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    #1502
    Crann na Beatha
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    #1503
    PopePalpatine
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    ProfessorPlum wrote: »
    Your understanding of post natal depression is appalling.

    As a whole, Robert's understanding of mental health is appalling.


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    #1504
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    Phoenix wrote: »
    Ridiculous to be frank,most other western democracies have provisions for the above regarding terminations,deeply saddening Ireland does not


    Ridiculous, sickening, wrong, vile, backward, medieval.....

    But when the Taoiseach of the state thinks you shouldn't pre-judge the outcome of a pregnancy where a Fatal Foetal Abnormality has been diagnosed, you can expect little better.


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    #1505
    [Deleted User]
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    Phoenix wrote: »
    Ridiculous to be frank,most other western democracies have provisions for the above regarding terminations,deeply saddening Ireland does not

    It's deeply saddening, deeply infuriating and deeply embarrassing, among other things.....there's so much wrong with the state of abortion legislation (or lack thereof) in Ireland it's ridiculous. It's 2014 and shít like this happens! It really beggars belief.

    The more I read about this case, the more troubling it is. I'm kind of lost for words at this point. :(


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    #1506
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    Deleted User wrote: »
    It's deeply saddening, deeply infuriating and deeply embarrassing, among other things.....there's so much wrong with the state of abortion legislation (or lack thereof) in Ireland it's ridiculous. It's 2014 and shít like this happens! It really beggars belief.

    The more I read about this case, the more troubling it is. I'm kind of lost for words at this point. :(


    Actually. now that you mention legislation - the regulations around the existing legislation have still not been finalised, afaik.


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    #1507
    Czarcasm
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    HSE to set up internal review into abortion case


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    #1508
    Calina
    Registered Users Posts: 8,219 ✭✭✭Calina


    Is Varadkar on holiday?


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    #1509
    padd b1975
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    jam_mac_jam wrote: »
    It doesn't matter in law if she was raped or not. The issue in law is if she was suicidal or not. So your sly comment is irrelevant.

    Tell that to the child's father who may be wrongly accused.

    She wouldn't be the first woman to make a false accusation.


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    #1510
    Phoebas
    Registered Users Posts: 9,371 ✭✭✭Phoebas


    padd b1975 wrote: »
    Tell that to the child's father who may be wrongly accused.

    She wouldn't be the first woman to make a false accusation.
    Paddy - you're just trying too hard now.


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    #1511
    P_1
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    padd b1975 wrote: »
    Tell that to the child's father who may be wrongly accused.

    She wouldn't be the first woman to make a false accusation.

    Oh no we're not going down that particular rabbit hole. Just have a think about what you've said there and just how nonsensical it is.


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    #1512
    eviltwin
    Registered Users Posts: 17,495 ✭✭✭✭eviltwin


    padd b1975 wrote: »
    Tell that to the child's father who may be wrongly accused.

    She wouldn't be the first woman to make a false accusation.



    well you've clearly made up your mind


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    #1513
    Calina
    Registered Users Posts: 8,219 ✭✭✭Calina


    padd b1975 wrote: »
    Tell that to the child's father who may be wrongly accused.

    She wouldn't be the first woman to make a false accusation.

    To my knowledge, based on Kitty Holland's piece today, the rape took place outside Ireland which might imply that the father in question is also outside Ireland.

    In any case, it is irrelevant with respect to the conditions under which the woman in question sought an abortion which was to protect her life.


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    #1514
    [Deleted User]
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    Cleveland Hot Pocket wrote: »
    I'm very pro life. I believe life should be enjoyed to the fullest.

    You however are anti-choice. I am pro-choice. I don't understand how you can claim that I also am anti-choice, seeing as I am in favor of choice.
    You've made an awful lot of assumptions about someone you've never met.


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    #1515
    Stheno
    Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 51,688 Mod ✭✭✭✭Stheno


    Calina wrote: »
    Is Varadkar on holiday?

    No he's made a statement that he won't comment on the individual case, and that we should respect the privacy of the two people involved.


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    #1516
    Corkfeen
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    padd b1975 wrote: »
    Tell that to the child's father who may be wrongly accused.

    She wouldn't be the first woman to make a false accusation.

    You really just want to portray this poor girl as evil at any cost. It's bloody horrible. You can't put up a decent argument so instead attempt to smear the name of a girl you have never met who had a c-section forced upon her.... I guess, at least you're not denying your insinuation as you did yesterday.


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    #1517
    Czarcasm
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    padd b1975 wrote: »
    Tell that to the child's father who may be wrongly accused.

    She wouldn't be the first woman to make a false accusation.


    Tell that to the woman you are accusing of lying about being raped.

    It's of no relevance to her request for an abortion anyway. Her request was made on the grounds that she was suicidal.

    Lying about that too of course, except that two consultant psychiatrists who know a hell of a lot more about her mental health than you do, agreed that a request for an abortion on the grounds that she was suicidal should be granted.


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    #1518
    brooke 2
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    Nodin wrote: »
    Yep, Young vulnerable women in care were specifically mentioned, as they can't bypass the system and feck off to Britain.

    However here, the additional factor is that she indicated distress at 8 weeks to the "authorities", but it took 16 weeks for her to see a GP. Now if a young woman is distressed and asking to 'get rid' of her baby, why does it take 16 weeks for somebody to send her to a GP, irregardless of whether one thinks that will end in abortion, psychiatric care, counselling or whatever.

    If she were not suicidal when she discovered she was pregnant, she couldn't have
    been anything but, after the treatment she seems to have received from some
    members of the medical profession. It would be interesting to know who the
    obstetrician was and if he/she had voiced any opinions during the abortion
    debate.


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    #1519
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    brooke 2 wrote: »
    If she were not suicidal when she discovered she was pregnant, she couldn't have
    been anything but, after the treatment she seems to have received from some
    members of the medical profession. It would be interesting to know who the
    obstetrician was and if he/she had voiced any opinions during the abortion
    debate.

    Given the construction of the law, he may have no real choice. There's an imperative to protect the live of the mother, an imperative to protect the life of the child. Given the fact the pregnancy was viable, and the woman was deemed suicidal the "logical" course was to force a C-section. Unless its found that the C-section contravenes some legal principle, I'd imagine it will happen again at some stage.

    The question really is why there was a 16 week gap between her saying she didn't want to continue the pregnancy and her being sent to see a GP.


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    #1520
    humanji
    Registered Users Posts: 19,976 ✭✭✭✭humanji


    padd b1975 wrote:
    Tell that to the child's father who may be wrongly accused.

    She wouldn't be the first woman to make a false accusation.
    There's enough whataboutery in the thread without needing it to be derailed with victim blaming. Give it a rest.


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    #1521
    Ralphdejones
    Closed Accounts Posts: 581 ✭✭✭Ralphdejones


    Is there any rules on this forum about playing the ball rather than the person ?


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    #1522
    Morag
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    Phoenix wrote: »
    Ridiculous to be frank,most other western democracies have provisions for the above regarding terminations,deeply saddening Ireland does not

    And we won't until we have referendum to repeal the 8th amendment.
    It gives the right to life of an implanted embryo superceedance to all rights of the woman it's in bar her right to life.


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    #1523
    brooke 2
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    Nodin wrote: »
    Given the construction of the law, he may have no real choice. There's an imperative to protect the live of the mother, an imperative to protect the life of the child. Given the fact the pregnancy was viable, and the woman was deemed suicidal the "logical" course was to force a C-section. Unless its found that the C-section contravenes some legal principle, I'd imagine it will happen again at some stage.

    The question really is why there was a 16 week gap between her saying she didn't want to continue the pregnancy and her being sent to see a GP.


    That delay of 16 weeks was unconscionable, in a situation such as pregnancy when
    every day mattered.


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    #1524
    PopePalpatine
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    padd b1975 wrote: »
    Tell that to the child's father who may be wrongly accused.

    She wouldn't be the first woman to make a false accusation.

    We're through the neckbearded looking glass, now.


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    #1525
    PopePalpatine
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    Ralphdejones wrote: »
    Is there any rules on this forum about playing the ball rather than the person ?

    Paddy was all too willing to play/slut-shame the woman.


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    #1526
    Ralphdejones
    Closed Accounts Posts: 581 ✭✭✭Ralphdejones


    PopePalpatine wrote: »
    Paddy was all too willing to play/slut-shame the woman.

    The woman did nothing wrong and neither did her child, so perhaps we can get back on topic now.


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    #1527
    Phoebas
    Registered Users Posts: 9,371 ✭✭✭Phoebas


    Ralphdejones wrote: »
    Is there any rules on this forum about playing the ball rather than the person ?
    All you trying to get us all banned!


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    #1528
    Ralphdejones
    Closed Accounts Posts: 581 ✭✭✭Ralphdejones


    Phoebas wrote: »
    All you trying to get us all banned!

    No, I'd just like a discussion where people are not just shouting past one another


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    #1529
    shruikan2553
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    Ralphdejones wrote: »
    The woman did nothing wrong and neither did her child, so perhaps we can get back on topic now.

    You still havent given a reason for why the woman should be the one who has to suffer for it.


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    #1530
    Ralphdejones
    Closed Accounts Posts: 581 ✭✭✭Ralphdejones


    shruikan2553 wrote: »
    You still havent given a reason for why the woman should be the one who has to suffer for it.

    Suffer for what ? Should the child suffer instead, or should neither suffer ?


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    #1531
    bumper234
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    Ralphdejones wrote: »
    Suffer for what ? Should the child suffer instead, or should neither suffer ?

    How could "neither suffer"? What's the solution there?


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