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I suspect they will

It wouldn’t be uncommon for up to a couple of years to pass in order to produce a film

It could air immediately after BCS finishes

Bring on the Gene and Jesse show

rubadub

cliggg wrote: »

A Breaking Bad movie is in the works, it will be a sequel for Jesse.

I don't this has been confirmed. When I heard of it my first guess was Jesse being kidnapped, but I have seen nothing to confirm it. Lots of sites are quoting this site.

https://www.slashfilm.com/breaking-bad-movie-jesse-pinkman/

Last night, we learned that series creator Vince Gilligan was writing and executive producing a Breaking Bad movie, although it is unknown if he will also direct. It was also suggested that this will be a television movie, as it is being make through Gilligan’s deal with Sony TV, who produced the original show (which aired on AMC). There was even the briefest of brief loglines: the movie would “[track] the escape of a kidnapped man and his quest for freedom.”

And yes, Breaking Bad fans, you put two and two together correctly: we have confirmed that the kidnapped man is Jesse Pinkman and the movie will follow his escape from Albuquerque following the bloody events of the series finale. Naturally, Aaron Paul is set to reprise the role, which won him three Emmy awards for Best Supporting Actor in a Drama Series.

Never says how they confirmed it

is this site known to be trustworthy? seems they might be making a likely guess and get their name out as the ones who broke the news. Wouldn't surprise me if Vince set out to sting such a site!

even the wiki page quotes them
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Breaking_Bad#Film

In November 2018, it was announced a stand-alone feature film set in the Breaking Bad universe, written by Vince Gilligan, would begin production in November 2018 in New Mexico, and it will "follow the escape of a kidnapped man and his quest for freedom".[7] According to /Film, it will be a sequel and feature Aaron Paul reprising his role as Jesse Pinkman after the events of the series.[171]

https://news.avclub.com/the-breaking-bad-movie-will-supposedly-be-a-direct-sequ-1830291295

Meanwhile, Bryan Cranston himself has offered his own thoughts on the movie, telling The Dan Patrick Show (via Birth. Movies. Death.) that he hasn’t read a script for the Breaking Bad movie and that he has no idea if there’s a place for Walter White in it. He does cautiously admit that he believes the movie is about “a couple of the characters” who did not really finish “their journey,” which seems to back up the Jesse Pinkman idea, but that’s all he’d say. It’s worth repeating, though, that Walt definitely did die in the finale, so bringing him in would require either ghosts/hallucinations or flashback shenanigans—neither of which would be totally unheard of.

Autecher

rubadub wrote: »

I don't this has been confirmed. When I heard of it my first guess was Jesse being kidnapped, but I have seen nothing to confirm it. Lots of sites are quoting this site.

https://www.slashfilm.com/breaking-bad-movie-jesse-pinkman/


Never says how they confirmed it

is this site known to be trustworthy? seems they might be making a likely guess and get their name out as the ones who broke the news. Wouldn't surprise me if Vince set out to sting such a site!

even the wiki page quotes them
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Breaking_Bad#Film



https://news.avclub.com/the-breaking-bad-movie-will-supposedly-be-a-direct-sequ-1830291295

It's been confirmed by Cranston in that radio interview he did, he hasn't seen the script but has talked to Vince about it.
"There's a question of whether we would even see Walter White in this movie," Cranston told radio host Dan Patrick.

"If Vince Gilligan asked me to do it, sure, absolutely. He's a genius and it's a great story and there's a lot of people who felt that they wanted to see some kind of completion to some of these storylines that were left open.
"This idea, from what I am told, gets into those — at least a couple of the characters who were not completed as far as their journey [is concerned]."



They are going to start shooting mid November under the production name of Greenbrier which may have no meaning at all but I googled it and found this place

http://www.greenbrier.com/ which has golf courses, restaurants, casinos and .... an underground bunker.

As I say it could mean nothing but the nerd in me is getting carried away. :P

rubadub

cliggg wrote: »

It's been confirmed by Cranston in that radio interview he did,

I am talking about confirmation it is about Jesse, I know he confirmed the film is real, no question of that, but did Cranston confirm Jesse/Aaron is in it?

As I said I think it is highly likely but just wondering if that website are spoofers.

Autecher

rubadub wrote: »

I am talking about confirmation it is about Jesse, I know he confirmed the film is real, no question of that, but did Cranston confirm Jesse/Aaron is in it?

As I said I think it is highly likely but just wondering if that website are spoofers.

Ah I get what you mean. No I haven't read of any actual source confirming it's Jesse. It could just be people putting 2 + 2 together and hoping they are right.

Bigus

Always the very best with just the right amount of dirty

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0yr-KJWLTUU

NickNickleby

Bigus wrote: »

Always the very best with just the right amount of dirty

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0yr-KJWLTUU

See, THIS is exactly why I'm conflicted.

Even though we know him (this scene being one of many indicative of his moral fibre), and with the reinforcing in the final scene in the last episode of BCS, I still can't help seeing him as lost little Jimmy, wanting to do it right and be a success.

My hope is that Gene will emerge as the Jimmy I want to see.

Given my track record (my recent posts on the fate of the German's) of anticipating Gilligan's plans, this may be a lost cause!

But this is exactly what keeps me watching, folks!

Still haven't returned to BB yet, afraid to get too immersed all over again.

Lastly, on the mooted BB film. Somewhere in this thread is a post from me, in which I talk about a dinner conversation about BB. When I said to the family "do you know what? it wouldn't surprise me if Walter White isn't dead", to which my daughter replied "thanks for the spoiler , Dad". Gulp!

Ah, just another of my hostages to fate fortune *!!!

edit: dammit, get it right, FIRST TIME, Nick.

Tony EH

cliggg wrote: »

A Breaking Bad movie is in the works, it will be a sequel for Jesse. Vince Gilligan is behind it. Production starts this month according to the articles, maybe they should finish BCS before they start the next thing??

https://news.avclub.com/vince-gilligan-straps-on-gas-mask-sets-to-work-on-brea-1830280163
https://news.avclub.com/the-breaking-bad-movie-will-supposedly-be-a-direct-sequ-1830291295

Can't say I'd be too interested in that. Jessie was the most annoying thing about BB for me. Don't think I'd want to sit through him wigger talking his way through 2 hours.

'Breaking Bad' was about Walter. I've no interest for it without him in it. Sure, 'Better Call Saul' doesn't have Walt in it. But, Jimmy McGill has personality in spades. Something that Jesse Pinkman doesn't.

seligehgit

NickNickleby wrote: »

See, THIS is exactly why I'm conflicted.

Even though we know him (this scene being one of many indicative of his moral fibre), and with the reinforcing in the final scene in the last episode of BCS, I still can't help seeing him as lost little Jimmy, wanting to do it right and be a success.

My hope is that Gene will emerge as the Jimmy I want to see.

Given my track record (my recent posts on the fate of the German's) of anticipating Gilligan's plans, this may be a lost cause!

But this is exactly what keeps me watching, folks!

Still haven't returned to BB yet, afraid to get too immersed all over again.

Lastly, on the mooted BB film. Somewhere in this thread is a post from me, in which I talk about a dinner conversation about BB. When I said to the family "do you know what? it wouldn't surprise me if Walter White isn't dead", to which my daughter replied "thanks for the spoiler , Dad". Gulp!

Ah, just another of my hostages to fate fortune *!!!

edit: dammit, get it right, FIRST TIME, Nick.

TBH I'd have little interest in Gene going forward.I'd imagine it would be quite boring.

It would be nice to imagine Gene as the lost little Jimmy but I loved Saul in Breaking Bad.

NickNickleby

seligehgit wrote: »

TBH I'd have little interest in Gene going forward.I'd imagine it would be quite boring.

It would be nice to imagine Gene as the lost little Jimmy but I loved Saul in Breaking Bad.

I agree, its hard to imagine Gene as interesting, but I'd like a rosy outcome for Jimmy. It could be tacked on to the end of BCS, though timelines between BB and BCS would probably make that awkward. Thank God for 'flash forwards' - Gene gets married, is happy with life, gets promotion in Cinnabon, and has two little children. Saul and Saulette, no, no, Jeremy and Jermima.
Ahhhh, its all good, man!

MEGA BRO WOLF 5000

All the negative speculation about this new movie or the end to BCS is laughable.

Has Vince Gilligan given anyone any reason to think so negatively?

No.

gormdubhgorm

Tony EH wrote: »

Can't say I'd be too interested in that. Jessie was the most annoying thing about BB for me. Don't think I'd want to sit through him wigger talking his way through 2 hours.

'Breaking Bad' was about Walter. I've no interest for it without him in it. Sure, 'Better Call Saul' doesn't have Walt in it. But, Jimmy McGill has personality in spades. Something that Jesse Pinkman doesn't.

I am the completely opposite way of thinking.
The Jesse character was layered and at the same time also added much needed humour to the show.
But I do think any Breaking Bad film will be just a cash cow to attract fans of BCS / BB.
They would not have to put too much work on it to cash in.

NickNickleby

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

I am the completely opposite way of thinking.
The Jesse character was layered and at the same time also added much needed humour to the show.
But I do think any Breaking Bad film will be just a cash cow to attract fans of BCS / BB.
They would not have to put too much work on it to cash in.

"....a ROBOT,yeah!"

On top of that, I thought that Jesse was vital as a character to get Walter established in the game anyway, and added to that, he kept Walt alive when Gus was ready to get rid of him.

I did start to tire of him around the time Hank nailed him, he seemed very one dimensional - all weepy and forlorn,almost to the last scene. But... thinking about it again recently, perhaps that's how a real Jesse (no pun intended) would behave given his situation. Bad, getting worse.

I went to see Dune the movie after reading the books some years previously. What a let down!! Hope the same won't happen to BB.

scamalert

so much talk even after season finished, i somehow expected one final episode to close it down, maybe kim leaving him or moving away in some realization that jimmy was always like chuck said, would been enough.


as for movie first time reading or hearing this but Jessie was that tipping point that made show fun, with entire misery it had, as initially Gilligan said script was made that Jessie would be killed on the first episode, not sure how that would turned show. as personally for me theres no point in going back to later seasons as they all are gore and boring as pace is just killing characters till the end.



his personality was great up to season 2 end until rv got crushed. think afterwards writers couldn't write anything major for his roles, but he was still strong in many scences covering with mike, and fights with walter.


someone made really great point in bcs but think it applies in BB as well that entire show is just complete misery no ones ever happy.


i know its not fair comparison but after so many years turning on Sopranos just random episode you see something new and its not linear show, making it fun watch to comeback to from time to time.
With BB after first 2 seasons theres no episode where you can hold interest as its basically full speed scripted. Its once you seen you basically know entire show thats not offering much, besides first impressions that it left.

rubadub

scamalert wrote: »

Gilligan said script was made that Jessie would be killed on the first episode, not sure how that would turned show.

It was season 1, (which you probably meant).

I heard that before but this has more detail in number 2
https://www.indiewire.com/2013/10/breaking-bad-alternatives-vince-gilligan-considered-killing-3-main-characters-says-one-makes-it-to-freedom-93090/

The convivial Vince Gillian is always eager to speak on any subject on the show and in yesterday’s “Breaking Bad” Insider podcast, he gave up a couple of fascinating what-if nuggets. Combined with the various interviews out there, and some of the various questions audience members have, we decided to collate seven factoids you might find pretty interesting to say the least. Oh, and it if it isn’t obvious already, spoilers abound so buyer beware.

1. One scenario had the writers killing off Skyler.
An early scenario Gilligan pitched was Skyler (Anna Gunn) committing suicide while on the run with Walter. It would have taken place right around “Granite State” when Walter is relocated to New Hampshire.

“I was leaning towards [this idea] and the other writers were like, ‘that’s a bridge too far, let’s not’ and they were right,” Gilligan said on the podcast. “I think that would have been unnecessary. I was thinking along those lines. At some point I was thinking she went with [Walter and] the Disappearer [Robert Forster’s character]—and we talked about every option under the sun, every permutation, every possibility. And one of them was Skyler leaves with Walt and the Disappearer. We could kind of see where Skyler would go, if she was zombified, after she knew of Hank’s demise.”

The reason they dropped these ideas was that they could never see Walter Jr. being a party to running away after the revelations of what Walter had done. “We could never figure out how to get Junior to go along because Junior… there’s no bringing him if he doesn’t want to go.”

“We talked about a possible version where Skyler and Walt are tied up at a Motel 6 kind of place and he’s talking to her in a bathroom saying, ‘It’s going to be alright… I’ve got a plan. Skyler? Skyler?’ And he finally forces the door open and she’s in a bloody tub or something like that.”

2. What Gilligan calls the “bad pitch” or the worst one ever that made studio execs groan with distaste. It included the death of Jesse Pinkman.
One of Gilligan’s early ideas before the pilot was that Jesse Pinkman (Aaron Paul) would get killed in season one. Walt, so filled with rage with the drug dealer responsible, would go out for revenge. Walter would lock him up in a basement, torture him every day, removing his toes one-by-one and cauterizing the wound with a blowtorch so he wouldn’t bleed out. Walter would give the drug lord a way out—a trip-wire connected to a shotgun pointed at him would finally give him relief from the pain. But the drug lord, being so bad-ass, would never take that option out. This would continue for weeks until Walter Jr. would discover him and try to help. The drug lord, realizing this was Walter’s son, would pull the tripwire, killing them both.

Gilligan said he pitched this idea to the studio execs and everyone was like, “Eww, you are seriously ****ed up.” “You’ll notice we never actually did that scene,” Gilligan said and he noted throughout the podcast that his m.o. was coming up with wild, morbid, dark ideas and the writers of the show would rein him in. “The good thing about these pitch out meetings is that you pitch out your story to the best of your knowledge, but everyone realizes you can switch things up,” he said.

3. One iteration of Walter’s escape involved a new wife.
They obviously went a little wild with the “what if” writing scenarios. “We talked about Walter having a new wife, a new job,” Gilligan said of his time up in New Hampshire. “We talked about him teaching at some sort of learning annex, teaching chemistry.”

4. In Gilligan’s mind, Gretchen and Elliott do give Walt Jr. and Holly Walt’s money.
Some have wondered if, in the wake of Walter’s death, Elliott Schwartz (Adam Godley), Gretchen Schwartz (Jessica Hecht) turn to the cops. Gilligan doesn’t believe they would. “Because I believe—and it’s up to anyone whether they want to believe this – but I believe Gretchen and Elliott are scared enough that they are going to get the money to Walter Jr. and therefore the family,” Gilligan said. The showrunner said the most obvious alternate viewpoint is that it dawns on them that they are not in danger and go to the police. Vince sees their debate like this: “It’s not like we’re being blackmailed to kill someone, we’re just being blackmailed to give a guy’s money to his [innocent] children. Let’s just do it.” Gilligan says simply, “I believe Walt’s plan worked.”

5. In case you’re wondering what happens to Jesse Pinkman after he escapes the Neo-Nazi compound, Gilligan has no doubts.
And as you might have guessed, Gilligan feels the same way about Jesse. “I gotta believe Jesse got away with it. I guess you can say a lot of law enforcement would be looking for him, but I gotta believe he got away.” Where? Gilligan says Alaska which is also a location he brought up in the recent EW interview. “All these terrible things he’s witnessed are going to scar him as well, but the romantic in me wants to believe that he gets away with it and moves to Alaska and has a peaceful life communing with nature,” he told the magazine.

Aaron Paul also mentioned on the podcast that the writers briefly mulled a post-credits scene that featured a bus pulling up in Alaska and Jesse getting off.

6. One idea for the ending was Walter going “Rambo”
As Gilligan has said in the past, part of the writing strategy was “planting flags”—i.e. either a flash forward or a key moment that you know would come into play later. The writers would plant that flag and then work towards it. One of those flags was the M60 machine gun that Walter bought at the beginning of season 5 and how it would be used. Obviously, Walter ends up utilizing it in a MacGyver like fashion in “Felina,” the finale episode, but there were lots of other ideas thrown about. One of those options was “The Rambo” version.

“The closer we got to the end we realized how Walt’s cancer would resurface and how sick Walt would be. That felt wrong for Walt to go out brawn over brain, go out like Rambo. Walt on his best day was never Rambo,” Gilligan said. And so late in the game they switched to the “MacGyver” version which was more in keeping with who Walt was. In another version, or a “ghost alternative” as Gilligan likes to call it, Walter mowed down a bunch of cops with the M60, but thankfully cooler heads prevailed. “We had versions that we talked about for instance where the police come to get him. He uses it on the police. But we didn’t like that. It just didn’t seem right.”

“I pitch [some of these ideas] and a lot of them probably sound ludicrous [to the folks listening]. And I hope they do sound ludicrous. The worst thing would be I’m saying all this and people [think], ‘Oh man, that woulda been so much better.’”

7. What’s the final moral take on how Walter White dies in Gilligan’s mind? Well, it’s part redemption, but it’s not entirely cleaning the slate either.
“As bad a guy as he’s been and as dark a series of misdeeds as he has committed, nonetheless it felt right, satisfying and proper to us that he went out on his own terms. He went out like a man. In this final episode, he does not undo all the damage he has wrought. He does not expiate his sins, there’s just too many of them, it’s impossible. On the other hand, given the limited way he could ‘make good.’ He basically ‘makes good’ as best he can. He gets the money—what’s left of it, he gives one seventh of it to his family.”

KevinCavan

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

I am the completely opposite way of thinking.
The Jesse character was layered and at the same time also added much needed humour to the show.
But I do think any Breaking Bad film will be just a cash cow to attract fans of BCS / BB.
They would not have to put too much work on it to cash in.

I thought Jesse was good in breaking bad and have seen him in a few movies since. The guy who play him is a Fair City level actor, but maybe a bit better looking.

rubadub

https://www.indiewire.com/2018/11/breaking-bad-movie-bryan-cranston-wants-for-jesse-pinkman-1202021134/

“Well, I keep hearing about it. I honestly haven’t seen a script, I haven’t read a script,” said Cranston. “So I’m not positive that it’s actually happening or if I’m even – I don’t even know what I would be doing in it! I honestly don’t know any of that stuff. But Walter White is dead. How would we? I don’t know. Unless it’s all flashbacks.”...

“You know, the way Aaron just enveloped that character, or maybe the way Jesse Pinkman enveloped Aaron Paul, he filled him with such humanistic attraction. He just felt like a boy who was lost, and on the cusp of being a man, and missing some guide posts in his life. But — man — you fell for him,” Cranston said. “And I think Vince ended the series the way it was best. Walter White had to die. He was the person that brought upon all this disaster and decay. And Jesse Pinkman was almost kind of an innocent bystander to it, and paid the price for that.”...

“I would like to see — and again I have no idea if this is what [Vince is] thinking about — I would like to see [Jesse] struggle to break that mold and eventually break out and find his own real true calling,” he said. “Something that empowered him as a human being, that is on the straight and narrow, that allows him to be able to open up, to let another human being into his life. And be happy. ‘Cause I don’t sense that he was really ever happy.”

_Kaiser_

Hunky Monster wrote: »

All the negative speculation about this new movie or the end to BCS is laughable.

Has Vince Gilligan given anyone any reason to think so negatively?

No.

The amount of filler and stretching of relatively minor plot points to meet the running time in the season just finished would be two. Arguably too the idea of another season when the main players are where they need to be for the start of BB. Unless the plan is to line it up with a post-BB sequel through the flash forwards, in which case I can see the merit in that.

I'll say it again.. It's a good show. At times it can be brilliant. But it's far from flawless, no matter what some of the "super fans" (can't think of a better way to describe it) might like to think. The Giligan hero worship is beyond me I'm afraid.

But none of that is as annoying as the notion that anyone who questions "the master" is negative or laughable. The point is to discuss the show I thought, not just gush over it or its creative team.

hatrickpatrick

KevinCavan wrote: »

The guy who play him is a Fair City level actor

Really? The final series of Breaking Bad, including both the Andrea scene and the "do it yourself" scene certainly suggest otherwise. But I do think both the writing and the environment of the set and camaraderie when creating a production can influence peoples' acting, so that an epic actor can look sh!te with a crappy script or environment, while conversely a sh!te actor can sometimes pull off Oscar worthy performances in the right set of conditions.

hatrickpatrick

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

The amount of filler and stretching of relatively minor plot points to meet the running time in the season just finished would be two.

Interesting take, can you cite examples of filler or unnecessary subplot expansion? I'd argue that the most recent season of BCS was the best so far, with fairly little by way of wasted screen time compared with previous seasons. The trend seems to be that as the show has progressed, each season has included more plot complexity and character development than the last, but maybe that's just me?

Hannibal_Smith

seligehgit wrote: »

Enjoy you're in for a treat!

Must watch it back again myself.

Good intentions but never get around to it.

Treat is an understatement. It is so great the second time. Funny because the first time round I liked Skylar. She is so irritating this time. And Walter is such a horror. I felt sorry for him the first time around, but not now. We're only through to the first half od season 2. But it is so worth a second watch!

FFred

I recently rewatched B.B. and loved every moment of it.

Next, I’m going to rewatch BCS from the start.....

gormdubhgorm

FFred wrote: »

I recently rewatched B.B. and loved every moment of it.

Next, I’m going to rewatch BCS from the start.....

It will be interesting to hear how you find BCS in a binge watch, I assume the bits that drag/filler will not be as annoying as just watching it weekly.

MEGA BRO WOLF 5000

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

It will be interesting to hear how you find BCS in a binge watch, I assume the bits that drag/filler will not be as annoying as just watching it weekly.

A lot of B.B. drags on a re watch too.

wylo

Only one episode of BB dragged for me on rewatch and that was the one with the fly. It felt like a filler episode.

Sebastian Dangerfield

wylo wrote: »

Only one episode of BB dragged for me on rewatch and that was the one with the fly. It felt like a filler episode.

It was, they ran out of budget so needed to fill some time.

el diablo

wylo wrote: »

Only one episode of BB dragged for me on rewatch and that was the one with the fly. It felt like a filler episode.

I thought that one flew by.

De Bhál

Voices of Saul and Mike in Incredibles 2

I spotted Mike straight off, only spotted saul was in it when checking the cast.

nullzero

De Bhál wrote: »

Voices of Saul and Mike in Incredibles 2

I spotted Mike straight off, only spotted saul was in it when checking the cast.

I went to see it with the missus and our daughter and spent two thirds of the movie trying to place odenkirks voice, my head was wrecked.

Autecher

De Bhál wrote: »

Voices of Saul and Mike in Incredibles 2

I spotted Mike straight off, only spotted saul was in it when checking the cast.

It makes sense though. Remember when this kid from The Incredibles 1 was in Breaking Bad?