ebola

enno99

Ebola is real

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FfLTOaVwf6k

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TP6qMY1_6dg

Read some where this guy got hired Tuesday had Ebola Wednesday and the TV station had ship them all home
where they broke quarantine to go go for pizza or something to that effect

jh79

quote="weisses;92652633"]I had the same view on that theory regarding mercola ... Loads of links posted without any substance ...[/quote]


I did say at the time mine was as much a CT as this and the Bill Gates thread.

The difference between mine and this is mine had a clear narrative, the fraud that is Mercola and by extension the fraud that is natural and complimentary medicine . Difficult to discuss given the lack of evidence supporting the old wives tales i suppose.

jh79

enno99, what is your take on the situation as it stands?

King Mob

enno99 wrote: »

Ebola virus stuffed toy 'sells out' in the US

The company says it sells the stuffed Ebola virus toy as a 'great teaching tool for students of all ages' and on its website it has received rave reviews from buyers who described it as "fun and creative" and "cute".



Giant Microbes' Ebola virus stuffed toy has reportedly 'sold out'. Credit: Giant Microbes website.

Even if you keep your kids away from the TV
wonder if they will use it teach kids in schools

These things have been on sale for years.
What exactly does a stuffed hipster toy have to do with the conspiracy?

And have you considered that the "Ebola is real" campaign is because there are people who are spreading doubt about the virus for an agenda (or for conspiracy theorists, a hobby) at the expense of awareness and education?

enno99

King Mob wrote: »

And have you considered that the "Ebola is real" campaign is because there are people who are spreading doubt about the virus for an agenda (or for conspiracy theorists, a hobby) at the expense of awareness and education?

Im open to hear what you have to say re this particular CT

Who are these people ?
why are they spreading this what is their agenda ?
why would they want to let people die and this to spread across the globe ?

King Mob

enno99 wrote: »

Im open to hear what you have to say re this particular CT

Who are these people ?
why are they spreading this what is their agenda ?
why would they want to let people die and this to spread across the globe ?

This is just speculation of course, but:
People with religious agendas and/or anti west or anti corporate agendas.
They could spread it for a lot of reasons including fear or dislike of western or corporate interests.
And as for why they don't care about the potential consequences, same reason conspiracy theorists don't I suppose.

It could just be an innocuous choice of words.

So what is your take on it? Why do you think they are running a campaign that makes it obvious that ebola is fake?

Could you explain what does a stuffed toy have to do with the conspiracy?

enno99

King Mob wrote: »

This is just speculation of course, but:
People with religious agendas and/or anti west or anti corporate agendas.
They could spread it for a lot of reasons including fear or dislike of western or corporate interests.
And as for why they don't care about the potential consequences, same reason conspiracy theorists don't I suppose.

It could just be an innocuous choice of words.

So what is your take on it? Why do you think they are running a campaign that makes it obvious that ebola is fake?

Could you explain what does a stuffed toy have to do with the conspiracy?

Good to see you are keeping in step

David Cameron Says Non-Violent Conspiracy Theorists Are Just As Dangerous As ISIS

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IuwOfQI8YA8

David Cameron told the U.N. that "non-violent extremism" is just as dangerous as terrorism and must be eradicated using all means at the government's disposal. He references 9/11 and 7/7 Truthers as examples of the type of extremism that must be dealt in a similar fashion to ISIS

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?141695-David-Cameron-quot-Conspiracy-theorists-are-just-as-dangerous-as-ISIS-quot

The fluffy toy post was primarily for euroboom13 I thought it might be of interest to them

King Mob

enno99 wrote: »

Good to see you are keeping in step

Well are you concerned at all that by suggesting that there is a conspiracy here that you are making people doubt the seriousness and threat of the virus?

If not, why would people who are doing the same just closer to the actual events?

So could you please tell us what you take on it is?
Why do you think they are running a campaign that makes it obvious that ebola is fake?

enno99

King Mob wrote: »

Well are you concerned at all that by suggesting that there is a conspiracy here that you are making people doubt the seriousness and threat of the virus?

If not, why would people who are doing the same just closer to the actual events?

So could you please tell us what you take on it is?
Why do you think they are running a campaign that makes it obvious that ebola is fake?

What conspiracy are you talking about ?

I doubt anybody doubts the seriousness or threat of virus that kills 70% of those who get it

No I wont give you my take on it
It would be just pure speculation at this point. Please dont ask again
I am posting articles found on the internet that I find interesting and might interest others
Request their removal if you find them offensive or dangerous in any way

King Mob

enno99 wrote: »

What conspiracy are you talking about ?

The fact you are posting it on a conspiracy theory forum implies that you believe that a conspiracy might be at play.
If not, why post it here?

enno99 wrote: »

I doubt anybody doubts the seriousness or threat of virus that kills 70% of those who get it

Really?
http://www.presstv.com/detail/2014/08/09/374593/ebola-threat-real-or-false-flag/

A spectacular disease that gains a lot of attention, but is incapable of killing a large number of people, is ideal for false-flag manipulations of public opinion. One of the leading indicators of a false flag is disproportion between the event's massive public relations impact and the feeble reality of the alleged threat.

One of many articles expressing doubts about the virus and it's threat.

enno99 wrote: »

No I wont give you my take on it
It would be just pure speculation at this point. Please dont ask again

So you're not interested in discussion. You just want to post links?
Then why are you allowed to ask me my opinion on it?

enno99 wrote: »

I am posting articles found on the internet that I find interesting and might interest others
Request their removal if you find them offensive or dangerous in any way

Again, why post here if that's the reason?
If it's just because you find them interesting, wouldn't they be better seen in other forums?

If there's a conspiracy angle to any of the stuff you've posted you don't seem willing to discuss it.
I'm only asking for you to explain what the conspiracy angle is because I cannot see it.

The only way i can see it could be a conspiracy is because you have decided that there is something fishy about it simply because it's a world event.
Is this a fair assessment?

enno99

Odd that you would encourage someone to engage in something that you and Mr Cameron think is detrimental to peoples well-being



Thanks for the PressTv link

King Mob

enno99 wrote: »

Odd that you would encourage someone to engage in something that you and Mr Cameron think is detrimental to peoples well-being

I don't think it's detrimental to peoples well-being. I was simply pointing out how people might justify or ignore the consequences of spreading doubt in response to a question you asked.

euroboom13

Sky have dropped the Ebola story today. Will the disease drop off too?

YES.

jh79

euroboom13 wrote: »

Sky have dropped the Ebola story today. Will the disease drop off too?

YES.

Can you explain how a channel unavailable to those in the regions involved could have any influence?

euroboom13

jh79 wrote: »

Can you explain how a channel unavailable to those in the regions involved could have any influence?

Watch and see if it has an impact, I could explain but you watch and draw your own conclusion.

jh79

euroboom13 wrote: »

Watch and see if it has an impact, I could explain but you watch and draw your own conclusion.

My own conclusions are that if the disease spreads further in the West and/or the situation worsens in Africa it will become more prominent in the media. If the situation stabilizes it will become less prominent in the media.

euroboom13

Chicken and egg excuse.

Fact..... Today (not tomorrow) the media reduced its coverage, Tomorrow we will see signs of a recovery, not the other way round, but you believe what you want.(or be open minded to my bold PREDICTION)

Why not be bold in your prediction and tell me I am wrong and things are only escalating .

jh79

Can you explain how ebola is influenced by Sky News?

gozunda

jh79 wrote: »

My own conclusions are that if the disease spreads further in the West and/or the situation worsens in Africa it will become more prominent in the media. If the situation stabilizes it will become less prominent in the media.

Yes ok BUT re: western media - major global news stories will always be covered no matter the location. If this epidemic decreases of course it's going to feature less in daily media reports! Wtf. It's not like Africa doesn't have its own TV and print media - Media audiences in Europe / America are unlikely to have regular access to. Of interest Liberia appears to have extremely restrictive practises when it comes to media reporting with Liberia's government stating that journalists will need official permission to cover the Ebola outbreak under rules aimed at allegedly protecting privacy. Hiwever if the relevant governments are not forthcoming in terms of reporting the epidemic then no matter who is reporting ie either local or foreign media then the epidemic may become under reported as a result of such restrictions and may appear as less as a major issue than is the actual situation.

euroboom13

jh79 wrote: »

Can you explain how ebola is influenced by Sky News?

I can explain but it will be more effective for you to observe and see for yourself, how it works.

So lets see if today's reduction has an impact on tomorrows containment!

(Already I can see you saying tomorrow that illness containment success ,came before media coverage reduction. So ,I know I will have to keep showing examples of which came first the chicken or the egg)

Today's news ramping is ISIS and Syria/Iraq(let see if that increased coverage, has any impact, over the next few days)

Patients

jh79

gozunda wrote: »

Yes ok BUT re: western media - major global news stories will always be covered no matter the location. If this epidemic decreases of course it's going to feature less in daily media reports! Wtf.

I know it is a pretty obvious correlation but euroboom13 is claiming the news is influencing the spread of the virus.

jh79

euroboom13 wrote: »

I can explain but it will be more effective for you to observe and see for yourself, how it works.

So lets see if today's reduction has an impact on tomorrows containment!

(Already I can see you saying tomorrow that illness containment success ,came before media coverage reduction. So ,I know I will have to keep showing examples of which came first the chicken or the egg)

Today's news ramping is ISIS and Syria/Iraq(let see if that increased coverage, has any impact, over the next few days)

Patients

Are you saying the news is influencing how people react to the situation or is influencing the virus itself?

euroboom13

Watch and draw your own conclusion.

I am trying to show to you the power of public awareness and its powerful effect on outcomes.

But you keep looking for direct correlation, its effects aren't explainable that way.

jh79

euroboom13 wrote: »

Watch and draw your own conclusion.

I am trying to show to you the power of public awareness and its powerful effect on outcomes.

But you keep looking for direct correlation, its effects aren't explainable that way.

Could you at least make an attempt to explain the mechanisms by which public awareness can influence an outcome?

DamagedTrax

jh79 wrote: »

Could you at least make an attempt to explain the mechanisms by which public awareness can influence an outcome?

I would suggest he's hinting that the media is being used as tool to scaremonger people into believing that this 'pandemic' is not quite as it seems. possibly no more than a useful distraction to get troops on the ground or a reason to get certain vaccines into people. And now with the possibility that the job is done, the media attention will drop off and the 'pandemic' will miraculously be under control.

thats what i got from what he was saying anyway.

DamagedTrax

seems he wasnt far wrong :eek:

Today, the World Health Organisation (WHO) said that Nigeria had been declared Ebola-free after six weeks with no new cases.

"This is a spectacular success story," WHO representative Rui Gama Vaz told a news conference in the capital Abuja, where officials broke into applause when he announced that Nigeria had shaken off the disease.

He said: "It shows that Ebola can be contained, but we must be clear that we have only won a battle, the war will only end when West Africa is also declared free of Ebola."

This year's Ebola outbreak, the worst on record, has killed 4,546 people across the three most-affected countries, Liberia, Guinea and Sierra Leone.

degrassinoel

Apparently there's a woman being tested for Ebola in Dublin today - so yeah, lack of media interest is not working as intended according to that theory.

http://www.thejournal.ie/african-woman-being-treated-for-ebola-in-mater-1735040-Oct2014/

DamagedTrax

degrassinoel wrote: »

Apparently there's a woman being tested for Ebola in Dublin today - so yeah, lack of media interest is not working as intended according to that theory.

http://www.thejournal.ie/african-woman-being-treated-for-ebola-in-mater-1735040-Oct2014/

its an "extremely low risk" case and the cops and fire service have said they're just following procedure as the woman recently returned from africa.

degrassinoel

Yeah, i agree. However it's good to know that there are strict procedures being undertaken by the emergency services here

DamagedTrax

degrassinoel wrote: »

Yeah, i agree. However it's good to know that there are strict procedures being undertaken by the emergency services here

100% agree

doesnt matter if one believes this outbreak to be real, fake or purposely planned, there's always a chance you're wrong. As long as the threat exists, it needs to be managed properly.

Duiske

euroboom13 wrote: »

Sky have dropped the Ebola story today. Will the disease drop off too?

YES.

Just wondering, but the death toll (the official figure) was, as of saturday, something in the region of 4,550 dead and 9,600 infected. If in a months time the official figures reach, say, 8,000 dead and 16,000 infected, would you be willing to admit that your theory may be flawed ?
I really don't mean to be disrespectful to you, but your theory sounds almost like a definition for "head in the sand". If you can't hear it or see it, then it ain't happening.

Faktuu

euroboom13 wrote: »

Or is this another fear factor?

it exactly is as you said just a fear factor, it actually is pretty hard to get infected with that
as you need to mix body fluids. and only in the last stadium it appears in saliva.
so one could put hands in a bowl with infected blood and provided you have no scratches/open wounds you will be fine after good wash.

also apparently at the same time there are cases of black plague in Africa
google it

euroboom13

Duiske wrote: »

Just wondering, but the death toll (the official figure) was, as of saturday, something in the region of 4,550 dead and 9,600 infected. If in a months time the official figures reach, say, 8,000 dead and 16,000 infected, would you be willing to admit that your theory may be flawed ?
I really don't mean to be disrespectful to you, but your theory sounds almost like a definition for "head in the sand". If you can't hear it or see it, then it ain't happening.

You believe what you like.

As the sayings goes
"what you don't know can`t hurt you"
"What you talk about ,grows legs"

The truth is we ,the public, rubbish these ideas but the powers that be respect it.

So IF the powers that be respect these rules(and they do believe me), you have to ask yourself WHY.(promote pandemics )


I don't care if you respect me are not, respect yourself, I do.

"Head in the sand" I started this tread to point out the stupidity of moving the problem from origin. It only became a problem in other countries well after this was pointed out. Which led to me asking was this stupidity/negligent or a premeditated fear plan.

You seem to believe we live in a stupid/negligent world , I believe its more deliberate controlled fear project.

King Mob

euroboom13 wrote: »

The truth is we ,the public, rubbish these ideas but the powers that be respect it.

But what if they don't?

And how do you know they do?

Daithi 1

Faktuu wrote: »

it exactly is as you said just a fear factor, it actually is pretty hard to get infected with that
as you need to mix body fluids. and only in the last stadium it appears in saliva.
so one could put hands in a bowl with infected blood and provided you have no scratches/open wounds you will be fine after good wash.

also apparently at the same time there are cases of black plague in Africa
google it

It also comes from the sweat glands, so just by rubbing off and infected person, you can get infected. Also if they sneeze near you, cough or if you try to suck their eyeballs out. Ebola can survive on worktop surfaces etc for several hours. It's really not that difficult to catch.

euroboom13

King Mob wrote: »

But what if they don't?

And how do you know they do?

The question you should be asking yourself is ,what if they do believe?
(Answering your two questions only reaffirms ,what you already believe.)

King Mob

euroboom13 wrote: »

The question you should be asking yourself is ,what if they do believe?

If it is the case, then it leads to a lot of questions about the conspiracy that you've been unable to answer

euroboom13 wrote: »

(Answering your two questions only reaffirms ,what you already believe.)

Your position is based on the assumption that the people in charge believe in essentially magic. Then from that you argue that if they believe in this magic, then they wouldn't be doing what they were doing unless they are up to something nefarious. Therefore something nefarious is happening.

However if they don't believe in magic, then you have no reason to believe there's something nefarious happening.

So again, how do you know what the powers that be believe?

euroboom13

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=964ZLJ6ZI84

DamagedTrax

cure for ebola 'within weeks'

http://www.thejournal.ie/ebola-cure-coming-within-weeks-1738764-Oct2014/

now, whatever you think about this being a conspiracy or not, you guys that were on at him have to admit that euroboom13 was spot on with his prediction.

jh79

DamagedTrax wrote: »

cure for ebola 'within weeks'

http://www.thejournal.ie/ebola-cure-coming-within-weeks-1738764-Oct2014/

now, whatever you think about this being a conspiracy or not, you guys that were on at him have to admit that euroboom13 was spot on with his prediction.

How was he spot on?

King Mob

DamagedTrax wrote: »

cure for ebola 'within weeks'

http://www.thejournal.ie/ebola-cure-coming-within-weeks-1738764-Oct2014/

now, whatever you think about this being a conspiracy or not, you guys that were on at him have to admit that euroboom13 was spot on with his prediction.

So you've proved his prediction about the lack of media coverage by pointing to media coverage?

Or was it the prediction that if you don't hear about it in the media you don't hear about it in the media?

DamagedTrax

King Mob wrote: »

So you've proved his prediction about the lack of media coverage by pointing to media coverage?

Or was it the prediction that if you don't hear about it in the media you don't hear about it in the media?

his prediction was that they'd announce ebola was done, they'd announce a cure very soon and media attention would dissapate..

all those things happened within 2 days of him saying they would.

i dont know how or why or if its even got anything to do with his theory (which i personally dont believe) but when it comes to the basics of what he said, the guy was right and you know it.

King Mob

DamagedTrax wrote: »

his prediction was that they'd announce ebola was done, they'd announce a cure very soon and media attention would dissapate..

all those things happened within 2 days of him saying they would.

i dont know how or why or if its even got anything to do with his theory (which i personally dont believe) but when it comes to the basics of what he said, the guy was right and you know it.

But the report didn't say that ebola was done.
They didn't even say that they actually had the cure.

And he didn't predict that they would announce a cure or that it was done.

He said:

Sky have dropped the Ebola story today. Will the disease drop off too?

YES.

The story was not dropped as you have shown by posting a news story about it.
Ebola itself has not dropped off because that's not what the article says, and a disease does not just vanish overnight because it wasn't reported in the news.

I'm surprised you could get "basics" from a prediction so vague and lacking in detail.
Even if we ignore all that at take the vaguest criteria, stopped clocks are right twice a day.

So again, what part of the prediction was spot on?

DamagedTrax

King Mob wrote: »

But the report ...was spot on?

you clearly didnt understand what he was getting at.

someone even suggested that he was saying the media drop off would affect the actual disease

now either some people on this thread take things WAY too literally, the intelligence levels have dropped to the point of not getting subtlety or they're being quite facetious... (i suspect the latter).

King Mob

DamagedTrax wrote: »

you clearly didnt understand what he was getting at.

If this is the case then it's because he is being cryptic and unwilling to explain what he's getting at when asked.

If you know what he's getting at and how his vague non-prediction predicted something, then please explain.

DamagedTrax wrote: »

someone even suggested that he was saying the media drop off would affect the actual disease
.

If this isn't the case, then his prediction is "if the media cover stops there's no more media coverage." Which is just a tautology, not a prediction.
And one you've shown to be wrong.

So again, what was spot on about the prediction?

jh79

euroboom13 wrote: »

Watch and draw your own conclusion.

I am trying to show to you the power of public awareness and its powerful effect on outcomes.

But you keep looking for direct correlation, its effects aren't explainable that way.

DamagedTrax wrote: »

you clearly didnt understand what he was getting at.

someone even suggested that he was saying the media drop off would affect the actual disease

now either some people on this thread take things WAY too literally, the intelligence levels have dropped to the point of not getting subtlety or they're being quite facetious... (i suspect the latter).

euroboom13 has somewhat suggested this

Rotunda Shill

degrassinoel

I like the image - although it belongs in another forum unless you're going to add your own input.

Back on topic - seems the first case in New York has been reported as being a doctor who had used the subway, went bowling and jogging before theinfection manifested.

The doctor, identified as Craig Spencer, 33, came back from treating Ebola patients in Guinea October 17 and developed a fever, nausea, pain and fatigue Thursday. He is in isolation and being treated at New York's Bellevue Hospital, one of the eight hospitals statewide that Gov. Andrew Cuomo designated earlier this month as part of an Ebola preparedness plan.
Spencer, who is hospitalized in intensive care, went for a jog, may have gone to a restaurant, traveled the city's vast subway system and went bowling before feeling ill, but authorities stressed that the likelihood of him spreading the virus was low.
"We want to state at the outset there is no reason for New Yorkers to be alarmed,"

Source

Torakx

If they didn't want people to be alarmed, they wouldn't tell the press.

Rotunda Shill

Torakx wrote: »

If they didn't want people to be alarmed, they wouldn't tell the press.

The mainstream media is the mouthpiece of the Whitehouse so it must be obvious that the Government wants to fear monger the masses.