Are'nt the Gardai great sure...

steddyeddy

leeroybrown wrote: »

So you're somehow trying to equate equality for gay people with a "right" to have a joint. I'm sorry but people don't have a "right" to smoke weed, smokes cigarettes, drink alcohol or any other recreational substance. Grow up.

An ad hominid (correct use) attack displays your inability to deal with the point I made. Who are you to decide what rights people have?

leeroybrown

steddyeddy wrote: »

An ad hominid (correct use) attack displays your inability to deal with the point I made. Who are you to decide what rights people have?

I shouldn't have included the "grow up". It's given you a chance to ignore everything else I said and focus on two words at the end of my post. A real shame to let you off the hook like that.

I'm not deciding what rights people have. The only time I get to "decide" on people's rights is when I exercise my vote in a referendum. Gay rights are pretty universally recognised and countries that have laws to the contrary are pretty much universally condemned for it. Conversely, you're living in a country that recently removed the right to legally smoke tobacco from a percentage of our population when we raised the legal smoking age from 16 to 18 and there wasn't even a complaint to be heard. They're so far removed from each other that the comparison is pointless. You've just chosen the most extreme example open to you.

hatrickpatrick

Little CuChulainn wrote: »

It could be argued that one is a human right, the other is a bit of fun.

Why exactly? What separates the two?
All victimless actions should be a human right. The human right should be to do whatever the f*ck you want with your own body.

Esel

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

Why exactly? What separates the two?
All victimless actions should be a human right. The human right should be to do whatever the f*ck you want with your own body.

Witnesses can be victims too...

Let us suppose a person dies by 'misadventure', or in some other 'victimless' way. IMO the people who witness the aftermath (for whatever reason - stumble on; have to deal with etc.) can often be traumatised. So, people can easily be kuffed up by some person exercising their 'human right'.

ardle1

AudreyHepburn wrote: »

Shock, horror, Gardai do their job!!! Man arrested for committing a crime!! What is the world coming to?!

Do we really need another pointless Garda bashing thread?

I'd love to see those who criticize the Gardai try to do the job themselves.

They'd fall at the first hurdle.

Ahhhhh c'mon, I see what your saying!
but it's really coming to light, that they do tend to go for the 'easy' target...
It's not on if you ask me!
And those that you speak of who do criticize the Gardaí, could do the job(that they criticize)hands down no problem absolutely.

Muahahaha

Esel wrote: »

Easy pinch for the members. Would have thought they could have dealt with this differently though. Having said that, he didn't do himself any favours by how he behaved during the incident.

Imo, the gardai would probably have not even approached a junkie who they saw rolling a 'suspicious cigarette' in the same situation. They were effectively shooting fish in a barrel.

I largely agree with this. Sending plain clothes officers down the canal is akin to shooting fish in a barrel. They do the same at large festivals, places are crawling with undercover Gardai, was searched by them twice myself one weekend with nothing on me though I remember one year a mate got done for having enough for a single spliff. It was like they were trying to bump up their drug seizure stats and nothing else because the operation really didn't seem to target dealers, just users who are a much easier catch but ultimately a waste of time and resources in the 'war on drugs'. The OP makes a good point, junkies have the run of the city centre and they're virtually ignoring them while tourists look on, it's pretty disgraceful to let that happen on their watch and then go targeting people for soft crimes.

Anyway I feel sorry for that doctor as I'd say the Medical Council will strip him of his license. Whoever emailed his employer is after ruining that poor lads career and probably 8+ years of constant study and exams. Also don't forget that the State has probably subsidised his medical education by over €100k so that investment is down the swany too. I don't know what the facts of the case are but whoever ratted him out to his boss should be ashamed of themselves and hopefully a rat like that will get something coming down the line.

Little CuChulainn

Seems like the problem in the city hasn't exactly been ignored

http://www.thejournal.ie/operation-tempest-gardai-drug-arrests-dublin-city-1627674-Aug2014/

RustyNut

Little CuChulainn wrote: »

Seems like the problem in the city hasn't exactly been ignored

http://www.thejournal.ie/operation-tempest-gardai-drug-arrests-dublin-city-1627674-Aug2014/

Well done AGS

Kermit.de.frog

What time this afternoon will every one of them be back on the streets?

This city was a joke 6 months a go. And it's still a joke now.

Little CuChulainn

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

What time this afternoon will every one of them be back on the streets?

This city was a joke 6 months a go. And it's still a joke now.

It's the local heroin dealers, not users, that seem to have been targeted from the looks of it.

Irishcrx

You got to love the news articles on these , some of them are sensationalism at it's best. Like really , it's only a joint poor lad could lose his career and have his life ****ed up over it.

SCUMBAG DOCTOR tackled be Hero Gardai!!!

'A scumbag student doctor has been caught 'green fingered' by these astute and alert gardai. Gardai were alerted to the man outside a local canal who was attempting to smoke the DRUG CANNABIS HERB!!!, Gardai stated the man had €50!!!!! worth of the DRUG on his person'

The arresting Gardai commented...

'It's important that we arrest and punish these people who support the deadly drig Cannabis HERB!!, it is widely known that this Drug leads to hollucinations , rape , death and robbery. I hope he rots in prison many lifes have been saved today'

Hotfail.com

Little CuChulainn wrote: »

Seems like the problem in the city hasn't exactly been ignored

http://www.thejournal.ie/operation-tempest-gardai-drug-arrests-dublin-city-1627674-Aug2014/

I just had to go and read the comments, didn't I?

Muahahaha

Hotfail.com wrote: »

I just had to go and read the comments, didn't I?

Never read the comments on the Journal.ie , they will hurt your eyes.

Man I hate that site now and I used to like it at one stage. The comments are a mix of a bunch of loons and then others who write populist soundbites of how to solve complex problems with a one sentence solution, agreed with by 200 green thumbs with empty brains.

tayto lover

ardle1 wrote: »

Ahhhhh c'mon, I see what your saying!
but it's really coming to light, that they do tend to go for the 'easy' target...
It's not on if you ask me!
And those that you speak of who do criticize the Gardaí, could do the job(that they criticize)hands down no problem absolutely.

Bullsh1t.

Very few people could do it and I certainly couldn't.
I wouldn't have the patience to take the amount of sh1t thrown by every little drunken/drugged runt or aspiring cameraman.
The people posting rubbish on here couldn't do it either.

hatrickpatrick

Esel wrote: »

Witnesses can be victims too...

Let us suppose a person dies by 'misadventure', or in some other 'victimless' way. IMO the people who witness the aftermath (for whatever reason - stumble on; have to deal with etc.) can often be traumatised. So, people can easily be kuffed up by some person exercising their 'human right'.

By that rationale, anything which carries any risk of injury or death should be banned because of how such an incident might affect onlookers.

underachieved

Google operation tempest Dublin city centre. Actual proof of gardai taking action against city centre drug dealing ona large scale.

jellyboy

underachieved wrote: »

Google operation tempest Dublin city centre. Actual proof of gardai taking action against city centre drug dealing ona large scale.

Do you have issues around being heard? does it feel like nobody will take notice unless you repeat yourself over and over again?

Do you feel your under achieving?

underachieved

jellyboy wrote: »

Do you have issues around being heard? does it feel like nobody will take notice unless you repeat yourself over and over again?

Do you feel your under achieving?

That or a complete mobile phone f&*k up....sorry peeps...

underachieved

jellyboy wrote: »

Do you have issues around being heard? does it feel like nobody will take notice unless you repeat yourself over and over again?

Do you feel your under achieving?

That or a complete mobile phone f&*k up....sorry peeps...

underachieved

jellyboy wrote: »

Do you have issues around being heard? does it feel like nobody will take notice unless you repeat yourself over and over again?

Do you feel your under achieving?

That or a complete mobile phone f&*k up....sorry peeps...

underachieved

jellyboy wrote: »

Do you have issues around being heard? does it feel like nobody will take notice unless you repeat yourself over and over again?

Do you feel your under achieving?

That or a complete mobile phone f&*k up....sorry peeps...

Santa Cruz

jellyboy wrote: »

Do you have issues around being heard? does it feel like nobody will take notice unless you repeat yourself over and over again?

Do you feel your under achieving?

How is the old care in the community system treating you?

Esel

underachieved wrote: »

That or a complete mobile phone f&*k up....sorry peeps...

:rolleyes:

AudreyHepburn

ardle1 wrote: »

Ahhhhh c'mon, I see what your saying!
but it's really coming to light, that they do tend to go for the 'easy' target...
It's not on if you ask me!
And those that you speak of who do criticize the Gardaí, could do the job(that they criticize)hands down no problem absolutely.

Rubbish.

It's an incredibly tough job to do and it takes a certain kind of person with a certain kind of steel to sign up to it.

The keyboard warriors on here wouldn't stand a chance.

Todd Gack

So a €10,000 "fine" to avoid a criminal record for the guy mentioned in the OP, that is absolutely mental compared to some of the sentences handed out to proper criminals, a couple of hundred would've been sufficient.

Satriale

Todd Gack wrote: »

So a €10,000 "fine" to avoid a criminal record for the guy mentioned in the OP, that is absolutely mental compared to some of the sentences handed out to proper criminals, a couple of hundred would've been sufficient.

Justice don't come cheap...

Chucky the tree

Todd Gack wrote: »

So a €10,000 "fine" to avoid a criminal record for the guy mentioned in the OP, that is absolutely mental compared to some of the sentences handed out to proper criminals, a couple of hundred would've been sufficient.

Fines should be based on a persons income. A doctor is very well paid, a couple of hundred euro to him is pointless and isn't punishment. €10,000 to avoid a conviction and keep his career sounds fair to me.

Satriale

Chucky the tree wrote: »

Fines should be based on a persons income. A doctor is very well paid, a couple of hundred euro to him is pointless and isn't punishment. €10,000 to avoid a conviction and keep his career sounds fair to me.

Stupid law is stupid. I gave up smoking years ago but first chance I get I'm going to spliff up and break that stupid law, again.

renegademaster

Todd Gack wrote: »

So a €10,000 "fine" to avoid a criminal record for the guy mentioned in the OP, that is absolutely mental compared to some of the sentences handed out to proper criminals, a couple of hundred would've been sufficient.

i couldn't agree with you more!! this is most shocking thing i've seen since bankers who enabled millions of illegal loans get community service!!

"The court is satisfied that this was a most unusual event in Mr Drew's otherwise perfect life up to now," the judge said. "It appears that this event was a simple aberration."

how the **** does the fool of a judge justify the fine of 10,000 euro if it was a simple aberration??????????????

salamanca22

I can't help but feel if the doctor didn't run and destroy evidence that he wouldn't have been punished so hard.

Also I would assume the judge assesses the donations based on a persons ability to pay it and how much of a punishment it is to that person.

I.e
A person on the dole gets fines 300 euro is much more hard hitting than a doctor being fined 300 euro so the judge will raise the amount so it hits as hard.

He also does not have to pay the donation and can in fact take the conviction. It was up to him.

siblers

Chucky the tree wrote: »

Fines should be based on a persons income. A doctor is very well paid, a couple of hundred euro to him is pointless and isn't punishment. €10,000 to avoid a conviction and keep his career sounds fair to me.

Jesus they aren't that well paid. The fine should be suitable to the conviction not to their income.

Hootanany

salamanca22 wrote: »

I can't help but feel if the doctor didn't run and destroy evidence that he wouldn't have been punished so hard.

Also I would assume the judge assesses the donations based on a persons ability to pay it and how much of a punishment it is to that person.

I.e
A person on the dole gets fines 300 euro is much more hard hitting than a doctor being fined 300 euro so the judge will raise the amount so it hits as hard.

He also does not have to pay the donation and can in fact take the conviction. It was up to him.

What charity did it go too ?

salamanca22

Hootanany wrote: »

What charity did it go too ?

https://www.mqi.ie/