Better Call Saul ***Spoilers***

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rubadub

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt3032476/trivia?ref_=tt_trv_trv

Season 2 was originally 13-episode long, but was shortened to 10 at the request of the producers.

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Mushy

Dirty Dingus McGee wrote: »

Mike making his granddaughter a potential accessory to a crime is a new low from him.:)

Maybe Mike is going to hijack the truck with "ice cream" that is coming across from Mexico.

I suspect Jimmy's sabotaging of the Mesa Verde file could have implications well down the line for Kim.Things just aren't going to end up well for her one way or the other.

To be honest I can't really criticise Chuck for what he is doing.Mesa Verde were HHM's client and why should they give it up just because Kim wants to go out on her own.Whether he was doing it for simply HHM's good or whether it is out of spite I'm not sure but I don't have much of a problem with what he did.

I don't think Mesa Verde had any signed agreement with HHM at the time, hence Kim still trying to get them. To me, it seemed Chuck did it out of spite more than for the good of HHM.

Quality season, can see Jimmy on the descent to Saul, how the drugs trade is getting involved. Don't see much of Mike with Jimmy now so that'll come back around just don't know when. Love Tuesdays when it's on!

Dirty Dingus McGee

Mushy wrote: »

I don't think Mesa Verde had any signed agreement with HHM at the time, hence Kim still trying to get them. To me, it seemed Chuck did it out of spite more than for the good of HHM.

Quality season, can see Jimmy on the descent to Saul, how the drugs trade is getting involved. Don't see much of Mike with Jimmy now so that'll come back around just don't know when. Love Tuesdays when it's on!

Maybe but I still think it's fair enough for him to try and win the business without it being 100% spiteful ( although I am sure there is an element of that there).Howard had much more to do with it as he told Chuck what was happening and asked for his help.

I'm interested to see what Mike is planning with the spikes he was making last night.

Mushy

Dirty Dingus McGee wrote: »

Maybe but I still think it's fair enough for him to try and win the business without it being 100% spiteful ( although I am sure there is an element of that there).Howard had much more to do with it as he told Chuck what was happening and asked for his help.

I'm interested to see what Mike is planning with the spikes he was making last night.

Oh for sure. I was surprised Kim went for them, with only the fact MV hadn't signed a contract with HHM allowing it to happen. Also very sure there was a large amount of spite, even if it was legally fair game.

I'd assume Mike is going for the car or the van, and may be the start of him working for Tio.

dr.kenneth noisewater

From my understanding Mesa Verde are expanding their business so Jimmy changing the address of the site they are going to purchase will cause a masive f**k up for HHM.

Enjoyed the intro, must be how Gus got his ideas for smuggling the drugs in BB!

Utah

dr.kenneth noisewater wrote: »

Enjoyed the intro, must be how Gus got his ideas for smuggling the drugs in BB!

The music was great too!

topmanamillion

rubadub wrote: »

Season 2 was originally 13-episode long, but was shortened to 10 at the request of the producers.

Good. Far too many shows being milked for all they're worth with around 20 episodes a season/mid season break cliffhangers with a reduction in quality as a direct result. As long as they keep the quality high I'm happy enough with 10. It's also not a show that has the ability/storyline archs to carry a large amount of episodes per season with some episodes flirting with going off on a tangent as it is.
I'd say that all influenced their decision.

cowboyBuilder

Custardpi wrote: »

If you're watching BCS in expectation of dramatic fight scenes & explosions you're going to be disappointed & would be better off tuning out & going to watch Batman vs Superman instead. The series is primarily about character development & exploring human relationships. Some people will consider that boring but personally I'm finding it very interesting & enjoyable watching Jimmy's journey & seeing how the various components of family, career, lovelife etc impact upon him in his transformation into Saul. It's all these little details & incidents which over time I think will help Saul to become one of television's greatest characters.

I do agree with this and I like the show, but last nights episode took the piss a little, we have had 2 episodes now where the Mike story hasn't really progressed.

2 scenes from episode to episode that were essentially the same - Mike watching Hector from his car.

OK he has made a stinger, that should be interesting in the next episode.

rob316

Its almost the end of season 2 and we still haven't seen the birth of Saul Goodman, I think the story isn't really progressing. It all feels a bit over indulgent at times like watching something Tarantino would do.

I enjoy the show and yes I understand its very character centric, but you have to agree the criticism is warranted. The show is called better call saul and we haven't seen him yet, if you were watching the walking dead and there wasn't any zombies after 2 seasons wouldn't you be a bit annoyed too?

Custardpi

Personally I gave up on The Walking Dead after season two because I found I simply wasn't interested in any of the characters. The zombie scenes were the only things worth watching in it. BCS is well enough written that it can get along pretty well without many dramatic bits. People seem to be expecting Breaking Bad (The Prequel) but I think that Gilligan is going for a fundamentally different show, with a different pace, which fair enough not everyone will be into. To be somewhat clichéd it's less about the destination (i.e. Saul) than it is the journey.

pickarooney

Bcs is positively hyperactive compared to Rectify but that's a cracking show too. I think the slower the better sometimes.

Do they mean there were three extra episodes written and they had to trim a lot of detail or will those three episodes be pushed to season three?

recylingbin

Was anyone else expecting to see hank in customs in the opening scene?

rubadub

recylingbin wrote: »

Was anyone else expecting to see hank in customs in the opening scene?

yeah, was sure he was in the slow moving car with the lights in the back window.

I liked how they showed it was a regular thing with all the ice cream sticks in the ground. I wondered if the slogan on the stick was some witty line that could be related to the drug trade. Think it was something about family.

stronglikebull

rob316 wrote: »

I enjoy the show and yes I understand its very character centric, but you have to agree the criticism is warranted. The show is called better call saul and we haven't seen him yet, if you were watching the walking dead and there wasn't any zombies after 2 seasons wouldn't you be a bit annoyed too?

I've always thought that the moment we get to see Saul Goodman, this show is over. I think it's about the journey from Jimmy to Saul, and not about how Saul is a shady lawyer representing dodgy drug dealing clients. We already now that about Saul, what we don't know was what leads him there. At the moment he's still reasonably well grounded. He's going into business with Kim, even though he's playing outside the rules, it still looks like he's on the fairly straight and narrow.

I think if this runs for 3-5 seasons, we won't see Saul until the very end. I'm very happy with the pace it's going at, as it's a character driven show, and not about immediate gratification. This is the long game.

rubadub

rob316 wrote: »

The show is called better call saul and we haven't seen him yet, if you were watching the walking dead and there wasn't any zombies after 2 seasons wouldn't you be a bit annoyed too?

Saul is just a name, if there were zombies in the walking dead but nobody referred to them as "the walking dead" it would not bother me.

If Jimmy was still a totally straight lawyer in the second season I would be annoyed, but he is not, he has been doing plenty of "Saulesque" scams and tricks along the way. rhubarb, rhubarb!

It doesn't bother me at all that he has not used the name yet. I think some are in for a big letdown it they think it will be some big breakthrough episode/event when he starts using the name. I am not sure what people think is going to happen, as though he is just going to suddenly snap like "Falling Down" or something and have a huge change in personality/character.

Unearthly

I usually love slow shows, rectify as someone mentioned earlier is excellent but this show as a whole is just not doing it for me.

I'm going to continue watching it as I still like Mike, and some of the scenes like the beginning of the episode are good but when it comes to Kim, and Chuck I will zone out. Just a shame Saul is stuck with those 2 as they are dragging his stories down

Tipsy McSwagger

That scene with Fudge was just brilliant.

frozenfrozen

Larysa kondracki's second episode she directed after 'Bingo'. I really like her style. Another great episode. I really liked the music and sound, especially Jimmy's car sounding like a aeroplane right after the Fudge scene. Brilliant.

And being at the dog house with kim

Cantstandsya

I enjoyed this episode. It was interesting to see Chuck motivate himself to get into HHM. I'm not sure if he did it just to get at Jimmy/Kim or if he was simply doing it to save a huge contract for HHM. We do know that he's dedicated to his work and to HHM so, while I accept it looks bad, I wouldn't automatically jump to the conclusion that his motivation was purely malicious.

As for people saying they're tiring of the show because they haven't seen Saul yet, he's practically Saul now. He's out on his own and has explicitly told Kim that he'll be bending the rules. Sure he might not be helping meth dealers launder their earnings yet but that's just a matter of degrees away from where he already is. I think he became Saul in the Marco episode last season... this season has been him slowly coming to accept that fact and I think when he told Kim he wouldn't play it straight in a partnership that was the final hurdle. I think any other qualms/resistance he might have about getting involved with shady characters/dealings will be comparatively minor.

His soul searching is done. He's accepted who he is. All that's left now is for the that to impact those around him.

LionelNashe

Now that I know how to make a stinger, I just need to come up with a use for it.

When I saw the truck driver getting the gun in the desert, I thought that what was being smuggled in the truck wasn't drugs, but that the driver was what was being smuggled. i.e. The truck full of ice cream is his cover for entering the country, and maybe he's a specialist hit-man for the Salamancas. The border guys couldn't see this because they were too focused on 'what' was being smuggled rather than 'who'. When he was still driving the truck around at the end of the episode though, I was not so sure.

One small detail that hints at Chuck's motivations is that he mistakenly assumed that Jimmy & Kim are now "partners at law" (his words), and Howard didn't correct him. I think the writers put this in because Chuck's mistrust of Jimmy, and his desire to be better than Jimmy, is at least part of the reason he fought for Mesa Verde. If Mesa Verde was being poached by Schweikhart Cokely, for example, I wonder if he would have managed to make it into the office.

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Cantstandsya wrote: »

I enjoyed this episode. It was interesting to see Chuck motivate himself to get into HHM. I'm not sure if he did it just to get at Jimmy/Kim or if he was simply doing it to save a huge contract for HHM. We do know that he's dedicated to his work and to HHM so, while I accept it looks bad, I wouldn't automatically jump to the conclusion that his motivation was purely malicious.

As for people saying they're tiring of the show because they haven't seen Saul yet, he's practically Saul now. He's out on his own and has explicitly told Kim that he'll be bending the rules. Sure he might not be helping meth dealers launder their earnings yet but that's just a matter of degrees away from where he already is. I think he became Saul in the Marco episode last season... this season has been him slowly coming to accept that fact and I think when he told Kim he wouldn't play it straight in a partnership that was the final hurdle. I think any other qualms/resistance he might have about getting involved with shady characters/dealings will be comparatively minor.

His "Saul" searching is done. He's accepted who he is. All that's left now is for the that to impact those around him.

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pickarooney

Anyone who's a fan of Breaking Bad shouldn't really be surprised by or frustrated with a show which is, essentially an identical theme about two men gradually shifting from honorable to shady to crooked.

What real interest would there be in a series all about the zany antics of two scofflaws? Some, granted, given the actors an what we know them, but surely that would wear thin in about six weeks.

gormdubhgorm

pickarooney wrote: »

Anyone who's a fan of Breaking Bad shouldn't really be surprised by or frustrated with a show which is, essentially an identical theme about two men gradually shifting from honorable to shady to crooked.

What real interest would there be in a series all about the zany antics of two scofflaws? Some, granted, given the actors an what we know them, but surely that would wear thin in about six weeks.

It's all good man.:D

My name is URL

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OKRJfIPiJGY

Probably posted already. Don't care

What part is that song from

gormdubhgorm

Deleted User wrote: »

What part is that song from

The part with all the trucks in the opening sequence.

My name is URL

Deleted User wrote: »

What part is that song from

The opening bit with the extended cut

Not the same song though according to some =/

imo, it definitely is! Don't even want to call it a co-inky-dink... it is so obviously it

skibum

Great episode, as far as I'm concerned "Fudge" stole the show..

Patty O Furniture

Thrilling episode, what is Mike planning & it's nothing to do with his Rhodedendrons.

Has Jimmy thought the wrong address through on HHM, as it looks like it will have serious consequences for a few people.

Btw; i looked up FIFI interesting story on it