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    #632
    krankykitty
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    RobertKK wrote: »
    Later in life, it will happy it was given the chance of life.

    You have absolutely no way of knowing that is the case


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    #633
    Phoebas
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    RobertKK wrote: »
    You know Obama voted for unborn babies born alive from abortions to be given no treatment and to be left to die.
    That has nothing whatsoever to do with this story.


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    #634
    krankykitty
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    Phoebas wrote: »
    There is huge demand in Ireland for children to adopt so I doubt there will be a problem finding a home for the child.

    He/she may need additional help from the HSE stemming from the early delivery, but I doubt anyone would begrudge the resources.

    Adoption is not a magic wand. BTW there aren't people queuing up to adopt potentially very sick/disabled babies (we have no way of knowing how this baby will be). And even if this baby has no such issues why the **** did that poor woman have to suffer in such a barbaric way just so someone else can have a child

    Raped
    Unable to travel
    Denied abortion
    Force fed
    Subjected to major surgery
    There is now a very early premmie in an nicu - I doubt the woman is a robot, I'm sure this is also a source of distress for her


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    #635
    Phoebas
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    krankykitty wrote: »
    Adoption is not a magic wand. BTW there aren't people queuing up to adopt potentially very sick/disabled babies (we have no way of knowing how this baby will be).
    I'm not suggesting that adoption is a magic wand, but from the child's perspective its probably the best available outcome (better than growing up in state care; better than not being born).
    krankykitty wrote: »
    And even if this baby has no such issues why the **** did that poor woman have to suffer just so someone else can have a child
    That's just claptrap. The reasons for denying an abortion isn't to feed an adoption mill and you know it.


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    #636
    [Deleted User]
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    Grand so, seems we have a line of willing adoptive parents here on this thread.
    That baby will be discharged from hospital in around 5 months' time.
    It will need round the clock care at home, so one of the adoptive parents needs to quit work and be on-call 24-7.

    It will most likely have delayed development and probably need extra help from the same HSE that forced its birth.

    In years to come, the child will want to know where it came from. I wouldn't relish telling that story.

    Yes, prolifers care a lot about a foetus, once you're born it's someone else's problem.

    Oh, and the mother. She's a life ahead of her coming to terms with the fact that she was raped, forced to gestate a baby she did not want, forced to give birth to it.
    She has to process the emotional reality that she didn't want that baby.

    Have any of you ANY idea how that feels to a woman? To know you didn't want your child, and perhaps still don't want them? To live with that?

    I'm horrified at this story.


    That's all okay FS because it was "natural". Especially the part where she was raped and then suicidal and then cut open.


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    #637
    RobertKK
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    We had pro-choice people in the state kill an unborn baby in the c case.

    http://www.independent.ie/lifestyle/health/ccase-mum-i-grieve-for-my-lost-baby-every-day-29241584.html

    She was raped.

    She says the killing of her unborn was worse than the rape.


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    #638
    krankykitty
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    Phoebas wrote: »
    I'm not suggesting that adoption is a magic wand, but from the child's perspective its probably the best available outcome (better than growing up in state care; better than not being born).


    That's just claptrap. The reasons for denying an abortion isn't to feed an adoption mill and you know it.

    Sorry, an abortion mill? What's that then? And what reason did they have to deny it? You must have more information than the rest of us.

    If an abortion took place at 8 weeks which is what is being reported, they wouldn't have known anything about being alive to have a preference either way


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    #639
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    RobertKK wrote: »
    Later in life, it will happy it was given the chance of life.

    And the mother? Or "vessel"?


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    #640
    krankykitty
    Registered Users Posts: 1,518 ✭✭✭krankykitty


    RobertKK wrote: »
    We had pro-choice people in the state kill an unborn baby in the c case.

    http://www.independent.ie/lifestyle/health/ccase-mum-i-grieve-for-my-lost-baby-every-day-29241584.html

    She was raped.

    She says the killing of her unborn was worse than the rape.

    Sorry you're wrong there. Pro choice people did not kill the unborn baby. The woman chose to abort. Her experience of feeling it was worse than rape does not speak for every raped woman everywhere. BTW by what you're saying you'd think women love abortions. Nobody actually WANTS to be in that position


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    RobertKK wrote: »
    We had pro-choice people in the state kill an unborn baby in the c case.

    http://www.independent.ie/lifestyle/health/ccase-mum-i-grieve-for-my-lost-baby-every-day-29241584.html

    She was raped.

    She says the killing of her unborn was worse than the rape.

    I know more than one woman utterly relieved she wasn't forced to bear a child. No regrets.


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    Beartimes wrote: »
    She still has her life, unlike a child that is aborted.

    And what kind of life does she have? Do you care?
    Do you understand anything about mental health?


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    miss no stars
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    Beartimes wrote: »
    She still has her life, unlike a child that is aborted.

    So as long as the mother is alive, anything done to her is justified, other consequences be damned?


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    RobertKK
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    And the mother? Or "vessel"?

    Our bodies are vessels we all live in. The womb is the most precious place, given we all had to live in a womb for a part of our lives. It shouldn't be a place for intentional killing for no good reason.
    We have enough of it outside the womb.


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    donutheadhomer
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    She got what you wanted. Now she has no baby. Pregnancy terminated

    I think that psychiatrists were in favour is there a bit more liberal but the obstetrician said he didn't want to do was as he was the one having to do the dirty job


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    RobertKK
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    I know more than one woman utterly relieved she wasn't forced to bear a child. No regrets.

    How do you know no regrets, do you live in the mind of that person?

    One can say no regrets and cover up how they really feel. Abortion is not something taken lightly.


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    #647
    krankykitty
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    Beartimes wrote: »
    I'd regard killing an unborn child to be morally the worst option therefore I believe it shouldn't be allowed.

    Morally worse than forcing a raped, suicidal woman to wait until pregnancy was viable to subject her to major abdominal surgery? Worse than delivering a baby who should never had existed (because rape shouldn't happen) at a gestation that is sure to lead to health issues (mild if very lucky right up to disability/serious illness and death) ?

    Righty o!


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    #648
    Phoebas
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    krankykitty wrote: »
    Sorry, an abortion mill? What's that then? And what reason did they have to deny it? You must have more information than the rest of us.
    I said an adoption mill, not an abortion mill.
    Where do you get the idea that this woman was refused an abortion 'just so someone else can have a child'?

    krankykitty wrote: »
    If an abortion took place at 8 weeks which is what is being reported, they wouldn't have known anything about being alive to have a preference either way
    We don't know the full facts of what her reasons were for looking for the abortion when she first presented. But we can't expect doctors to ignore the legislation.


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    #649
    lazygal
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    RobertKK wrote: »
    Our bodies are vessels we all live in. The womb is the most precious place, given we all had to live in a womb for a part of our lives. It shouldn't be a place for intentional killing for no good reason.
    We have enough of it outside the womb.

    This is ridiculous. Are you opposed to hysterectomy too, as it removes a "precious place" from a woman?


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    P_1
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    Phoebas wrote: »
    I'm not suggesting that adoption is a magic wand, but from the child's perspective its probably the best available outcome (better than growing up in state care; better than not being born).


    That's just claptrap. The reasons for denying an abortion isn't to feed an adoption mill and you know it.

    To be honest, given the well documented health issues associated with being born so prematurely I'm not too sure if that's the case. It's an expensive gamble with the price of a loss being the child living a miserable life.


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    #651
    krankykitty
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    Abortion isn't taken lightly!!! Seriously do people think women see abortion on a par to a manicure or something... I don't see any evidence it is taken lightly


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    RobertKK
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    krankykitty wrote: »
    Morally worse than forcing a raped, suicidal woman to wait until pregnancy was viable to subject her to major abdominal surgery? Worse than delivering a baby who should never had existed (because rape shouldn't happen) at a gestation that is sure to lead to health issues (mild if very lucky right up to disability/serious illness and death) ?

    Righty o!


    According to the C case woman it is, she says killing her unborn baby was worse than her rape.


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    lazygal
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    RobertKK wrote: »
    According to the C case woman it is, she says killing her unborn baby was worse than her rape.

    What about Caitlin Moran who says her abortion was less difficult than picking new worktops for her kitchen? Is her view as valid as the Women Hurt brigade?


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    krankykitty
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    Phoebas wrote: »
    I said an adoption mill, not an abortion mill.
    Where do you get the idea that this woman was refused an abortion 'just so someone else can have a child'?
    It was being quoted here as a solution rather than abortion... That there were such a long list of people queuing up to adopt.
    Phoebas wrote: »
    We don't know the full facts of what her reasons were for looking for the abortion when she first presented. But we can't expect doctors to ignore the legislation.

    We do know. She was raped. Should be reason enough


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    RobertKK
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    lazygal wrote: »
    This is ridiculous. Are you opposed to hysterectomy too, as it removes a "precious place" from a woman?

    A real health problem is different to a healthy womb in terms of a precious place for an unborn life.

    You lived in a womb, I lived in a womb, it was our home for several months, when we lived there it was home sweet home and a precious place where we lived in peace, given no one tried to kill us.


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    krankykitty
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    RobertKK wrote: »
    According to the C case woman it is, she says killing her unborn baby was worse than her rape.

    That's the opinion of one woman. Do we legislate based on that size sample now?


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    lazygal
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    RobertKK wrote: »
    A real health problem is different to a healthy womb in terms of a precious place for an unborn life.

    You lived in a womb, I lived in a womb, it was our home for several months, when we lived there it was home sweet home and a precious place where we lived in peace, given no one tried to kill us.

    You make it sound as though the place where I gestated my fetuses is totally separate from me. A womb can kill you while you're pregnant.


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    RobertKK
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    lazygal wrote: »
    What about Caitlin Moran who says her abortion was less difficult than picking new worktops for her kitchen? Is her view as valid as the Women Hurt brigade?

    We see in this world on the news everyday how some people treat life as expendable.
    There are people who see her current life as being how she viewed her abortion, luckily she is not in areas of the world controlled by Islamic State.


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    LiveIsLife
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    bluewolf wrote: »
    That's all okay FS because it was "natural". Especially the part where she was raped and then suicidal and then cut open.

    Is being raped, suicidal and then having a foetus developed enough to survive outside the womb killed much better? Given the woman was suicidal, do we know she was thinking clearly? What if the rapist was forcing her to have an abortion?


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    Phoebas
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    P_1 wrote: »
    To be honest, given the well documented health issues associated with being born so prematurely I'm not too sure if that's the case. It's an expensive gamble with the price of a loss being the child living a miserable life.
    Its a gamble aright but with only bad cards to play - the choices were to perform an abortion or to perform a c-section i.e. no chance of saving the life or some change of saving the life.

    Obviously there was a third option - physically forcing the woman to go to term - but I don't think anyone would favour that. Or they could have shown her the door of the hospital. Again, nobody would favour that.


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    RobertKK wrote: »
    A real health problem is different to a healthy womb in terms of a precious place for an unborn life.

    You lived in a womb, I lived in a womb, it was our home for several months, when we lived there it was home sweet home and a precious place where we lived in peace, given no one tried to kill us.


    What about a "healthy" womb and ovaries which lead to a woman suffering severe mental health problems? Reproductive depression, ovarian hormones, PMDD, there's plenty of research and papers written about it. Look it up.

    Should a woman with no children, but functioning reproductive organs, be forced to hold on to them in case she might breed some day?


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