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    #2222
    Piliger
    Registered Users Posts: 6,741 ✭✭✭Piliger


    bumper234 wrote: »
    I haven't had reason to visit a doctor for over 12 years, my job insists i get one for insurance reasons. I rang around 7 before i could get an appointment and then it was only because they knew i was a tax payer and there would be cash in it. My appointment is for August 27th and i mad it last week. Not as easy as you make it out to be.

    It would be if you were a responsible adult and had registered with a local GP years ago instead of acting like nothing could ever happen to you and expect the tax payer funded system to hop the minute you need help.


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    #2223
    bumper234
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,250 ✭✭✭✭bumper234


    Piliger wrote: »
    It would be if you were a responsible adult and had registered with a local GP years ago instead of acting like nothing could ever happen to you and expect the tax payer funded system to hop the minute you need help.

    Erm.


    I am a taxpayer and i expect **** all from anyone.


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    #2224
    conorh91
    Registered Users Posts: 3,328 ✭✭✭conorh91


    lazygal wrote: »
    Incorrect. Find a doctor. Find money for fee if you don't have a medical card...

    To clarify, I am talking about the responsibility that should be taken on by the IFPA.

    I would hope, or assume they have a list of GPs or other medical doctors which they rely on.

    I am not blaming this woman for the situation she found herself in. I am asking why on Earth the IFPA would complicate matters by referring her to a nurse, and not a doctor, as the Act requires.

    There also seem to be questions about a follow-up and whether the woman was provided with a translator when the IFPA sent her to a nurse.
    bumper234 wrote: »
    I haven't had reason to visit a doctor for over 12 years...
    Would people please stop comparing themselves to this woman?

    There is no comparison.


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    #2225
    kylith
    Registered Users Posts: 17,736 ✭✭✭✭kylith


    Piliger wrote: »
    Mixing two completely different issues doesn't help anything. We have an essentially free healthcare service paid for by the tax payers. If someone comes to the country who can't speak English I don't believe it is our responsibility to fix that. if she has no money then she shouldn't be coming here in the first place. This kind of appalling entitlement mind set is an abomination im my view. I do not believe our system should be there to fix every ill and every issue for everyone. People have a responsibility to deal with some things themselves.

    You're right. Those bloody asylum seekers should just suck it up and put up with being beaten, raped, tortured, and murdered in their own countries. How dare they come here seeking a better life?!


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    gctest50
    Registered Users Posts: 9,605 ✭✭✭gctest50


    conorh91 wrote: »
    ......I am not blaming this woman for the situation she found herself in. I am asking why on Earth the IFPA would complicate matters by referring her to a nurse, and not a doctor, as the Act requires.
    ......

    Could have been via a specialist nurse ?
    Salary
    $50,800 - $100,000
    Years in school
    6 - 10

    be better with one of those than say a newly qualified intern with dismal interpersonal skillz


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    #2227
    Piliger
    Registered Users Posts: 6,741 ✭✭✭Piliger


    kylith wrote: »
    You're right. Those bloody asylum seekers should just suck it up and put up with being beaten, raped, tortured, and murdered in their own countries. How dare they come here seeking a better life?!

    Yet another straw man imagination. I'm sure it feels good.


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    #2228
    Piliger
    Registered Users Posts: 6,741 ✭✭✭Piliger


    bumper234 wrote: »
    Erm.


    I am a taxpayer and i expect **** all from anyone.

    And yet you did in your own post.


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    #2229
    conorh91
    Registered Users Posts: 3,328 ✭✭✭conorh91


    gctest50 wrote: »
    Could have been via a specialist nurse ?



    be better with one of those than say a newly qualified intern with dismal interpersonal skillz

    If some State agency had referred the woman to a nurse, there would be uproar. Rightly so.

    When the iFPA does it, we get the above rubbish.


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    NuMarvel
    Registered Users Posts: 3,279 ✭✭✭NuMarvel


    Piliger wrote: »
    It would be if you were a responsible adult and had registered with a local GP years ago instead of acting like nothing could ever happen to you and expect the tax payer funded system to hop the minute you need help.

    We're getting off topic here, but I want to point out that Ireland's primary care system doesn't work like this for the majority of people. Firstly, it's not tax payer funded, which means, secondly, people don't need to register, like they do with the NHS for example. It's completely private, funded by patient fees, and as a private service, people can choose any GP they want.

    The only people who need to register and are tax payer funded are holders of medical cards or GP visits cards, which bumper isn't likely to be one of as they are in employment.


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    #2231
    Muise...
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    Piliger wrote: »
    Yet another straw man imagination. I'm sure it feels good.

    That's not a strawman.

    Also, health care is supposed to care for the most vulnerable.


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    Nodin
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    Piliger wrote: »
    Well I don't believe it is. Can you substantiate that ?

    "The 1951 Refugee Convention states that refugees should enjoy access to health services equivalent to that of the host population, while everyone has the right under international law to the highest standards of physical and mental health."
    http://www.unhcr.org/pages/49c3646cdd.html

    "Asylum seekers are entitled to free health care, and child asylum seekers or child dependents of asylum seekers are entitled to the same right to education as Irish children."
    http://humanrights.ie/international-lawinternational-human-rights/unhcr-do1thing-refugees-and-asylum-seekers/


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    #2233
    mrsbyrne
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,228 ✭✭✭mrsbyrne


    lazygal wrote: »
    Incorrect. Find a doctor. Find money for fee if you don't have a medical card. Find friend to translate who can come with you. Visit doctor to explain situation. Doctor contact then occurs with two consultant psychiatrists and a consultant obstetrician. But wait! There's more! In between you're moved. To direct provision! You've no money and your friends who can translate are living somewhere else!
    Only someone who's never been pregnant and had to negotiate the mess that is the maternity system and psychiatric services in Ireland would be so glib about a suicidal pregnant rape victim who was only 18 and didn't speak English.

    Maternity services are totally free in Ireland from cofirmation of pregnancy to baby and mum 6 week check up. For everybody. The maternity system is not a mess it's excellent.


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    #2234
    lazygal
    Registered Users Posts: 12,644 ✭✭✭✭lazygal


    mrsbyrne wrote: »
    Maternity services are totally free in Ireland from cofirmation of pregnancy to baby and mum 6 week check up. For everybody. The maternity system is not a mess it's excellent.

    Many women are charged for the gp confirmation appointment. If you venture over to the pregnancy forum you'll find many stories of sub par care. I myself had a problem with a consultant in Holles St. When did you last interact with maternity services in Ireland? Also as I didn't do combined care but went private I was charged by my gp for certain appointments deemed not pregnancy related. And the state benefit for women who qualify for maternity benefit was cut in recent budgets. What message does that send to pregnant women?


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    rainbow kirby
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    mrsbyrne wrote: »
    Maternity services are totally free in Ireland from cofirmation of pregnancy to baby and mum 6 week check up. For everybody. The maternity system is not a mess it's excellent.

    Read some of the stories here. Hardly the stuff of an excellent system.


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    #2236
    Clandestine
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,466 ✭✭✭Clandestine


    I've heard that at the pro-choice protest some protesters told men who were there to leave. Can anyone fill me in on this?


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    takamichinoku
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    Clandestine wrote: »
    I've heard that at the pro-choice protest some protesters told men who were there to leave. Can anyone fill me in on this?
    Were the men counter protesting?


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    Clandestine
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,466 ✭✭✭Clandestine


    takamichinoku wrote: »
    Were the men counter protesting?
    Nah, they were a part of the pro-choice crowd.


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    #2239
    lazygal
    Registered Users Posts: 12,644 ✭✭✭✭lazygal


    Clandestine wrote: »
    Nah, they were a part of the pro-choice crowd.

    How do you know if you're looking for confirmation it happened?


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    Clandestine
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,466 ✭✭✭Clandestine


    lazygal wrote: »
    How do you know if you're looking for confirmation it happened?
    EDIT: Found this (top of the page): https://www.facebook.com/events/335321293309252/?ref=4


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    mrsbyrne
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,228 ✭✭✭mrsbyrne


    lazygal wrote: »
    Many women are charged for the gp confirmation appointment. If you venture over to the pregnancy forum you'll find many stories of sub par care. I myself had a problem with a consultant in Holles St. When did you last interact with maternity services in Ireland? Also as I didn't do combined care but went private I was charged by my gp for certain appointments deemed not pregnancy related. And the state benefit for women who qualify for maternity benefit was cut in recent budgets. What message does that send to pregnant women?

    In a professional capacity I interact with maternity services on s weekly basis. But I'm not a maternity service provider.
    If you went private that was your choice to make. It's a pity if you have had bad experiences.
    The only complaints I ever hear are from mums who went private. It's all s bit of s con really private maternity. I think some of the consultants prey a little bit on the vulnerability of nervous prospective parent's. The truth is your better in the public system which is actually very good.


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    c_man
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    Clandestine wrote: »
    I've heard that at the pro-choice protest some protesters told men who were there to leave. Can anyone fill me in on this?

    I was at the Galway one and this definitely wasn't the case.


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    Mountainsandh
    Registered Users Posts: 6,700 ✭✭✭Mountainsandh


    mrsbyrne wrote: »
    In a professional capacity I interact with maternity services on s weekly basis. But I'm not a maternity service provider.
    If you went private that was your choice to make. It's a pity if you have had bad experiences.
    The only complaints I ever hear are from mums who went private. It's all s bit of s con really private maternity. I think some of the consultants prey a little bit on the vulnerability of nervous prospective parent's. The truth is your better in the public system which is actually very good.

    *chokes on tea*
    erhm...

    Yeah, most of the midwives are great. And after the whole maternity thing, the paediatricians if needed are brilliant.

    I went public, and would have plenty of complaints.
    Felt like I had become a cow about to calf so it did.


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    #2244
    mrsbyrne
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,228 ✭✭✭mrsbyrne


    Clandestine wrote: »
    There are posts on twitter claiming that:
    https://twitter.com/_JustGina/status/502188733849165824
    https://twitter.com/MariaLaoise/status/502164805202235393

    Just wondering if anyone from boards who was actually there has any more details

    EDIT: Never mind, found this (top of the page): https://www.facebook.com/events/335321293309252/?ref=4

    That's just gobsmacking. I had no idea.


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    rainbow kirby
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    c_man wrote: »
    I was at the Galway one and this definitely wasn't the case.

    Definitely wasn't the case at the one at the Irish embassy in London either.


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    Mountainsandh
    Registered Users Posts: 6,700 ✭✭✭Mountainsandh


    Clandestine wrote: »

    EDIT: Never mind, found this (top of the page): https://www.facebook.com/events/335321293309252/?ref=4

    God that woman is scary.


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    lazygal
    Registered Users Posts: 12,644 ✭✭✭✭lazygal


    mrsbyrne wrote: »
    In a professional capacity I interact with maternity services on s weekly basis. But I'm not a maternity service provider.
    If you went private that was your choice to make. It's a pity if you have had bad experiences.
    The only complaints I ever hear are from mums who went private. It's all s bit of s con really private maternity. I think some of the consultants prey a little bit on the vulnerability of nervous prospective parent's. The truth is your better in the public system which is actually very good.

    My negative experience happened with a consultant in the public system. I was happy with private care especially with a private room after two sections. I personally feel I got better and more attentive care with my consultant in the private system than others I know who went public.
    I wasn't preyed on to go private. I think you're showing a misguided view of why women choose private care. But then I'm pro choice about women's reproductive rights, be it the choice of prenatal care or anything else.


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    mrsbyrne
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,228 ✭✭✭mrsbyrne


    Mountainsandh wrote: »
    *chokes on tea*
    erhm...

    Yeah, most of the midwives are great. And after the whole maternity thing, the paediatricians if needed are brilliant.

    I went public, and would have plenty of complaints.
    Felt like I had become a cow about to calf so it did.

    I had a very bad experience myself this night 17 years ago but I meet brand new mums every week and their all as happy as could be. Must he just you and me! We just were no good at the birthing bis!


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    #2249
    eviltwin
    Registered Users Posts: 17,495 ✭✭✭✭eviltwin


    The health care system in this country is struggling and patients are being given sub standard care, to this maternity is somehow removed from that and operating in its own separate utopia is deluded.


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    mrsbyrne
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,228 ✭✭✭mrsbyrne


    eviltwin wrote: »
    The health care system in this country is struggling and patients are being given sub standard care, to this maternity is somehow removed from that and operating in its own separate utopia is deluded.

    I only know what I hear. Maternity is good. Geriatric however is terrifying and very distressing to the point of being nightmarish. Old people who are sick are treated as a bloody inconvenience. I am warning you all if your elderly loved one is admitted to a public bed then someone needs to stay very near as they are just being ignored to death.


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    eviltwin
    Registered Users Posts: 17,495 ✭✭✭✭eviltwin


    My own experience with the maternity system here was just okay, not terrible but I expected a lot more from a 'world class' system. My biggest issue was lack of beds meant I had to go home within a few hours of my son's birth without ever having been shown how to breastfeed, with my first baby I stayed four days and that was a normal birth. My episiotomy stitches were done on the post natal ward because another woman needed the bed. There were very few staff around, those that were there were flat out busy. Apart from that my dad had stroke misdiagnosed twice, we were told it was epilepsy, it was only on his third they finally got it right but by then it was too late. Health care in this country is a disgrace.


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