Marvel Cinematic Universe general stuff

flazio

Does anyone know if that reboot of the X-Men cartoon is still going ahead?

pjohnson

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120771281#Comment_120771281

The cast are currently working on the second season. Think the first is set fo release this winter.

Loughc

Is anyone else watching secret invasion? I’m really enjoying it. The mcu is at its best when it’s at its simplistic.

Penn

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120785118#Comment_120785118

It's okay. Verging into being really good at times, particularly when Nick Fury is given the time to sit down and talk to others. His conversations with Sonya, Talos on the train and Rhodey were all terrific and have been the highlights so far.

The show has promise, but also like other MCU shows it has the potential to turn into a needless CGI-fest conclusion. If they can keep it more spy-thriller-can'ttrustanyone for as long as possible, it could be one of the best shows they've done.

pixelburp

The Jonathan Majors problem refusing to disappear: this time via a Rolling Stone investigation into Majors' past relationships; accusations Majors still denies through his representation. At some point Disney might want to pull the trigger here.

During this three-month investigation, Rolling Stone spoke with more than 40 people who have known Majors during his time in graduate school, his Hollywood career, and his romantic relationships. Many describe Majors as being a complicated, unpredictable, and sometimes violent man, who can switch from charming to cold in a flash. (All of the sources for this article requested anonymity, citing fear of career repercussions and personal retribution from Majors. Some claim they were prohibited from speaking. “My only response can be that I am silenced by an NDA he had me sign,” says one person who worked with Majors.) 

Their stories suggest a pattern of alleged physical, mental, and emotional abuse that dates back a decade to Majors’ time at Yale’s David Geffen School of Drama — where he was involved in physical altercations — and continued to the sets of his movies and TV shows, where production members raised concerns over his treatment of crew. 

https://www.rollingstone.com/tv-movies/tv-movie-features/jonathan-majors-abuse-allegations-yale-1234781136/

pixelburp

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120785883#Comment_120785883

I've only seen the first episode but I wasn't impressed; maybe it's cos I found what seemed suspiciously like London doubling up as Moscow constantly distracting lol 😂 but something about the execution didn't gel with me. If you took a shot ever time someone opined Fury had "changed", you'd poison your liver in minutes. Yet at no point did the episode show any difference, just Jackson kinda ambling around the scenes.

Sudden Valley

Secret invasion seems a very odd show. The timing of it doesn't help it being set in Russia but also the Americans come out as very unlikeable, being annoyed at being questioned on a terrorist attack with of their agents present.

Also is Emilia Clarke ill ? she looks quite unwell I don't think that is a deliberate character choice.

Drumpot

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120787733#Comment_120787733

Sounds like creed 3 was the perfect role for him

pixelburp

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120787744#Comment_120787744

Might have to do with how she had those 2 brain aneurysms? No idea if that'd affect ones appearance but I did also notice now gaunt and unwell she looked.

pjohnson

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120788008#Comment_120788008

The last one was about a decade ago so doubt it'd be connected to the recent change.

Spon Farmer

Why is Don Cheadle complaining that he isn’t in the Blank Panther movies?

It doesn’t seem to be about a pay check but his comments don’t include his reasons why he should be in the films.

Mitch Connor

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120787744#Comment_120787744

Yeah, Rhoades in front of that commitee seemed very odd. Almost like he was trying to antagonize them. Almost like he wasn't himself. If it doesn't turn out that he is a Skrull... his character was acting very oddly.

kerplun k

Enjoying Secret invasion so far. Apart from it looking a bit cheap, the story is decent and well acted. I’m convinced it’s gonna end with Fury finding tech that can identify Skrulls, he puts on a pair of glasses and boom, Skrulls f**king everywhere.

Mitch Connor

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120798565#Comment_120798565

SPACE MUTANTS!

flazio

Enough is enough, I've had it with these Monkey Fighting Skrulls on this Monday to Friday plane. Now Where. Is. My. Super. Suit???😋

silverharp

this artwork was getting a bit of ridicule

https://twitter.com/hollywoodhandle/status/1675324772861763589

Mitch Connor

that.... can't be official? That is TERRIBLE.

Even to the point of - why are 2 of them posing and the other is walking towards the 'camera'.

pixelburp

Not even remotely the worst Hollywood poster I've seen in the last 20-30 years. In fact they're generally so terrible across the board, am not seeing anything especially unique here that separates it from the baseline?

Hollywood posters and promotional art hasn't been "good" since ... ... uhhhh, I dunno; I suppose the era of custom art-work?

Penn

Yeah it's about as bland as most other promo posters. I don't think it's supposed to convey any kind of consistency in their poses, it's just "Here's the three leads".

In fairness though, the earlier poster for it was actually pretty great

To be honest my biggest issue is the clearer look at Ms.Marvel's new outfit. It's just completely over-designed and didn't need to be changed from her TV show. Cap.Marvel's outfit in comparison looks great though. Photon.... I'm a bit ambivalent on. Verging on over-designed, but the colours are simplistic enough that it gets away with it.

pixelburp

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120802987#Comment_120802987

I keep seeing Spider-Man (Woman) when I look at Photon's costume TBH; the lines along her legs and torso kinda give off that Spidey vibe?

But yeah just don't see why it'd deserve more ridicule than the usual "character's posing" style of modern digital promotion?

johnny_ultimate

TBH it doesn’t even look like a poster to me, just looks like a random social media asset?

silverharp

this is where I saw it originally , links to an article from The Direct, whoever they are- but their twitter account has 1.3m

https://twitter.com/MCU_Direct/status/1675574685600296962

seems to be a variant of it selling pens (why its tagged with sensitive lord knows)

https://twitter.com/sydliz_/status/1669913294180610054

Penn

It's almost definitely from Marvel, but just that it's more of a promotional image than actual "film poster". It does look slightly better with Cap.Marvel in the middle from those above images though. More centered and grouped, the two behind in more action poses while CM just standing/walking. Though heights/waist level is still off.

But yeah, it's something just thrown together as promotional material, maybe film standees, rather than an actual film poster I'd say.

flazio

We'll have to wait and see if perhaps there's an in story reason for Kamala's new costume. She is seen wearing her (perfect) TV show version in the trailer and she was wearing it in a cruise ship interactive dinner video.

Interesting that in the first photo Kamala is placed centre with Monica and Carol flanking her.

kerplun k

Poster aside, the trailer was excellent.

Loughc

Are people really complaining about a movie poster? 🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️

johnny_ultimate

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120806161#Comment_120806161

Worse: it’s not even a poster 😝

pixelburp

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120806161#Comment_120806161

Methinks anything and everything will be used against this movie before and after it comes out. I'll leave you to figure out why.

silverharp

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120806821#Comment_120806821

go on, why?

flazio

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120806836#Comment_120806836

Brie Larson is perceived to be Amber Heard's best friend or something like that, or at the very least, is willing to treat her humanely.

Plus you have a black woman on one side and a Muslim daughter of immigrants on the other.

Now for the record, I personally don't have any problem with any of those ladies, I'm quite excited to see what Iman Vellani brings, Ms Marvel was an excellent fun series. Still need to see a bit more of Monica Rambeau to make my mind about her, and like with Jodie Whitaker's stint as The Doctor on Doctor Who, the problem wasn't Brie Larson, the problem was the writing.

pixelburp

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120806846#Comment_120806846

Larson was a figure of hate before the Amber Heard stuff too, basically a totem for online agitation of the ilk that has become typical with female led pop culture. I don't especially like Larson myself and think she's a charisma vacuum and a bit "Hollywood" of the type South Park love to attack; but I'm not surprised Cpt Marvel 2 is attracting the same bad energy online. The last time was bad enough Rotten Tomatoes had to change its logic!

Penn

It was well known and extensively reported that Brie Larson and the CM movie were being targeted by review bombers and the usual harassment, largely due to comments Larson made about the lack of diversity in Marvel (not just in front of the camera but behind the camera) and the media, press junkets etc. I mean let's face it, it was the 20th Marvel movie before a female superhero was even named in the title of a movie (Ant-Man and The Wasp), and even then it was a sequel to Ant-Man and predominantly about Ant-Man, even though historically it's The Wasp who is one of the founding members of The Avengers. It was the 21st Marvel movie before there was just a solo female superhero Marvel movie. Then you had people complaining about the original posters and trailers for Captain Marvel saying she didn't smile enough, leading Larson to post images of other Marvel posters but with fake smiles on the male superheroes, which again riled up the moaners.

Now obviously, Marvel has never really had a Wonder Woman type of character who is so well known, and the rest of the Marvel films had a lot of brilliant female characters/heroes, but it doesn't really negate the point either.

Not trying to take the thread down that sort of rabbithole, but nobody who has been paying attention the what's been going on with the Marvel movies for the past 5-6 years can claim ignorance about the lies and hate being directed at Brie Larson and Captain Marvel due to Internet trolls dislike of Brie Larson, people who try claiming Captain Marvel bombed (made over 1bn) or was the worst Marvel movie (not a great Marvel movie, but nowhere near the worst either).

So yeah, a sequel, which now also stars a black female hero and a Muslim female hero, and a mixed-race female antagonist... the trolls will definitely be out in force.

silverharp

the studio doesnt have faith in Larson , they are not making Captain Marvel 2 , so they already gave her a demotion, plus this film has problems , it tested poorly and they had to do reshoots either in late 22 or early 23 hence the film being put back and was probably caught up in the VFX delays, the film doesnt inspire confidence. Wonder Woman doesnt get this grief so its not about female leads, it could be that writers cant write good female leads unless they have a solid lore they know they cant deviate from

Penn

Do you think when DC made Batman V Superman it was because they didn't have faith in Cavill, hence why they didn't just make it Man Of Steel 2?

Captain America Civil War featured half the Marvel cast, but it was still called Captain America because the story was ultimately still a Captain America story. Thor Ragnarok was a buddy comedy with Hulk but it was still called Thor because the central story was still mostly about Thor.

The Marvels is so called because it's likely to be a film about the 3 main characters, but not about one in particular. It's designed to be a team-up movie. That doesn't mean they've lost faith in Brie Larson.

Not saying the film hasn't had its problems. Hell most of the Marvel movies over the last few years have. They reshot an entirely new ending to Quantumania about a month before release if I remember right. Doesn't mean they've lost faith in Paul Rudd though (not to mention his sequel was Ant-Man and The Wasp instead of Ant-Man 2).

pixelburp

I believe nearly every latter-day MCU has had reshoots; the term has lost all meaning 'cos it's just part of the somewhat ad-hoc nature of MCU production. When everything's green screen it's relatively trivial to just tweak or amend. But of course you'll have outlets latching onto this as indicative of some discontent in the studio, because "X has reshoots" has historically meant something more reactionary or panic-based.

Maybe silverharp you should step back and watch some movies; you seem quite focused on box office (under)performance, bombs and general negative reaction to blockbusters. Go watch Paddington 2 or something, think you need to enjoy a good movie or two 🤣

Doctor DooM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120803067#Comment_120803067

You mean the Julia Carpenter one? The one Venom is based off? Because I can see it

Penn

"Reshoots" has definitely become somewhat of a dirty word given some huge films which have had significant production trouble (not just Marvel, but DC and even Star Wars, especially Rogue One). Oftentimes reshoots are just a case where in editing they decide a scene is too long or isn't needed, but there's a key bit of info in it so they need to slot it into another scene instead. Or they think a bit of info is required earlier/later etc.

I think a big part of why The Marvels was delayed was as much down to CGI/VFX than anything. Especially after Quantumania which looked awful. I think they realised they needed to give more time to the visuals, and with other films like Blade being pushed back anyway it was best to delay The Marvels.

It could be that the movie ends up bombing. Absolutely wouldn't surprise me. Again, Marvel as a whole have been struggling with issues which go far deeper than "people don't like Brie Larson". So even if the film bombs, doesn't mean it's Larson's fault or Marvel have lost faith in her. It's far too early to judge something like that, but even then there is an inherent bias against Larson which has percolated through the Internet over the years because of comments she's made about lack of diversity, pro-feminism etc which has made her a target regardless of her (oscar-winning) acting ability.

johnny_ultimate

It's impossible to deny that there's a angry-YouTube-man driven irrational hatred against Brie Larson and anything she's involved with - like weirdo creeps making dozens if not hundreds of videos giving out about every single thing she does.

I have no idea whether the film will be good - I'm cautiously intrigued since Nia DaCosta is directing and she's been admirably frank about how she perceives the MCU. I liked Ms Marvel and didn't like Captain Marvel. But yes, no doubt this film will be receiving particular ire from a particular very online subset, regardless of final quality.

silverharp

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120807268#Comment_120807268

ah here, dont be trying to shame posters on this forum , you think movies exist outside of financials?, as such its just a gauge of how many people are prepared to part with their cash. Surely its an interesting topic as it will determine how many of a particular type of film you would expect to see in the future

The White Wolf

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120807221#Comment_120807221

It was reported WB weren't satisfied enough with Man of Steel in order to greenlight a direct sequel, so that's where the shitstorm for them really began. BvS wasn't the original plan to come so soon after MoS. That's not necessarily down to Cavill, but there's enough there to believe they weren't confident in him.

In comparison Marvel had no reason to not be confident in Larson leading a direct sequel given how much the first made, but I can't blame them for taking the safe bet with an ensemble piece. Generally I think the less there is of direct sequels the better.

Doctor DooM

We pretty much know for a fact WB lost faith in Schneider, not Cavill. They started interfering (and I think we can all agree, made everything even worse) from the second MoS didn't bring in a billion. Like this is just reality, they changed his plans on him, found a way to get him off Justice League and as the head of the DC films without publicly firing him, this is a thing that happened.

Whereas with Marvel, they've clearly learned the magic sauce is the team up. The name is a nod to the fact that 2 of the 3 characters have been called Captain Marvel at one point and 2 of them have been called Ms. Marvel at one point. That's pretty obvious, no? Captain Marvel made a billion, they're not invested in any one director the same way, this is a completely different situation.

Drumpot

Are comicbook fans more men/boys than woman? Honestly, I don’t know, I’d be asking the same about Star Wars aswell.

I ask because is the issue (with shoehorning woman into leading roles) simply that target audiences (mainly men) aren’t interested in seeing these characters for the sake of diversity? Or is there an equal split of fans and the female characters (and movies) just aren’t able to reach the male character levels of interest? I mean men only having interest in male role models is ok. They don’t have to like and support female role models because diversity.

For all the talk of trolls and online negative stuff , there still is a serious lack of quality female lead roles/movies. And referring back to my first point, if the majority of the fanbase and movie goers are male, then part of the issue is trying to force men to simply enjoy watching female leads, cause diversity.

This is an issue I have with franchises in particular. Let’s change something cause diversity. Not invent something new and better so the diversity element doesn’t stick out like a sore thumb. And a lot of the times the shoehorning is done poorly.

Did Finn stick out in the new Star Wars? Not really, and I think there were more female characters aswell. But they lesbian kiss was totally out of sync with the movies. In the originals and prequels there was only kisses between han/leia/Luke and a anakin/padme , cause that’s all that was needed. Shoe horning in diversity stuff simply to shoehorn it in is annoying because it adds nothing to the movies and sticks out like bad dialogue.

I have no issue with woman superhero’s or diversity stuff, it’s just there are times when it’s done very poorly and doesn’t do much for the cause it’s trying to promote.

pjohnson

The nonsense about trolls being to blame for Captain Marvels/Larson's woes never stood up to scrutiny. A minority of inbreds certainly do contribute on that negative side but their influence is dramatically overexagerated but the first movie just wasn't that great.

I think Vellani should break out in a big way from The Marvels. Let her/Kamala be the focus. Her show was definitely a very bright spot in the very murky post-Endgame MCU.

pixelburp

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120807504#Comment_120807504

No shaming, just a quiet tease that your posts have trended towards a degree of "so this is also failing" which has made threads a bit of a succession of negativity; but by all accounts there's "something" going on in cinemas but it'd be a thread in of itself to speculate on the why; certainly Tom Cruise's efforts alone aren't getting people into the cinemas en masse, and it could be as simple that runaway budgets need to stop. Can't be a flop if your blockbuster costed $50 million (hello to Jason Blum). While Superhero Fatigue as it's called doesn't seem so certain with Across the Spider-Verse tearing it up.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120808372#Comment_120808372

If there's any overlap with video games, then it's about 50/50 these days; recent stats came out to show video console ownership and playing is about half and half - while in the case of the Nintendo Switch, majority owners are women. Similar studies show many to most women play anonymously or without announcing their gender because invariably it attracts abuse and harassment.

I think the issue is simpler than that: the internet is an echo chamber, and thanks to how human beings invariably slow up to watch a car crash ... negativity and toxicity gets overblown and overexposed. From critical drinkers to GB News to the Daily Mail: angry bias tends to get attention cos it's loud, vulgar and invites an emotive response and reaction. Twitter, YouTube and social media in general has basically solidified this a business model.

Most people don't care about Woke in my experience in the real world (I've said before many people I've spoken IRL to had literally never heard the word before, or understood it's meaning when it was explained), and certainly wouldn't chart their media consumption based on whether a superhero was deaf, or a woman or whatnot. At worst you'll get apathy, at best it's open support for a bit of diversity and inclusion even if it's for its own sake. Those who cry and wail and go down the Mary Sue rabbit-hole don't make the majority

But as always in our species: a noisy minority make things a bit shít for the majority.

Drumpot

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120808570#Comment_120808570

I don’t get the Mary sue thing, there’s far more male Mary sues then female ones.

But there is equally an extreme element on the other side. The ones who try to shame anybody who doesn’t share their exact views on diversity.

I’ve no issue with whatever diversity stuff that they throw into tv/movies once it’s done well or relatively neutral. When it’s done lazily and sticks out, it’s annoying , like sh*te dialogue or a poor set piece. I think some people can (or intentionally) confuse pointing this out with those who have issues with the inclusion of diverse stories/characters.

Penn

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120809001#Comment_120809001

My only compaint about Captain Marvel in that regard was the use of 'Just a girl' by No Doubt. That was just nonsense.

Drumpot

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120809051#Comment_120809051

I just thought the movie was very vanilla , like pretty much most marvel stuff for sometime.

My favourite bit of the movie was reminding me of the quality song from Garbage “Im only happy when it rains”. Class song.

silverharp

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120808570#Comment_120808570

what you see as negativity , can be just seen as constructive advice. If they were criticising wildly financial successful and creative content you would have a point and it would just be sour grapes but broadly speaking the films in question ends up failing commercially and are forgetable

Disney is on track to lose over a billion dollars on the films they have put out this year, there are going to be consequences, Disney cant just let that slide

Penn

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120809094#Comment_120809094

Oh the film was definitely lower tier, and has probably only ended up being considered mid-tier now given some of the fairly awful Phase 4 films. It also suffered a bit because it was the lead-in to Endgame and both CM and Ant-Man & The Wasp just felt a bit 'bleh' sandwiched between Infinity War & Endgame. But in terms of the whole diversity & inclusion debate, that song just stood out like a sore thumb

pixelburp

Captain Marvel was a good idea, poorly implemented; not least in proposing an amnesia plotline at the start that got solved within the first 10 minutes of the film. And Larson just doesn't have the charisma, or range, to portray what I think this character was supposed to be. But then it was all so forgettable I'm struggling to even recall the thoughts I had at the time.

And yeah, the use of "Just a girl" was so bloody stupid it could only have come from the minds of a corporation trying too hard.