe you should request that it be closed and put forward your argument as to why

Or I can ask people and get a discussion going?

I've asked several times why this should be a conspiracy, but no one can answer. I don't see why the question is difficult or unfair or why it's being ignored.

There is no reason to think it is a conspiracy.
No one has pointed out any possible theory because none exists.

The thread is pretty much now just a dump for copy pasted news articles from the media then coyly insinuating that it points to conspiracy without actual explaining (or knowing) how it does so.

The thread could have been a discussion if people explained on speculated on the news articles and what they mean and why they show a conspiracy, but as you've stated no one is interested in that, you know, discussing a conspiracy theory.

enno99

jh79 wrote: »

So is it a fair summary that when they announce a positive like a potential treatment it is a big pharma conspiracy and when something negative occurs like a lapse in protocol that leads to further infected or an over enthusiastic press it is a also a conspiracy possible depopulation by the NWO?

How would this need to play out for it not to be a nefarious plot ?

That seems fair in part
It is much easier to form a theory when you have good grasp of who stands to gain an who all the actors are

As it stands we just have governments and the CDC who seem to be behaving like the cast of Monty Python

jh79

enno99 wrote: »

That seems fair in part
It is much easier to form a theory when you have good grasp of who stands to gain an who all the actors are

As it stands we just have governments and the CDC who seem to be behaving like the cast of Monty Python

So who do you want to develop a vaccine if not big pharma?

Would you agree that the scatter gun approach highlights paranoia on the part of the CT community rather than any real insight into the situation?

enno99

jh79 wrote: »

So who do you want to develop a vaccine if not big pharma?

Would you agree that the scatter gun approach highlights paranoia on the part of the CT community rather than any real insight into the situation?

Big pharma is one company now is it where are their HQ

NO

jh79

enno99 wrote: »

Big pharma is one company now is it where are their HQ

NO

So what pharma companies would you be happy to see develop a vaccine?

What is the criteria for the label "big pharma"?

weisses

Interesting piece on Ebola and the US

http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-ebola-virus-pandemic-a-weapon-of-mass-destruction/5394976

weisses

enno99 wrote: »

Thats whats so puzzling these guys at CDC know what they are dealing with
Yet they have this lax attitude to protocols
I think he got away light a that meeting He looked a little uncomfortable at times and couldent answer some questions


Now it seems the second nurse had symptoms before she flew out so thats two plane loads of people to be tracked down and monitored and 5 days she was interacting with people

then there is this clipboard guy

As coverage of the transport of the Dallas second health care worker diagnosed with Ebola aired live on NBC 5, viewers questioned a sight at Love Field Wednesday: A man in plain clothes standing among those in hazmat suits.

While three people helped Amber Vinson out of an ambulance, off a stretcher and up the stairs to a specially equipped jet taking her to Atlanta for treatment at Emory University Hospital, a man wearing no protective gear stood nearby holding a yellow envelope.

The man, wearing only slacks, a buttoned-down shirt and sunglasses, appeared out of place and outraged viewers who wanted to know why he was unprotected while everyone, including Vinson, was covered from heard to toe. Two of the workers who helped her from the stretcher even wore respirators.

The unidentified man stood very near another hazmat-suited worker and then took what appeared to be a container from one of the suited workers. He placed it on the steps to the jet and walked out of view.

He then reappeared as one of the PPE-suited workers came off the plane with red hazmat bags. He took what appeared to be a not-yet-used red bag from the worker in protective gear, then handed it to the workers as they bagged up items from the ambulance ride.

Then he conversed with two workers wearing respirators while the red hazmat bags were loaded onto the plane. He then grabbed the container from the stairs and got on the plane which departed Love Field en route to Atlanta.

http://www.nbcdfw.com/news/health/Plain-Clothes-Man-Perplexes-Viewers-279357962.html


Video in link

Combine the 2

Plus the fact they have their own patented virus

http://www.google.com/patents/CA2741523A1?cl=en

No medical reason to bring Ebola to the United States

This patent may help explain why Ebola victims are being transported to the United States and put under the medical authority of the CDC. These patients are carrying valuable intellectual property assets in the form of Ebola variants, and the Centers for Disease Control clearly desires to expand its patent portfolio by harvesting, studying and potentially patenting new strains or variants.

Dr. Bob Arnot, an infectious disease specialist who spent time on the ground in developing nations saving lives, recently told Judge Jeanine, "There is no medical reason to bring them here, especially when you see how well Dr. Bradley was." (2)

There is, however, an entirely different reason to bring Ebola patients to America: so they can be exploited for medical experiments, military bioweapons harvesting or intellectual property claims.

Surely, medical authorities at Emory University and the CDC are working hard to save the lives of the two patients who have been transported to the U.S. But they are also pursuing something else at the same time: an agenda of isolating, identifying and patenting infectious disease agents for reasons that we can only imagine.

jh79

Is that Dr Danger? Must have a book to sell , possibly nutritional recipes to combat ebola??

weisses

jh79 wrote: »

Is that Dr Danger? Must have a book to sell , possibly nutritional recipes to combat ebola??

Did he ??? must have missed that part ...

Nice constructive post btw worthy of a discussion ... not

jh79

Couldn't just send frozen blood samples from the infected to get the various strains?

degrassinoel

Where's the fun in that?

Seriously though, As an american citizen there are probably rights to be looked at - plus treating a live patient would yield more results than a dead one or that persons blood samples being studied remotely.

It's likely imho these people are being asked to volunteer/volunteered for experimental treatments.

I heard the total number of infected in Sierra Leone is now 9000, probably more since i heard that yesterday - that's an epidemic.

jh79

weisses wrote: »

Did he ??? must have missed that part ...

Nice constructive post btw worthy of a discussion ... not

Is he the same guy? Likes to sell recipe books claiming they will prevent cancer?

How is he an expert in infectious diseases?

jh79

degrassinoel wrote: »

Where's the fun in that?

Seriously though, As an american citizen there are probably rights to be looked at - plus treating a live patient would yield more results than a dead one or that persons blood samples being studied remotely.

It's likely imho these people are being asked to volunteer/volunteered for experimental treatments.

I heard the total number of infected in Sierra Leone is now 9000, probably more since i heard that yesterday - that's an epidemic.

The conspiracy is about isolating and patenting variant s of the virus.

Of course just happens to be in those with western connections!

degrassinoel

Yeah, i've been reading the thread, surprisingly :P

enno99

Reports tonight are that two individuals possibly infected with the Ebola virus are in Belizean waters. Local TV station Channel 7 monitored in the capital City Of Belmopan tonight, reported having credible reports that a couple from a Texas-based cruise ship presently anchored off Belize City, is on a ship tender, unable to return to the cruise ship, while being refused entry to Belize City to catch an air ambulance awaiting at the International Airport to take them to the their country of origin, the U.S.A


“Confirmed with representatives of the Ministry of Health that they have indeed received a report that there is at least one passenger on board the cruise ship, Carnival Magic, showing symptoms similar to that of the Ebola virus. According to the report made to MOH, the person exhibiting the symptoms did not come ashore today. The ship is reportedly carrying 3652 passengers and a total population of 4633 persons.



“Late afternoon on Wednesday, Oct. 15., we were made aware by the U.S. CDC of a guest sailing this week on board Carnival Magic who is a lab supervisor at Texas Health Presbyterian Hospital. At no point in time has the individual exhibited any symptoms or signs of infection and it has been 19 days since she was in the lab with the testing samples.

http://belizean.com/belize-confirms-patient-with-ebola-symptoms-on-cruise-ship-off-its-coast-1814/

Who is telling the truth ?

Brown Bomber

enno99 wrote: »

If anybody is interested

Members of Congress to grill CDC at Ebola hearing

http://www.click2houston.com/news/Politics/hill-members-to-grill-cdc-at-ebola-hearing/29160202

Ha, thought that said dick2houston. Sorry to interrupt .

Daithi 1

Man in Ghana confirms Ebola is all a big hoax. People are sharing this all over facebook as PROOF that it's all a false flag. Unbelievable.

If a man in Iceland said chicken pox was all a hoax, would they buy into it, I wonder ?


http://www.themindawakened.com/2014/10/ebo-lie-man-living-in-ghana-confirms.html?m=1

DamagedTrax

Daithi 1 wrote: »

Man in Ghana confirms Ebola is all a big hoax. People are sharing this all over facebook as PROOF that it's all a false flag. Unbelievable.

If a man in Iceland said chicken pox was all a hoax, would they buy into it, I wonder ?


http://www.themindawakened.com/2014/10/ebo-lie-man-living-in-ghana-confirms.html?m=1

if you're interested in CTs then he makes a good argument. his reasoning is good and its not outside the realms of possibility judging on previous 'pandemics'.

whether he's right or not remains to be seen.

jh79

degrassinoel wrote: »

Yeah, i've been reading the thread, surprisingly :P

Have you any idea what the conspiracy is?

degrassinoel

jh79 wrote: »

Have you any idea what the conspiracy is?

I'm making it up as i go, why?

jh79

degrassinoel wrote: »

I'm making it up as i go, why?

Just so i can judge my responses, i tend to view ct's as a bit of fun , see how outlandish they can get with out any real substance. This definitely falls in that category.

jh79

One of my favorite parts of a CT is the willingness of the believers to buy into the musings of an "expert" with no real credentials. The "Question everything but" attitude.

degrassinoel

Offtopic :- and probably deserves one of it's own. But i find them sometimes entertaining, insulting, ridiculous, fantastic and even enlightening. It's hard to pin down one particular word on any given topic, oh and depressing too - but generally entertaining


Ontopic: was it thread that someone mentioned garlic being used as homoeopathic remedy for diseases?

jh79

degrassinoel wrote: »

Offtopic :- and probably deserves one of it's own. But i find them sometimes entertaining, insulting, ridiculous, fantastic and even enlightening. It's hard to pin down one particular word that any given topic in here would evoke due to the numerous posts from different people and differing opinions and points of view.


Ontopic: was it thread that someone mentioned garlic being used as homoeopathic remedy for diseases?

Two posters swear by garlic for no apparent reason, never mind it is used as a stable in most diets yet people still get sick

degrassinoel

Yeah i remember the debate, i found this today and meant to post it but couldnt remember which topic it would have been at home in.

garlic being used to treat Trees with various disease - the guy's name gave me a laugh.. Mr.Woodward

http://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-29522647

Not entirely the right topic (trees are not people.. yet), but as it was mentioned here as having medicinal properties i figured it could have some credence to the folks who originally posted about it.

the page is incredibly slow for me, so i'll just quote part of it

Operating under an experimental government licence, a prototype piece of technology to administer the solution is being trialled on a woodland estate in Northamptonshire.

Widespread use of the injection process is impractical and expensive.

But it could potentially help save trees of historic or sentimental value.

Garlic is one of nature's most powerful antibacterial and antifungal agents.

It contains a compound called allicin, which scientists are interested in harnessing.

The experimental injection device is made up of a pressurised chamber and eight "octopus" tubes.

The pressure punches the solution through the tubes and through special injection units in to the tree's sap system. The needles are positioned in a way to get allicin evenly around the tree.

The moment the active agent starts to encounter the disease, it destroys it. The poison is organic and isn't rejected by the tree.

jh79

degrassinoel wrote: »

Yeah i remember the debate, i found this today and meant to post it but couldnt remember which topic it would have been at home in.

garlic being used to treat Trees with various disease - the Doctor's name gave me a laugh.. Dr.Woodward

http://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-29522647

So much wrong with that , any scientist that uses the tern "organic" like that should immediately be sacked.

degrassinoel

Yeah maybe, but i'd still like to see the results

jh79

degrassinoel wrote: »

Yeah maybe, but i'd still like to see the results

These report s never just present the results a bit of a nice story that crumbles under scrutiny .

degrassinoel

It'll be reported if it's successful i'm sure - but will it be? lol

Rotunda Shill

2014 minus 666 = 1348

The the Black Death or Bubonic Plague occurred in the year 1348

weisses

jh79 wrote: »

Just so i can judge my responses, i tend to view ct's as a bit of fun , see how outlandish they can get with out any real substance. This definitely falls in that category.

I had the same view on that theory regarding mercola ... Loads of links posted without any substance ...

degrassinoel

Partially my own fault here, so my apologies..

We are drifting offtopic with the conversation here, we should continue this in the feedback thread if there's more offtopicness to discuss?

enno99

euroboom13 wrote: »

It is getting too much airtime in countries that are not involved.
Its been around since the 70`s yet only 5000 deaths, more children die prematurely every day.

Why ,why, why ,Is it being promoted.

Its not inoffensive broadcast, its completely dramatic.

But it is normal , informative helpful information that your children should be watching before bedtime.! Not in my house

Ebola virus stuffed toy 'sells out' in the US

The company says it sells the stuffed Ebola virus toy as a 'great teaching tool for students of all ages' and on its website it has received rave reviews from buyers who described it as "fun and creative" and "cute".




Giant Microbes' Ebola virus stuffed toy has reportedly 'sold out'. Credit: Giant Microbes website.

Even if you keep your kids away from the TV
wonder if they will use it teach kids in schools