Irish Times - save me your sanctimonious claptrap

Nodin

Justice Tight Juice wrote: »

Sick of that awful paper myself now, I wouldn't use the IT to wipe my back side with. You wouldn't get as large of a dose of the social Marxism/liberal mind numbing mush/utter crap cocktail if you read the Communist Manifesto, Mao's Little Red Book and a years worth of Pravda in one sitting. The IT makes me want to vomit violently with absolute disgust. Rest of what passes for mainstream Irish newspapers is only slightly better.

Are you drinking that American whole bean coffee? I hear it can rile ye up something fierce.

Aongus Von Bismarck

I like the Times. It's a fine paper trying to make a mark in a world that doesn't like long-print journalism. I've never understood why the Irish Independent is held in such contempt though. It's not a bad newspaper. Different perspective. It's very different than the Sindo. And far less successful.

conorh91

Justice Tight Juice wrote: »

Sick of that awful paper myself now, I wouldn't use the IT to wipe my back side with. You wouldn't get as large of a dose of the social Marxism/liberal mind numbing mush/utter crap cocktail if you read the Communist Manifesto, Mao's Little Red Book and a years worth of Pravda in one sitting.

I would have more respect for the IT if it were that consistent. It isn't. It meanders from populist cause to populist cause, without any stable ideological outlook.

Read back over the IT archive from 20 or 30 years ago. OK, so it might have employed journalists with some questionable and controversial opinions, but at least the paper had the backbone to further an ideological agenda of some kind.

Now, it's just feel-good fodder for unemployed mothers, ageing hipsters and the politically impotent.

Having long fallen from being the newspaper of record, many of the regional UK papers put it to shame.

Spanish Eyes

There is an agenda out there, it's being fuelled by the immigrant council or whatever their Quango name is now, funded by us, and supported by the likes of the Irish
Times.

Anyway, all media is pro immigration.

They are petrified to say anything else.

Where is the counter argument about unregulated immigration, or the length of time a bogus asylum application takes?

Mugs we are. And mugs we will be, until someone shouts stop.

Approved visa immigrants? No problem....you are helping us out.

Asylum seekers... If you are not from Nigeria, and from a war torn country, I would pay taxes to help you.

Imagine paying a Quango to help pay for bogus immigrants, and then pay for their stay here, and their multiple legal fees, and THEN, be told we are not doing enough!

Sorry, enough is enough now.

Time to get real.

Wompa1

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

There is an agenda out there, it's being fuelled by the immigrant council or whatever their Quango name is now, funded by us, and supported by the likes of the Irish
Times.

Anyway, all media is pro immigration.

They are petrified to say anything else.

Where is the counter argument about unregulated immigration, or the length of time a bogus asylum application takes?

Mugs we are. And mugs we will be, until someone shouts stop.

Approved visa immigrants? No problem....you are helping us out.

Asylum seekers... If you are not from Nigeria, and from a war torn country, I would pay taxes to help you.

Imagine paying a Quango to help pay for bogus immigrants, and then pay for their stay here, and their multiple legal fees, and THEN, be told we are not doing enough!

Sorry, enough is enough now.

Time to get real.

Certainly needs to be regulated better. In fact, I'd say the comings and going of the Irish born need to be tracked better too. I remember hearing that there's something like 8.5 million PPS

Nodin

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

There is an agenda out there, it's being fuelled by the immigrant council or whatever their Quango name is now, funded by us, and supported by the likes of the Irish
Times.

Anyway, all media is pro immigration.

They are petrified to say anything else.

Where is the counter argument about unregulated immigration, or the length of time a bogus asylum application takes?.

What "unregulated immigration"?

You know that it takes time to see whether or not an application is granted, be it rejected at the end or otherwise?

Merkin

I had my sweaty little palm hovering over the thanks button in anticipation because I thought the thread was going to be about Roisin Snorefest Ingle. Disappointing.

j80ezgvc3p92xu

Nodin wrote: »

Are you drinking that American whole bean coffee? I hear it can rile ye up something fierce.

No, I just learned a thing or two about the world and am able to think for myself. I stayed away from the IT for a few years, recently flicked through a copy and was just amazed/disgusted at how it peddles a very liberal/left-wing worldview. I mean this paper would bring a tear to Goebbels' eye just for how much propaganda it can fit in one page.

Nodin

Justice Tight Juice wrote: »

No, I just learned a thing or two about the world and am able to think for myself. I stayed away from the IT for a few years, recently flicked through a copy and was just amazed/disgusted at how it peddles a very liberal/left-wing worldview. I mean this paper would bring a tear to Goebbels' eye just for how much propaganda it can fit in one page.

Give us a few examples, other than the one in the OP.

j80ezgvc3p92xu

You're welcome.

Nodin

Justice Tight Juice wrote: »

You're welcome.

I actually meant articles you considered "propaganda" from the paper, rather than whinging shite from a known shower of chancers. You realise that Iona and co are a lobby group and that their actual business is propaganda?

j80ezgvc3p92xu

Iona or not, why won't you engage with the material for a change? The video clearly shows how the IT has a liberal agenda. You asked, I delivered.

AlekSmart

Nodin wrote: »

Give us a few examples, other than the one in the OP.

He's been called away on urgent business...but here's a couple to keep you goin till he returns...

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/social-affairs/hundreds-queue-at-dawn-for-irish-visas-1.1838085

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/social-affairs/race-equality-body-calls-for-devolution-of-asylum-and-immigration-powers-to-stormont-1.1835847

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/us/why-irish-america-shouldn-t-expect-special-treatment-on-immigration-1.1816830

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/asylum-seekers-mount-protest-at-cork-direct-provision-centre-1.1929294

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/social-affairs/young-asylum-seekers-with-scholarships-ordered-to-move-1.1912294

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/social-affairs/a-humane-approach-to-asylum-1.1931005

It's just not the same since the Major was let go......

Nodin

Justice Tight Juice wrote: »

Iona or not, why won't you engage with the material for a change? The video clearly shows how the IT has a liberal agenda. You asked, I delivered.

It's right wing guff from a shower who are big on giving it out, but are remarkably think skinned themselves. I just wanted to know what you were referring to by your remarks.

Nodin

AlekSmart wrote: »

He's been called away on urgent business...but here's a couple to keep you goin till he returns...

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/social-affairs/hundreds-queue-at-dawn-for-irish-visas-1.1838085

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/social-affairs/race-equality-body-calls-for-devolution-of-asylum-and-immigration-powers-to-stormont-1.1835847

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/us/why-irish-america-shouldn-t-expect-special-treatment-on-immigration-1.1816830

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/asylum-seekers-mount-protest-at-cork-direct-provision-centre-1.1929294

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/social-affairs/young-asylum-seekers-with-scholarships-ordered-to-move-1.1912294

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/social-affairs/a-humane-approach-to-asylum-1.1931005

It's just not the same since the Major was let go......

Why is a piece of reportage (seemingly any piece )about the asylum system "propaganda"?

AlekSmart

Nodin wrote: »

Why is a piece of reportage (seemingly any piece )about the asylum system "propaganda"?

The Carlowbrusier is back to deal with the P word...I'm just lazily point out the Liberal "Agenda",although at this point I'm not sure if the I.T. articles even get read through to their end any more.....;)

reprise

AlekSmart wrote: »

The Carlowbrusier is back to deal with the P word...I'm just lazily point out the Liberal "Agenda",although at this point I'm not sure if the I.T. articles even get read through to their end any more.....;)

A rudimentary knowledge of computer programming is all thats required to become an IT reporter now.

Assemble a database or a few arrays with a few key words like {"€19.10", "racism", "depression"} etc.

Throw in a few more with stock phrases [] {"Right to work", "make a contribution","Highly educated","Living in fear"} etc.

Write a randomiser method that throws the whole lot together - hey presto! Goodbye reporters - hello more money for the IT to spend on truly deserving causes - like myhome.ie!

Robroy36

Nodin wrote: »

I actually meant articles you considered "propaganda" from the paper, rather than whinging shite from a known shower of chancers. You realise that Iona and co are a lobby group and that their actual business is propaganda?

Are the Iona Institute currently under investigation for putting womens lives at risk?

A simple yes or no answer will suffice Nodin.

The fact of the matter is abortion, in all forms, is cold blooded premeditated murder.

If abortion is brought in I would like to see the scum on Eden Quay aborted also as I view them equally if not more "incompatible" with life than a baby who has been unfortunate enough to suffer an abnormality.

The fact that abortion is accepted by Western society does not take away from the intrinsic evil of the act, no more than the stoning of women in Afghanistan is any less abhorrent given its widespread acceptance there.

h2005

Robroy36 wrote: »

Are the Iona Institute currently under investigation for putting womens lives at risk?

A simple yes or no answer will suffice Nodin.

The fact of the matter is abortion, in all forms, is cold blooded premeditated murder.

If abortion is brought in I would like to see the scum on Eden Quay aborted also as I view them equally if not more "incompatible" with life than a baby who has been unfortunate enough to suffer an abnormality.

The fact that abortion is accepted by Western society does not take away from the intrinsic evil of the act, no more than the stoning of women in Afghanistan is any less abhorrent given its widespread acceptance there.

You're confusing fact with opinion.

Nodin

Robroy36 wrote: »

Are the Iona Institute (...........)acceptance there.

Think you're in the wrong thread or something.

Nodin

AlekSmart wrote: »

The Carlowbrusier is back to deal with the P word...I'm just lazily point out the Liberal "Agenda",although at this point I'm not sure if the I.T. articles even get read through to their end any more.....;)

So even reporting on such issues is "liberal" now? I think the fear has eroded your reason.

osarusan

The Irish Times reports on issues like immigration.

The liberal swine.

Loads of people inadvertently showing their true colours on this thread.

AlekSmart

Nodin wrote: »

So even reporting on such issues is "liberal" now? I think the fear has eroded your reason.

Repeatedly doing so is exactly that...perhaps even verging on "Ultra" liberal.....in kinda opposing similar fashion to this Iona Institute place...;)

Nodin

AlekSmart wrote: »

Repeatedly doing so is exactly that...perhaps even verging on "Ultra" liberal.....

No, it really isn't. It is annoying for some if it doesn't add the kind of close minded xenophobic narrative to suit them, but its not "ultra" liberal.

reprise

Nodin wrote: »

No, it really isn't. It is annoying for some if it doesn't add the kind of close minded xenophobic narrative to suit them, but its not "ultra" liberal.

It's annoying because it's blinkered, brainless, intellectually lazy and fundamentally dishonest.

It's the perennial puff piece, known in the trade as a filler. As per my previous post, it practically writes itself.

Truly juvenile, awful stuff.

It targets its captive audience well.

The_Captain

I make more money than people living in these refugee hovels. I don't begrudge them a bit of human diginty

Billy86

The_Captain wrote: »

I make more money than people living in these refugee hovels. I don't begrudge them a bit of human diginty

You MONSTER!!

Honestly though I think we are about 10 posts off someone using the term "lamestream media" at this point.

PopePalpatine

Robroy36 wrote: »

Are the Iona Institute currently under investigation for putting womens lives at risk?

A simple yes or no answer will suffice Nodin.

The fact of the matter is abortion, in all forms, is cold blooded premeditated murder.

If abortion is brought in I would like to see the scum on Eden Quay aborted also as I view them equally if not more "incompatible" with life than a baby who has been unfortunate enough to suffer an abnormality.

The fact that abortion is accepted by Western society does not take away from the intrinsic evil of the act, no more than the stoning of women in Afghanistan is any less abhorrent given its widespread acceptance there.

You must feel so frustrated when you drive past closed-down Magdalene concentration camps.

osarusan

PopePalpatine wrote: »

You must feel so frustrated when you drive past closed-down Magdalene concentration camps.

Things aren't like they used to be. Nobody knows their place anymore.

reprise

The_Captain wrote: »

I make more money than people living in these refugee hovels. I don't begrudge them a bit of human diginty

Shame so few refugees see the inside of these "hovels". I suspect if they could swap places with the frauds, their expectations would be more than exceeded.

The_Captain

reprise wrote: »

Shame so few refugees see the inside of these "hovels". I suspect if they could swap places with the frauds, their expectations would be more than exceeded.

Anyone who endures the poor conditions clearly has nothing better to back to so I don't see how they're frauds

Unless you genuinely think thieving immigrants are willing to live in camps for years all for the chance to work nights in a petrol shop

reprise

The_Captain wrote: »

Anyone who endures the poor conditions clearly has nothing better to back to so I don't see how they're frauds

Unless you genuinely think thieving immigrants are willing to live in camps for years all for the chance to work nights in a petrol shop

You seem confused. Those who spend years in direct provision are those who have failed to secure refugee status and are in the prolonged and tortuous stages of fighting their refusal/removal vis a vis the legal system.

If they are working in a "petrol shop", they are doing so illegally, undercutting legal workers and driving down wages.

Those granted refugee status are free to work on a par with any citizen. If they they are working in a "petrol shop", then that's nothing to do with you me or anyone else and absolutely nothing to do with direct provision.

Out of curiosity - do these workers tell you their status or is everyone foreign, working in a "petrol shop", a refugee in your opinion?

joe swanson

Newspaper of record - more like newspaper of agendas and bad journalism

The_Captain

reprise wrote: »

You seem confused. Those who spend years in direct provision are those who have failed to secure refugee status and are in the prolonged and tortuous stages of fighting their refusal/removal vis a vis the legal system.

If they are working in a "petrol shop", they are doing so illegally, undercutting legal workers and driving down wages.

Those granted refugee status are free to work on a par with any citizen. If they they are working in a "petrol shop", then that's nothing to do with you me or anyone else and absolutely nothing to do with direct provision.

Out of curiosity - do these workers tell you their status or is everyone foreign, working in a "petrol shop", a refugee in your opinion?

You're the only one confused here mate

HalloweenJack

joe swanson wrote: »

Newspaper of record - more like newspaper of agendas and bad journalism

Every paper pushes some kind of agenda and the IT is no different. I say that as a proud reader and I'm well aware that it pushes a left-wing agenda. The thing is the agenda it pushes is far more palatable to my views than those of the other Irish papers.

And the journalism in it can be crap at times but it's still streets ahead of the Indo.

j80ezgvc3p92xu

HalloweenJack wrote: »

Every paper pushes some kind of agenda and the IT is no different. I say that as a proud reader and I'm well aware that it pushes a left-wing agenda. The thing is the agenda it pushes is far more palatable to my views than those of the other Irish papers.

And the journalism in it can be crap at times but it's still streets ahead of the Indo.

Wait, if you know that it is brainwashing you with left wing garbage why do you continue reading it? That is like someone saying yeah I enjoy drinking this cup of arsenic even though I know it is going to kill me.

PopePalpatine

Perhaps he thinks it's the "least worst" news source in Ireland. Given your posting history, anything to the left of "Alive!" is "EVIL GODLESS LIBRUL AJINDA!!11!1" to you.

nelly17

I wonder is it a common occurance that Austerity sees an increase in people leaning to the right

PopePalpatine

nelly17 wrote: »

I wonder is it a common occurance that Austerity sees an increase in people leaning to the right

I wouldn't think so, if that were the case then perhaps there'd be an "Irish National Party" or "Emerald Dawn" on the rise here. It's more likely that it sees increased support for both the far-left and the far-right.

BoJack Horseman

PopePalpatine wrote: »

I wouldn't think so, if that were the case then perhaps there'd be an "Irish National Party" or "Emerald Dawn" on the rise here. It's more likely that it sees increased support for both the far-left and the far-right.

Those parties exist.
But they are on the fringe of the fringe.... (Thank the gods).

crockholm

PopePalpatine wrote: »

I wouldn't think so, if that were the case then perhaps there'd be an "Irish National Party" or "Emerald Dawn" on the rise here. It's more likely that it sees increased support for both the far-left and the far-right.

You seem confused- You use 2 ficticious hard right/fascist parties to claim that the right isn't gaining support,and then finish up by saying that the far right is increasing support.

Perhaps you should research what "Right-Wing" means,otherwise you may be at risk of coming across as a blistering idiot, which I am sure you are not,even though you might need to practice the spelling of "Liberal agenda" for an hour or two for a week. Try your best to keep between the lines;)

reprise

The_Captain wrote: »

You're the only one confused here mate

ROFL.

You were even "thanked" for that searing contribution.

Bless.

osarusan

crockholm wrote: »

a blistering idiot

Whats that?

crockholm

osarusan wrote: »

Whats that?

A milder substitution for the Word "blustering",I don't wish to be too offensive.;).

j80ezgvc3p92xu

PopePalpatine wrote: »

Perhaps he thinks it's the "least worst" news source in Ireland. Given your posting history, anything to the left of "Alive!" is "EVIL GODLESS LIBRUL AJINDA!!11!1" to you.

Ok well enjoy reading your left-wing "sanctimonious claptrap" all the way to the Gulag (: My posting history? Half the time I am in the wrestling or legal forums, did not know that there was something innately fascist about suplexing someone through a table or examining the state of the Irish legal system?

RDM_83 again

HalloweenJack wrote: »

Every paper pushes some kind of agenda and the IT is no different. I say that as a proud reader and I'm well aware that it pushes a left-wing agenda. The thing is the agenda it pushes is far more palatable to my views than those of the other Irish papers.

And the journalism in it can be crap at times but it's still streets ahead of the Indo.

Thats very true, its the idea that the IT doesn't have an agenda is whats the problem, I get the feeling its going the way of the Guardian with more less 'real' journalism and more opinion pieces and more blatant taking a side consistently on an issue rather than having a point counter point style of editing, these two are the only news websites I will check consistently everyday so they provide the majority of my current affairs information but the biases are painfully obvious sometimes.

PopePalpatine

Justice Tight Juice wrote: »

Ok well enjoy reading your left-wing "sanctimonious claptrap" all the way to the Gulag (: My posting history? Half the time I am in the wrestling or legal forums, did not know that there was something innately fascist about suplexing someone through a table or examining the state of the Irish legal system?

You seem to have a strange fixation with Freemasons for starters.

Benny_Cake

RDM_83 again wrote: »

Thats very true, its the idea that the IT doesn't have an agenda is whats the problem, I get the feeling its going the way of the Guardian with more less 'real' journalism and more opinion pieces and more blatant taking a side consistently on an issue rather than having a point counter point style of editing, these two are the only news websites I will check consistently everyday so they provide the majority of my current affairs information but the biases are painfully obvious sometimes.

You'll probably see more opinion pieces in newspapers in the coming years as people are inclined to get their "breaking news" online but might be willing to pay a subscription/buy a paper to access good, well written opinion pieces or investigative journalism. The Irish Times is the best of the bunch in this country anyway.Although there has been some rubbish starting to creep in lately.

j80ezgvc3p92xu

PopePalpatine wrote: »

You seem to have a strange fixation with Freemasons for starters.

Not to be going tit-for-tat here but you have a huge anti-religious slant in most of your posts. If I got a penny for every time you referenced "Magdalene concentration camps" I would be a rich man indeed.

Nodin

Justice Tight Juice wrote: »

Not to be going tit-for-tat here but you have a huge anti-religious slant in most of your posts. If I got a penny for every time you referenced "Magdalene concentration camps" I would be a rich man indeed.

yeah, but there were Magdalene homes and religion does cause problems betimes. Now Freemasons......