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    #842
    marienbad
    Registered Users Posts: 9,463 ✭✭✭marienbad


    myshirt wrote: »
    We've done the referendums. Ireland does not support abortion.

    tell that to the 4000 women getting the boat and plane to England every year.

    Spare me these middle age (in both senses) views


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    #843
    RobertKK
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    Nodin wrote: »
    She had a legal team, it was before the courts numerous times. Stop talking baseless cack or come up with evidence of perjury.

    A legal team who presumed she wanted an abortion based on her saying she didn't want the baby.

    The baseless cack is coming from you, this person even said they didn't even know what an abortion was when aged 13.

    There was no perjury, the state presumed from what she said, probably by pro-choice people who argue rape is a reason for abortion.

    Why did she ask to see her baby after the abortion before being put up for adoption? She didn't know what an abortion was, she thought she could have an abortion and give the baby away for adoption.

    You should be ashamed saying that woman is a liar, she was just a young teenager and others presumed she wanted an abortion, even though she didn't know what an abortion was.


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    #844
    bumper234
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,250 ✭✭✭✭bumper234


    efb wrote: »
    http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/2014/08/violation-after-violation-why-did-ireland-force-woman-hunger-strike-bear-her

    Kinda says it all really :mad:


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    #845
    sfcdub
    Closed Accounts Posts: 30 ✭sfcdub


    The deafening silence of our national broadcaster is telling. Maybe they have to wait til certain organisations perfect their responses/excuses.


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    #846
    lazygal
    Registered Users Posts: 12,644 ✭✭✭✭lazygal


    sfcdub wrote: »
    The deafening silence of our national broadcaster is telling. Maybe they have to wait til certain organisations perfect their responses/excuses.

    The case was discussed on Marian Finucaine and the one o'clock news today.


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    #847
    RobertKK
    Registered Users Posts: 33,749 ✭✭✭✭RobertKK


    bumper234 wrote: »
    Kinda says it all really :mad:

    With Ireland you have two lives, instead of just one.

    The unborn baby was taken out, it had a head, 10 fingers and toes...in some countries they would have been barbaric towards the same life, but they like to see themselves as civilised and caring by killing that same life.


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    #848
    marienbad
    Registered Users Posts: 9,463 ✭✭✭marienbad


    baldbear wrote: »
    Why is this information in the public domain? It sounds to me the pro choice side are using this woman for maximum publicity.

    I hope the child involved has a good life.

    Get Real, if we lived in a grown up country this woman would have gone to her GP and we would have/should have heard no more about it. That is unless we got to put the rapist on trial.

    Roll on the day the day we enact proper laws and butt out of people's private lives.


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    #849
    Czarcasm
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    RobertKK wrote: »
    A legal team who presumed she wanted an abortion based on her saying she didn't want the baby.

    The baseless cack is coming from you, this person even said they didn't even know what an abortion was when aged 13.

    There was no perjury, the state presumed from what she said, probably by pro-choice people who argue rape is a reason for abortion.

    Why did she ask to see her baby after the abortion before being put up for adoption? She didn't know what an abortion was, she thought she could have an abortion and give the baby away for adoption.

    You should be ashamed saying that woman is a liar, she was just a young teenager and others presumed she wanted an abortion, even though she didn't know what an abortion was.


    You wouldn't have any shame though in using the C case to argue against a woman who knew what an abortion was, and wanted an abortion, and medical professionals knew she wanted an abortion, and yet she ended up having to undergo a caesarean section to deliver the baby at 23 weeks instead...

    How the fcuk does that happen?


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    #850
    Penny Tration
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    RobertKK wrote: »
    With Ireland you have two lives, instead of just one.

    The unborn baby was taken out, it had a head, 10 fingers and toes...in some countries they would have been barbaric towards the same life, but they like to see themselves as civilised and caring by killing that same life.

    So c'mon, you ignored my question. Why is it wrong to abort against the mother's will, but it's fine to cut her open and deliver a child against her will?


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    #851
    shruikan2553
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,113 ✭✭✭shruikan2553


    RobertKK wrote: »
    With Ireland you have two lives, instead of just one.

    The unborn baby was taken out, it had a head, 10 fingers and toes...in some countries they would have been barbaric towards the same life, but they like to see themselves as civilised and caring by killing that same life.

    Some countries listen to what the woman thinks. It is her who has to do all the work and suffer any consequences after all.


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    #852
    sfcdub
    Closed Accounts Posts: 30 ✭sfcdub


    lazygal wrote: »
    The case was discussed on Marian Finucaine and the one o'clock news today.

    Fair enough. As news items?

    Nothing online or on tv earlier.


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    #853
    lazygal
    Registered Users Posts: 12,644 ✭✭✭✭lazygal


    RobertKK wrote: »
    With Ireland you have two lives, instead of just one.

    The unborn baby was taken out, it had a head, 10 fingers and toes...in some countries they would have been barbaric towards the same life, but they like to see themselves as civilised and caring by killing that same life.

    A woman in Ireland carrying a foetus which won't live outside the womb is forced to remain pregnant too. Is that civilized?


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    #854
    Stheno
    Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 51,688 Mod ✭✭✭✭Stheno


    sfcdub wrote: »
    Fair enough. As news items?

    Nothing online or on tv earlier.

    It's on the front page of the rte news website

    http://www.rte.ie/news/2014/0816/637562-abortion-refusal/


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    #855
    Chattastrophe!
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    RobertKK wrote: »
    With Ireland you have two lives, instead of just one.

    The unborn baby was taken out, it had a head, 10 fingers and toes...in some countries they would have been barbaric towards the same life, but they like to see themselves as civilised and caring by killing that same life.

    Errr ... quite often this wouldn't be the case with babies of such an early gestation. A lot of the time, fingers and toes would still be fused at the time of birth.


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    #856
    Nodin
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    RobertKK wrote: »
    A legal team who presumed she wanted an abortion based on her saying she didn't want the baby.
    .........

    Do you think some thick walked in, said "do ye want the baby?" she said "no" and that led to a series of hearings in the high court?

    Get evidence of perjury.


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    #857
    RobertKK
    Registered Users Posts: 33,749 ✭✭✭✭RobertKK


    green_screen wrote: »
    So c'mon, you ignored my question. Why is it wrong to abort against the mother's will, but it's fine to cut her open and deliver a child against her will?

    You are dealing with life, shouldn't be aborted against will, and at least in this case the life was treated with respect.
    Wanting to kill a viable life in this case, only acceptable in the womb...out of sight out of mind...to some.
    It is the woman's body, but the life in her womb is not her life, her future, it is a unique human life.


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    #858
    bumper234
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    RobertKK wrote: »
    With Ireland you have two lives, instead of just one.

    The unborn baby was taken out, it had a head, 10 fingers and toes...in some countries they would have been barbaric towards the same life, but they like to see themselves as civilised and caring by killing that same life.

    Regardless of what you say

    This happened in 2014
    Violation after violation: why did Ireland force a woman on hunger strike to bear her rapist's child?


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    #859
    beanie10
    Closed Accounts Posts: 466 ✭✭beanie10


    A simple condom would have avoided all this. Plenty other contraceptives out there if not happy with a rubber.


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    #860
    Nodin
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    Stheno wrote: »
    It's on the front page of the rte news website

    http://www.rte.ie/news/2014/0816/637562-abortion-refusal/

    She's "concerned" despite the fact she was apparently consulted (according to the times). A great way of commenting and saying fuck all at the same time.

    Which leaves us no wiser as to which of the two timelines is correct. According to the Indo it was a 3 week gap between her presenting and the delivery. According to the Times it was 16 weeks (approx) and her legal team brought this up in court.


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    #861
    shruikan2553
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,113 ✭✭✭shruikan2553


    RobertKK wrote: »
    You are dealing with life, shouldn't be aborted against will, and at least in this case the life was treated with respect.
    Wanting to kill a viable life in this case, only acceptable in the womb...out of sight out of mind...to some.
    It is the woman's body, but the life in her womb is not her life, her future, it is a unique human life.

    But is has an affect on her life. Would it be OK to pick people at random to take a kidney for someone who needs one? It would be saving a life after all.


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    #862
    _Whimsical_
    Registered Users Posts: 7,953 ✭✭✭_Whimsical_


    beanie10 wrote: »
    A simple condom would have avoided all this. Plenty other contraceptives out there if not happy with a rubber.

    This case was the consequence of a violent rape.I presume that's not an appeal to rapists on your behalf.


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    #863
    efb
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    beanie10 wrote: »
    A simple condom would have avoided all this. Plenty other contraceptives out there if not happy with a rubber.

    Rapists can be so inconsiderate sometimes


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    #864
    lazygal
    Registered Users Posts: 12,644 ✭✭✭✭lazygal


    beanie10 wrote: »
    A simple condom would have avoided all this. Plenty other contraceptives out there if not happy with a rubber.

    How does a rape victim organise a condom? If you're joking I'm sure you're fully aware no contraception is 100% effective.


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    #865
    shruikan2553
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,113 ✭✭✭shruikan2553


    beanie10 wrote: »
    A simple condom would have avoided all this. Plenty other contraceptives out there if not happy with a rubber.

    You could make a fortune if you have discovered contraception that works 100% of the time.
    Maybe supply it for free to rapists.


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    #866
    lazygal
    Registered Users Posts: 12,644 ✭✭✭✭lazygal


    RobertKK wrote: »
    You are dealing with life, shouldn't be aborted against will, and at least in this case the life was treated with respect.
    Wanting to kill a viable life in this case, only acceptable in the womb...out of sight out of mind...to some.
    It is the woman's body, but the life in her womb is not her life, her future, it is a unique human life.

    What about unviable fetuses, can they be aborted?


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    #867
    bumper234
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,250 ✭✭✭✭bumper234


    beanie10 wrote: »
    A simple condom would have avoided all this. Plenty other contraceptives out there if not happy with a rubber.

    What part of SHE WAS RAPED Did you not understand? :rolleyes:


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    #868
    Lisha
    Registered Users Posts: 8,693 ✭✭✭Lisha


    beanie10 wrote: »
    A simple condom would have avoided all this. Plenty other contraceptives out there if not happy with a rubber.

    Riiiigght so if all rapists wear condoms then the abortion issue will disappear ?!

    Disgusting comment


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    #869
    Lou.m
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,532 ✭✭✭Lou.m


    Rape victims always confound prolifers.

    The morning after pill is not always effective and sometimes a woman is not even thinking of that.


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    #870
    RobertKK
    Registered Users Posts: 33,749 ✭✭✭✭RobertKK


    Nodin wrote: »
    Do you think some thick walked in, said "do ye want the baby?" she said "no" and that led to a series of hearings in the high court?

    Get evidence of perjury.

    There was no perjury, you just got the whole case wrong and are presuming you knew more than the woman who was the centre of that case.

    Pro-choice people in the state argued she wanted an abortion, she said she told them she didn't want the baby. She said she didn't know what an abortion was at that time.

    I can only guess:
    Girl: 'I don't want the baby'
    hse: 'you don't want to keep the baby?'
    girl: 'no'
    hse: 'so you want an abortion?'
    girl: 'what is that?'
    hse 'you won't have the baby after that, is that what you want?'
    girl 'yes'.

    Otherwise why did she ask to see the baby because she want to see her before giving her away for adoption?


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    #871
    My name is URL
    Registered Users Posts: 25,069 ✭✭✭✭My name is URL


    beanie10 wrote: »
    A simple condom would have avoided all this. Plenty other contraceptives out there if not happy with a rubber.

    'Oh hai, Mr. Rapist.. I know you're not going to take no for an answer but I must insist you put this condom on before you violently & sexually assault me'

    What planet are you on man?


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