Advertisement
If you have a new account but are having problems posting or verifying your account, please email us on hello@boards.ie for help. Thanks :)
Hello all! Please ensure that you are posting a new thread or question in the appropriate forum. The Feedback forum is overwhelmed with questions that are having to be moved elsewhere. If you need help to verify your account contact hello@boards.ie

woman refused abortion - Mod Note in first post.

Options
1…3233353738…95

Comments

  • Options
    #1022
    Molester Stallone II
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,459 ✭✭✭Molester Stallone II


    Larry Wildman wrote: »
    In the very first post in this thread, it's stated that the psyches deemed that she was not suicidal.

    The very first post was incorrect


  • Options
    #1023
    Larry Wildman
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,460 ✭✭✭Larry Wildman


    Gustavo CoolS Quote wrote: »
    Can you not actually read?

    What are you talking about?

    The expert panel adjudged that there was no threat of suicide.

    Can you not read?!


  • Options
    #1024
    Larry Wildman
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,460 ✭✭✭Larry Wildman


    Molester Stallone II wrote: »
    The very first post was incorrect

    Read the article!!!


  • Options
    #1025
    mirrorwall14
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,751 ✭✭✭mirrorwall14


    Larry Wildman wrote: »
    What are you talking about?

    The expert panel adjudged that there was no threat of suicide.

    Can you not read?!

    See link here

    "The psychiatrists on the panel determined her life was at risk as she had suicidal thoughts."

    There are multiple other articles stating the same thing. Next time read before you post


  • Options
    #1026
    Larry Wildman
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,460 ✭✭✭Larry Wildman


    Which part of this extract from the article do you guys not understand?

    "The panel of experts determined the life of the mother and the child was not at risk from suicide"


  • Advertisement
  • Options
    #1027
    mirrorwall14
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,751 ✭✭✭mirrorwall14


    Larry Wildman wrote: »
    Which part of this extract from the article do you guys not understand?

    "The panel of experts determined the life of the mother and the child was not at risk from suicide"

    Seriously? Even the independent have clarified that statement themselves! Read the article I linked above which is the more recent


  • Options
    #1028
    Larry Wildman
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,460 ✭✭✭Larry Wildman


    mirrorwall14 wrote: »
    See link here

    "The psychiatrists on the panel determined her life was at risk as she had suicidal thoughts."

    There are multiple other articles stating the same thing. Next time read before you post

    See the post above.

    Your ultra liberalism might be making you see what you want to see...


  • Options
    #1029
    Delirium
    Moderators Posts: 51,799 ✭✭✭✭Delirium


    Larry Wildman wrote: »
    Which part of this extract from the article do you guys not understand?

    "The panel of experts determined the life of the mother and the child was not at risk from suicide"

    And other sources, including the Irish Times, have reports that she was.

    If you can read this, you're too close!



  • Options
    #1030
    Aineoil
    Registered Users Posts: 1,358 ✭✭✭Aineoil


    Sierra Mountains wrote: »
    People don't have the right to what's best for them, in that case the government would owe me billions.

    Huh :confused:


  • Options
    #1031
    Delirium
    Moderators Posts: 51,799 ✭✭✭✭Delirium


    Aineoil wrote: »
    Huh :confused:

    Air's thin up those mountains :P

    If you can read this, you're too close!



  • Advertisement
  • Options
    #1032
    pq0n1ct4ve8zf5
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,070 ✭✭✭✭pq0n1ct4ve8zf5


    Larry Wildman wrote: »
    See the post above.

    Your ultra liberalism might be making you see what you want to see...

    How blind we've all been to that one article in a paper which has since said:

    "Earlier this summer, the woman sought an abortion under Section 9 of the Protection of Life During Pregnancy Act, 2013 as she claimed to be suicidal. Her case was assessed by a panel of three experts, as set out under the legislation passed last summer. The panel was made up a consultant obstetrician and two psychiatrists.

    The psychiatrists on the panel determined her life was at risk as she had suicidal thoughts."

    Blind, ultra liberal fools! Foolish insistence on staying up to date with case! Damn our eyes.


  • Options
    #1033
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    Larry Wildman wrote: »
    Which part of this extract from the article do you guys not understand?

    "The panel of experts determined the life of the mother and the child was not at risk from suicide"


    It does not say that.


  • Options
    #1034
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    Larry Wildman wrote: »
    Read the article!!!


    The article has subsequently been updated.


  • Options
    #1035
    Aineoil
    Registered Users Posts: 1,358 ✭✭✭Aineoil


    SW wrote: »
    Air's thin up those mountains :P

    It must be because I don't understand what you are talking about. This is not After Hours. The topic we are discussing here is a very serious one with many implications.


  • Options
    #1036
    Kiwi in IE
    Registered Users Posts: 3,063 ✭✭✭Kiwi in IE


    Larry Wildman wrote: »
    Which part of this extract from the article do you guys not understand?

    "The panel of experts determined the life of the mother and the child was not at risk from suicide"

    Really? How on earth did they manage to get a court order to forcibly hydrate someone who wasn't suicidal?

    Watch out girls if you are, or are thinking of getting pregnant. If you are suffering from morning sickness and your food and fluid intake is considered suboptimal for the fetus, you may find yourself forcibly fed/hydrated against your will. You are only an incubator after all.


  • Options
    #1037
    Molester Stallone II
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,459 ✭✭✭Molester Stallone II


    Larry Wildman wrote: »
    Read the article!!!

    I did, it's wrong


  • Options
    #1038
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    Kiwi in IE wrote: »
    Really? How on earth did they manage to get a court order to forcibly hydrate someone who wasn't suicidal?

    Watch out girls if you are, or are thinking of getting pregnant. If you are suffering from morning sickness and your food and fluid intake is considered suboptimal for the fetus, you may find yourself forcibly fed/hydrated against your will. You are only an incubator after all.

    'Forcible Hydrator'. Yet another job created by the Telling Women What To Do Industry.


  • Options
    #1039
    PopePalpatine
    Registered Users Posts: 11,943 ✭✭✭✭PopePalpatine


    The foetus is good
    The foetus is great
    Its Incubator surrenders its will, as of this date


  • Options
    #1040
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    A young woman has been legally forced to give birth by caesarean section after being denied an abortion in Ireland, in a case experts say exposes flaws in recent reform meant to allow limited terminations.
    The woman, who is an immigrant and cannot be named for legal reasons, was refused an abortion even though at eight weeks she demanded a termination, claiming she was suicidal.
    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/aug/17/ireland-woman-forced-birth-denied-abortion

    This really needs the clear timeline released into the public domain. If the case is as outlined above, there should be a public inquiry, with consequences for those found to have caused the delay.


  • Options
    #1041
    bumper234
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,250 ✭✭✭✭bumper234


    Aineoil wrote: »
    It must be because I don't understand what you are talking about. This is not After Hours. The topic we are discussing here is a very serious one with many implications.

    Erm


    You might want to check that.


  • Advertisement
  • Options
    #1042
    bumper234
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,250 ✭✭✭✭bumper234


    Nodin wrote: »
    'Forcible Hydrator'. Yet another job created by the Telling Women What To Do Industry.

    Will.see it on jobsbridge in the next 6 months.


  • Options
    #1043
    Aineoil
    Registered Users Posts: 1,358 ✭✭✭Aineoil


    Chattastrophe! wrote: »
    Wow.

    I am a mother. I became pregnant in March/April 2013, gave birth in January 2014.

    It was an unplanned pregnancy, but I wouldn't describe it as an unwanted pregnancy. Although it wasn't planned, the baby was born into a very loving relationship, and was very much loved from the start.

    But I can categorically state that, while the pregnancy itself was quite happy and smooth, the birth itself has had major consequences for my mental health. And I had no prior issues whatsoever. And I didn't even have anything as traumatic as a C Section or a dangerously premature birth.

    I didn't "make" it a "disaster". The fact that the medical services in this country failed me badly is no fault of my own.

    I honestly can't believe that you're implying that a woman who was violently raped and ended up pregnant, begged for an abortion, was forced to carry the baby to - no, not term - to viability weeks, and then was injected with all kinds of shít to keep the baby alive, was force-fed against her will, was given major abdominal surgery all against her will ... you're saying you think this is OK?

    You're f*cked up.

    I was married and wanted a baby so badly. It didn't happen straight away. We were 9 years married when our son arrived. By the way I adore my husband.

    The delivery was a nightmare.....he was a big baby- 10lbs 9ozs.....and I am not quite 5 foot tall and and before the birth I weighed around 7 and a half stone and I'm very tiny.

    Basically small woman giving birth to a big baby.

    My mental health after such an experience was not good. So much so I decided not to have any more children.

    My point is that child birth is a very profound experience for a woman because of the pain...My husband found the experience profound too because I was in pain. I chose not to repeat that experience.


    I gave birth to my son because I love my husband so much. If I had to give birth after a rape......I couldn't have done that.


  • Options
    #1044
    My name is URL
    Registered Users Posts: 25,069 ✭✭✭✭My name is URL


    bluewolf wrote: »
    Asking them to use a condom at least, apparently is enough to have a rape conviction thrown out in a court, too

    It's like asking a crazed mugger to put on boxing gloves before he tries killing you for your phone.

    I can well imagine how asking a rapist to use a condom could be something that ends up causing the case to be thrown out.. it'd probably be viewed as the victim consenting to having sex but with conditions attached. That's really fcuked up when you think about it.


  • Options
    #1045
    shruikan2553
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,113 ✭✭✭shruikan2553


    I wonder how often pro life people donate blood or bone marrow. Bone marrow is meant to be quite painful to extract but saving a life is worth it right? Or are they only pro life when it's not them that suffers.

    At least that's done voluntarily


  • Options
    #1046
    lazygal
    Registered Users Posts: 12,644 ✭✭✭✭lazygal


    shruikan2553 wrote: »
    I wonder how often pro life people donate blood or bone marrow. Bone marrow is meant to be quite painful to extract but saving a life is worth it right? Or are they only pro life when it's not them that suffers.

    At least that's done voluntarily

    I wonder how much help prolifers give the born. They're terrible concerned about the unborn, I wonder what campaigns they run for the born.


  • Options
    #1047
    efb
    Closed Accounts Posts: 35,514 ✭✭✭✭efb


    lazygal wrote: »
    I wonder how much help prolifers give the born. They're terrible concerned about the unborn, I wonder what campaigns they run for the born.

    Their job is done tbf! Its all Free will and God's will after that!


  • Options
    #1048
    mrsbyrne
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,228 ✭✭✭mrsbyrne


    Molester Stallone II wrote: »
    The very first post was incorrect

    The post was correct based on the information available at the time. The information was incorrect not the post.


  • Options
    #1049
    Turtwig
    Registered Users Posts: 26,578 ✭✭✭✭Turtwig


    mrsbyrne wrote: »
    The post was correct based on the information available at the time. The information was incorrect not the post.

    In other words then the post was incorrect.


  • Options
    #1050
    takamichinoku
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,110 ✭✭✭takamichinoku


    What kind of things would be required for the timeline to made public?

    Assuming the reasons the times couldn't disclose them had to do with protecting the identity of the woman, wouldn't that make it pretty possible that it can't be made public?
    What other kind of reasons might it be kept private?


  • Advertisement
  • Options
    #1051
    PopePalpatine
    Registered Users Posts: 11,943 ✭✭✭✭PopePalpatine


    lazygal wrote: »
    I wonder how much help prolifers give the born. They're terrible concerned about the unborn, I wonder what campaigns they run for the born.

    They don't do much nowadays (apart from paying taxes), ever since they couldn't sell babies.


Advertisement