Irish Rail

Hilly Bill

Dont forget the free travel

Hilly Bill

Banjoxed wrote: »

Indeed. Comments like that come from the mouths of the ignorant who believe the Mail and the Indo are credible news sources.

You could add Boards.ie to that list of credible news sources .

Also apparently Joe Duffy works for IR.

mickydoomsux

Banjoxed wrote: »

Indeed. Comments like that come from the mouths of the ignorant who believe the Mail and the Indo are credible news sources.

What are you on about?

Sure, i'm living it up on my slightly-over-average-wage income from working 48 hours a week including evenings, weekends, bank holidays etc.

All us Irish Rail workers are on the proverbial gravy train.

Cervelo1981

mickydoomsux wrote: »

What are you on about?

Sure, i'm living it up on my slightly-over-average-wage income from working 48 hours a week including evenings, weekends, bank holidays etc.

All us Irish Rail workers are on the proverbial gravy train.

There is no way you have ever worked 48hrs in a working week pull the other one most of the jobs you don't drive more than 40hrs a week. I'd say you work on averge 36-38 maz per week.

Cervelo1981

mickydoomsux wrote: »

What are you on about?

Sure, i'm living it up on my slightly-over-average-wage income from working 48 hours a week including evenings, weekends, bank holidays etc.

All us Irish Rail workers are on the proverbial gravy train.

There is no way you have ever worked 48hrs in a working week pull the other one most of the jobs you don't drive more than 40hrs a week. I'd say you work on averge 36-38 maX per week.

corktina

do you think a train drivers job only consists of driving trains?

mickydoomsux

Cervelo1981 wrote: »

There is no way you have ever worked 48hrs in a working week pull the other one most of the jobs you don't drive more than 40hrs a week. I'd say you work on averge 36-38 maX per week.

I'm not a driver but don't let that get in the way of your rant.

Cervelo1981

mickydoomsux wrote: »

I'm not a driver but don't let that get in the way of your rant.

Driver, guard, depotperson, whatever there is no way you work 48hrs no matter what traffic grade you are. It's not a rant I am speaking facts here.

Cervelo1981

corktina wrote: »

do you think a train drivers job only consists of driving trains?

No 90% is driving the other 10% is on refreshers and training days.

Infini

Cervelo1981 wrote: »

Driver, guard, depotperson, whatever there is no way you work 48hrs no matter what traffic grade you are. It's not a rant I am speaking facts here.

Actually people DO work 48hr weeks I mean these stations dont run themselves. But please continue spouting nonsense with no 1st hand experince of the job your talking about.

mickydoomsux

Cervelo1981 wrote: »

Driver, guard, depotperson, whatever there is no way you work 48hrs no matter what traffic grade you are. It's not a rant I am speaking facts here.

Where's your proof?

If they are facts then where is your proof?

Cervelo1981

Infini2 wrote: »

Actually people DO work 48hr weeks I mean these stations dont run themselves. But please continue spouting nonsense with no 1st hand experince of the job your talking about.

Please why don't you give me an example?

mickydoomsux

Cervelo1981 wrote: »

Please why don't you give me an example?

You're the one making baseless claims. The burden of proof is on you.

Got anything other than "dem railway lads do nuthin all day but drink tae and they get paid a hape"?

Cervelo1981

mickydoomsux wrote: »

Where's your proof?

If they are facts then where is your proof?

You and I both know that is the truth.

mickydoomsux

Cervelo1981 wrote: »

You and I both know that is the truth.

Truths generally have proof.

Can I see yours please?

Infini

Cervelo1981 wrote: »

Please why don't you give me an example?

Staff normally work from 5.30 to 1500 and 1500 too 00.30 on average on a 5/7 roster over 2 weeks or 3 weeks with a spare day for cover That can be on either shift whichever is shorthanded. Regardless people work long days and nights.

Jawgap

I mentioned earlier in the thread about poor IE customer service......I had yet another example when travelling to Sligo last week.

One of the great advantages of the train is that it allows you to work properly while on the move so I'm a big fan of it - but what happened last week happens all too often.....

......book and pay for the ticket online (decent enough website) and make the crucial seat reservation.

Saunter down to the train (nice train as they all are now) - board and find someone in 'my' seat. Politely explain I have a reservation and that the seat they are in is the one I've booked (the LCD display over the seat is blank - not sure I've ever seen them work).

The 'squatter' suggests I sit somewhere else and I explain I'd like to use to the table for work - not that I feel I should have to explain......

Then they suggest I sit on the aisle seat -again, I find it easier to work if I'm not on the aisle getting bumped by fellow passengers moving about.

At this point the conductor came along (not checking tickets) and I showed him my ticket and explained the situation - his response is to point to another seat and tell me to sit there!

I mean......if they are not going to honour the reservations why offer the service in first place?

I'd say I travel on the Sligo and Cork routes about 4/5 times every 6 weeks and this happens on about 30% of trips.

corktina

they may not look as if they are working but the trains won't run without them even if it looks as if they are just sitting around. Railway work was always like that.

corktina

Jawgap wrote: »

I mentioned earlier in the thread about poor IE customer service......I had yet another example when travelling to Sligo last week.

One of the great advantages of the train is that it allows you to work properly while on the move so I'm a big fan of it - but what happened last week happens all too often.....

......book and pay for the ticket online (decent enough website) and make the crucial seat reservation.

Saunter down to the train (nice train as they all are now) - board and find someone in 'my' seat. Politely explain I have a reservation and that the seat they are in is the one I've booked (the LCD display over the seat is blank - not sure I've ever seen them work).

The 'squatter' suggests I sit somewhere else and I explain I'd like to use to the table for work - not that I feel I should have to explain......

Then they suggest I sit on the aisle seat -again, I find it easier to work if I'm not on the aisle getting bumped by fellow passengers moving about.

At this point the conductor came along (not checking tickets) and I showed him my ticket and explained the situation - his response is to point to another seat and tell me to sit there!

I mean......if they are not going to honour the reservations why offer the service in first place?

I'd say I travel on the Sligo and Cork routes about 4/5 times every 6 weeks and this happens on about 30% of trips.

..and you sit in the other seat and 2 minutes later a guy comes up and says you are in his seat...and so it snowballs. IEs reservation system is pants

Hilly Bill

I pointed out to a chap that the seat he was in was reserved and pointed to the name above the seat , his response was "That doesnt say reserved" and mumbled a bit of abuse .

Grandeeod

corktina wrote: »

..and you sit in the other seat and 2 minutes later a guy comes up and says you are in his seat...and so it snowballs. IEs reservation system is pants

Its because of the cut in subsidy. Oh wait....its due to the free travel pass.:rolleyes:

Jawgap

corktina wrote: »

..and you sit in the other seat and 2 minutes later a guy comes up and says you are in his seat...and so it snowballs. IEs reservation system is pants

I don't think the system is pants - but the willingness to 'enforce' it is not there.

It would help, at least, if the LCD screens worked. I wouldn't blame someone for taking a seat if there was no indication it was reserved.

end of the road

Cervelo1981 wrote: »

Driver, guard, depotperson, whatever there is no way you work 48hrs no matter what traffic grade you are. It's not a rant I am speaking facts here.

no your not and yes it is, there is no guards any more

corktina

it's pants if the screens don't work

end of the road

Cervelo1981 wrote: »

No 90% is driving the other 10% is on refreshers and training days.

good, those who drive a train need to be trippley more compitent then any other driver, same as a pilot and so on.

end of the road

mickydoomsux wrote: »

Where's your proof?

If they are facts then where is your proof?

a driver in heuston told him lol

end of the road

Jawgap wrote: »

I mentioned earlier in the thread about poor IE customer service......I had yet another example when travelling to Sligo last week.

One of the great advantages of the train is that it allows you to work properly while on the move so I'm a big fan of it - but what happened last week happens all too often.....

......book and pay for the ticket online (decent enough website) and make the crucial seat reservation.

Saunter down to the train (nice train as they all are now) - board and find someone in 'my' seat. Politely explain I have a reservation and that the seat they are in is the one I've booked (the LCD display over the seat is blank - not sure I've ever seen them work).

The 'squatter' suggests I sit somewhere else and I explain I'd like to use to the table for work - not that I feel I should have to explain......

Then they suggest I sit on the aisle seat -again, I find it easier to work if I'm not on the aisle getting bumped by fellow passengers moving about.

At this point the conductor came along (not checking tickets) and I showed him my ticket and explained the situation - his response is to point to another seat and tell me to sit there!

I mean......if they are not going to honour the reservations why offer the service in first place?

I'd say I travel on the Sligo and Cork routes about 4/5 times every 6 weeks and this happens on about 30% of trips.

i'm with you on this one, this has been going on for ages, no excuse at this stage (infact there never was) once the trains got settled in

foggy_lad

mickydoomsux wrote: »

You're the one making baseless claims. The burden of proof is on you.

Got anything other than "dem railway lads do nuthin all day but drink tae and they get paid a hape"?

If you are ever waiting for a bus or train in Wexford station you will see two or three staff sitting in the station office guarding the toilets. it is not their fault they have no work to do but some arrangement should be in place to staff the place only when required using part-time staff.

flyingsnail

end of the road wrote: »

no your not and yes it is, there is no guards any more

still guards on the enterprise

foggy_lad

flyingsnail wrote: »

still guards on the enterprise

Train hosts, not Guards.

flyingsnail

foggy_lad wrote: »

Train hosts, not Guards.

Nope, enterprise still has proper guards. Mk4s have train hosts.

end of the road

foggy_lad wrote: »

If you are ever waiting for a bus or train in Wexford station you will see two or three staff sitting in the station office guarding the toilets. it is not their fault they have no work to do but some arrangement should be in place to staff the place only when required using part-time staff.

thats funny because i've only ever seen a person in the ticket booth and if not them the station manager or whatever they are called, either way there is ever only 1 or the very odd time 2 staff about, i believe they don't stay there when there is no train either.

end of the road

flyingsnail wrote: »

still guards on the enterprise

true but i excluded that because guards are required for NI services

Banjoxed

end of the road wrote: »

true but i excluded that because guards are required for NI services

Good old Northern Ireland. High frequency services, busy trains coupled with a society even more wedded to the car than the Republic and no whining or bitching about the very existence of the railways. The reverse in fact.

A welcome change from the fifties and sixties. Unlike our own society where there is a big push to repeat the mistakes of that time, epitomised by the grotesque sprawl of Letterkenny.

Banjoxed

And in the meantime, anti rail folks will be celebrating the fact that the Government will spunk €550 million on the Gort - Tuam motorway despite its projected traffic levels.

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/environment/gort-tuam-link-set-to-become-another-irish-ghost-motorway-1.1903132

corktina

It's still a lot more users than the parallel rail line would carry and a vital link in the Motorway system, creating a route from North to South that doesn't go via Dublin. It will be much safer than the parallel ordinary roads . It will also alleviate congestion around greater Galway . 550 million is about 5 tomes what the Galway to Limerick rail link cost, but will be used by far more than 5 times the people.

Banjoxed

corktina wrote: »

It's still a lot more users than the parallel rail line would carry and a vital link in the Motorway system, creating a route from North to South that doesn't go via Dublin. It will be much safer than the parallel ordinary roads . It will also alleviate congestion around greater Galway . 550 million is about 5 tomes what the Galway to Limerick rail link cost, but will be used by far more than 5 times the people.

I've driven that route and some overtaking lanes and adjustments to junctions are all that is needed. One rule for railways, another for roads. Little outrage in the papers or online at maintenance costs and shadow tolls to operators that suppurate far money from the taxpayer than the railway ever would but that's double standards for you.

end of the road

corktina wrote: »

It's still a lot more users than the parallel rail line would carry and a vital link in the Motorway system, creating a route from North to South that doesn't go via Dublin. It will be much safer than the parallel ordinary roads . It will also alleviate congestion around greater Galway . 550 million is about 5 tomes what the Galway to Limerick rail link cost, but will be used by far more than 5 times the people.

doesn't matter, if the projected traffic level is as low as they are saying then a dual carrige way would be enough

corktina

You haven't driven it much then. The existing route is diabolical especially in rush hour and through Claregalway at most times.

Yes, I agree a dual carriageway might suffice, but there is little difference in reality between that and a motorway.

corktina

Banjoxed wrote: »

I've driven that route and some overtaking lanes and adjustments to junctions are all that is needed. One rule for railways, another for roads. Little outrage in the papers or online at maintenance costs and shadow tolls to operators that suppurate far money from the taxpayer than the railway ever would but that's double standards for you.

Everyone agrees that the new railway line is disappointingly little used whereas the existing traffic on the N17/N18 will guarantee transfer of usage to the new road , (and will probably take some passengers from the railway too)

There's no outrage for the very valid reason that we are all road users but very few of us are railusers.

L1011

Banjoxed wrote: »

I've driven that route and some overtaking lanes and adjustments to junctions are all that is needed. One rule for railways, another for roads. Little outrage in the papers or online at maintenance costs and shadow tolls to operators that suppurate far money from the taxpayer than the railway ever would but that's double standards for you.

Driven it at 3am on a Sunday morning? Needs a hell of a lot more than that.

You clearly read Frank McDonalds inaccurate diatribe this morning and believed it if youre mentioning topups that don't exist.

Banjoxed

MYOB wrote: »

Driven it at 3am on a Sunday morning? Needs a hell of a lot more than that.

You clearly read Frank McDonalds inaccurate diatribe this morning and believed it if youre mentioning topups that don't exist.

With insight like that have you done the lottery lately? You should.

Who benefits financially from Gort - Tuam because it sure hits a sensitive spot on C&T?

L1011

The cost/benefit analysis is public.

jackofalltrades

Banjoxed wrote: »

One rule for railways, another for roads. Little outrage in the papers or online at maintenance costs and shadow tolls to operators that suppurate far money from the taxpayer than the railway ever would but that's double standards for you.

Are you claiming that more is spent on motorway maintenance and low volume payments than the railways get in subsidies?

Davy r

mickydoomsux wrote: »

You're the one making baseless claims. The burden of proof is on you.

Got anything other than "dem railway lads do nuthin all day but drink tae and they get paid a hape"?

Ive worked for IrishRail in the past . The employees pretend to do work and doss and only do tad bit of work maybe do good bit one day. Most of the staff are aul lads got in when they were teens seem to have poor education rest got in from their daddys working in rail. Yous have a handy number job is a piece of p1ss. Staff are well looked after offered internal positions regularly one lad got offered an apprenticeship without going through public recruitment and on a general operative wage no apprentice wages.Staff do hide or pretend to work when managers come over. Alot of bureaucracy in the place. Lucky fella you are pension handy number free travel dossing all day ive worked with Irishrail doing a trade yous have it easy compared to a private sector job.

Infini

Mustve been many years ago in some remote part of the network then cos that aint what happens in my place.

Losty Dublin

Infini2 wrote: »

Mustve been many years ago in some remote part of the network then cos that aint what happens in my place.

I think he may be getting a little bit ahead of himself

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=90204805&postcount=2

steveblack

True to form, in real life the rabid anti CIE people you meet are full of hate because they got turned down for a job with CIE. It would appear its the same here with the haters.

Davy r

Losty Dublin wrote: »

I think he may be getting a little bit ahead of himself



Ive worked for them 4 years ago im a 4 th year apprentice electrician and applied for apprenticeship . How am i ahead of my myself ya nut. Who wouldnt wanna get in there and do nothing with a pension and all job for life. leathcheann

mickydoomsux

Davy r wrote: »

[QUOTE=Losty Dublin;91879909with a pension

You do realize that the employees pay into the pension, right?

Just like any other pension in any other job.......