Is there any main brand of car you simply won't buy?

quadrifoglio verde

Voodoomelon wrote: »

Would you buy a Ssangyong?

Musso for the win

H3llR4iser

JC01 wrote: »

I don't think that's why there's so much French-hate on here. This forum has mostly car-people on it and I'd say like myself a lot of car people hate the soulless plastic econoboxes that the French manufacturers pump out.

Mostly car-people on boards? Lol, must be the joke of the century:D. Most of the threads here are:

- Complaints about other drivers going too fasshhhht;
- High horse moralists willing to report their granny for driving her wheelchair without a safety helmet;
- People declaring the Skoda Octavia is the best car ever made;
- People salivating about a Civic's boot space (and crying about the aforementioned Octavia's loss of a record);
- Random Alfa-Fiat-Renault-Peugeot bashing;
- People claiming a Ford Focus is more stylish than an Alfa or a Lexus;

As Yoda would say, "Few BMW fanatics car-people place boards do not make!"

jca

BMW, overpriced junk.

jca

H3llR4iser wrote: »

Mostly car-people on boards? Lol, must be the joke of the century:D. Most of the threads here are:

- Complaints about other drivers going too fasshhhht;
- High horse moralists willing to report their granny for driving her wheelchair without a safety helmet;
- People declaring the Skoda Octavia is the best car ever made;
- People salivating about a Civic's boot space (and crying about the aforementioned Octavia's loss of a record);
- Random Alfa-Fiat-Renault-Peugeot bashing;
- People claiming a Ford Focus is more stylish than an Alfa or a Lexus;

As Yoda would say, "Few BMW fanatics car-people place boards do not make!"

Dumbest post of the thread so far. It took longer than usual for a Troll to arrive, a bit like trains I suppose:cool::cool:

H3llR4iser

jca wrote: »

BMW, overpriced junk.

jca wrote: »

Dumbest post of the thread so far. It took longer than usual for a Troll to arrive, a bit like trains I suppose:cool::cool:

Brilliant, entering the thread on page 14 with such interesting contributions. And spectacular sense of humor to booth

JC01

H3llR4iser wrote: »

Mostly car-people on boards? Lol, must be the joke of the century:D. Most of the threads here are:

- Complaints about other drivers going too fasshhhht;
- High horse moralists willing to report their granny for driving her wheelchair without a safety helmet;
- People declaring the Skoda Octavia is the best car ever made;
- People salivating about a Civic's boot space (and crying about the aforementioned Octavia's loss of a record);
- Random Alfa-Fiat-Renault-Peugeot bashing;
- People claiming a Ford Focus is more stylish than an Alfa or a Lexus;

As Yoda would say, "Few BMW fanatics car-people place boards do not make!"

Well feck it anyways you've ruined my point...

goz83

Lada. Anyone?:P

ZeroThreat

ZeroThreat wrote: »

Indeed, I'm still seething at FIAT for the Ritmo.......

Mark. 1 was decent for the time.
105tc was a beauty.

jca

H3llR4iser wrote: »

Brilliant, entering the thread on page 14 with such interesting contributions. And spectacular sense of humor to booth

Photo booth? Hence the smiley face I presume?

djimi

dr.fuzzenstein wrote: »

A lot of it is "Me da's uncle's cousing had one in the 70's, awful yoke, dey're all shoite, would never own one!"

Judging by this thread youd swear this is something that is unique to motoring...

Its human nature; you hear of people having a bad experience with anything and you tend to naturally (and understandably) steer clear of whatever it was. Everyone does it, despite what they might say or think. Best mate didnt enjoy their trip to Portugal? You wont be going there. Uncle John and Aunty Mary ate at such and such restaurant and said the food wasnt great and it was a bit expensive? Youre not likely to be paying it a visit any time soon. Such is life.

Zubeneschamali

djimi wrote: »

Judging by this thread youd swear this is something that is unique to motoring...

It's not unique to motoring, but the constant repetitions here show that this is not a forum filled with well-informed car lovers, it's mainly people who heard stories down the pub.

My best ever was talking to a distant relative - we had just bought an S-max in 2008. He was shocked, and couldn't understand why anyone would buy a Ford, because his Cortina broke down once in 1971.

djimi

Zubeneschamali wrote: »

It's not unique to motoring, but the constant repetitions here show that this is not a forum filled with well-informed car lovers, it's mainly people who heard stories down the pub.

My best ever was talking to a distant relative - we had just bought an S-max in 2008. He was shocked, and couldn't understand why anyone would buy a Ford, because his Cortina broke down once in 1971.

Well informed car lovers will buy anything that they can personally verify is a decent car (as in individual car, not make or model). The majority of car buyers are not that meticulous, and in reality dont give a toss either way. They have had first hand experiences of seeing issues with a brand like Fiat, they wont spend their hard earned money on a Fiat. Such is life. People will dismiss such reputations as pub talk, and maybe it will lead to people overlooking good cars, but the reality is that I had a Punto that gave me trouble, several other people I know had similar issues, therefore I will look to one of the many other car manufacturers before I ever consider buying Fiat again. Perhaps its not right, but it is human nature.

Ralphdejones

djimi wrote: »

Well informed car lovers will buy anything that they can personally verify is a decent car (as in individual car, not make or model).

To tell you the truth if there was well known serious issues with that particular model and engine, I woud not be buying it no matter how good it's current condition. Make or nationality would not bother me though.

jca

Zubeneschamali wrote: »

It's not unique to motoring, but the constant repetitions here show that this is not a forum filled with well-informed car lovers, it's mainly people who heard stories down the pub.

My best ever was talking to a distant relative - we had just bought an S-max in 2008. He was shocked, and couldn't understand why anyone would buy a Ford, because his Cortina broke down once in 1971.

Your distant relative is right Ford haven't improved much since '71. 😊

Tea 1000

ZeroThreat wrote: »

Indeed, I'm still seething at FIAT for the Ritmo.......

The Ritmo was a decent car! It was assembled by monkeys, but the car itself was decent! Better looking than most muck at the time, nice to drive and decent engines! Particularly the twin-cam motors.

Voodoomelon wrote: »

That's cool. But to me if a brand hasn't a single car that id even remotely consider, over several years of production, with a poor image and bottom of the ladder status, that's grounds for dismissing the brand entirely.

I'd agree, Ssangyong are currently there for me, but I wouldn't rule them out forever, some day they might have something I'd buy, but not currently.

H3llR4iser wrote: »

If they came out with something I like (and by like I mean the way it drives - make no mistake, the Toyota GT86 for example still looks cr@p like most Toyotas, but at least the driving makes up for it), I don't see why not.

The GT86 looks nothing like other Toyotas.

jca wrote: »

Dumbest post of the thread so far. It took longer than usual for a Troll to arrive, a bit like trains I suppose:cool::cool:

You're the troll here!

djimi wrote: »

Well informed car lovers will buy anything that they can personally verify is a decent car (as in individual car, not make or model). The majority of car buyers are not that meticulous, and in reality dont give a toss either way. They have had first hand experiences of seeing issues with a brand like Fiat, they wont spend their hard earned money on a Fiat. Such is life. People will dismiss such reputations as pub talk, and maybe it will lead to people overlooking good cars, but the reality is that I had a Punto that gave me trouble, several other people I know had similar issues, therefore I will look to one of the many other car manufacturers before I ever consider buying Fiat again. Perhaps its not right, but it is human nature.

The problem isn't that people will dismiss a brand because of a reliability issue, it's that they'll pick and choose based on kudos first, reliability second.
They go and buy a Fiat because the price is right, something small goes wrong maybe two or three times, and they say it's the greatest heap of dung ever. Their friend had the same problem. All Fiats are dung according to themselves. They break the bank and buy a Golf. Now they drive what all their friends want and love. The Golf breaks, it's something expensive, but it's still the greatest car since sliced bread and everyone should drive one, and you're an idiot if you don't.
That's the problem. And I know people like that.
VW and Fiat around the same time came out with a new 1.4 engine, turbo, both had a few versions with the top in each between 160 and 170bhp. VW had to remove theirs because of reliability issues, no such issues for the Fiat power plant, but guess which is slated for reliability and which is lauded for being brilliant?

Zubeneschamali

Tea 1000 wrote: »

The GT86 looks nothing like other Toyotas.

Because it's a Subaru.

Joe 90

Zubeneschamali wrote: »

Because it's a Subaru.

Tea 1000

Zubeneschamali wrote: »

Because it's a Subaru.

It's actually Toyota design, but sure it's more fun this way!

JohnBoy26

Chevrolet(Daewoo), Mitsubishi, Renault, Mazda, opel.

Ralphdejones

JohnBoy26 wrote: »

Mitsubishi, Mazda

Why these two, I'm wondering why they are any worse than Ford, or VW ?

JohnBoy26

Ralphdejones wrote: »

Why these two, I'm wondering why they are any worse than Ford, or VW ?

Just don't like either brand for various reasons.

jca

Tea 1000 wrote: »

The Ritmo was a decent car! It was assembled by monkeys, but the car itself was decent! Better looking than most muck at the time, nice to drive and decent engines! Particularly the twin-cam motors.

I'd agree, Ssangyong are currently there for me, but I wouldn't rule them out forever, some day they might have something I'd buy, but not currently.

The GT86 looks nothing like other Toyotas.

You're the troll here!

The problem isn't that people will dismiss a brand because of a reliability issue, it's that they'll pick and choose based on kudos first, reliability second.
They go and buy a Fiat because the price is right, something small goes wrong maybe two or three times, and they say it's the greatest heap of dung ever. Their friend had the same problem. All Fiats are dung according to themselves. They break the bank and buy a Golf. Now they drive what all their friends want and love. The Golf breaks, it's something expensive, but it's still the greatest car since sliced bread and everyone should drive one, and you're an idiot if you don't.
That's the problem. And I know people like that.
VW and Fiat around the same time came out with a new 1.4 engine, turbo, both had a few versions with the top in each between 160 and 170bhp. VW had to remove theirs because of reliability issues, no such issues for the Fiat power plant, but guess which is slated for reliability and which is lauded for being brilliant?

Not back in school yet Teacher??

bear1

jca wrote: »

Not back in school yet Teacher??

He's right though.

Tea 1000

jca wrote: »

Not back in school yet Teacher??

Sorry, your jokes are too crap for me to get. Explain so that I might "lol" as folk do in the forum world! Or are you going to ask me questions three?

H3llR4iser

Tea 1000 wrote: »

The GT86 looks nothing like other Toyotas.

Never said it looks like other Toyotas, it looks cr@p like other Toyotas do

Let's say that, since they were at it with the dynamics, they could have attempted something a bit more personal and less reminiscent of a Hyundai...

JohnBoy26

Tea 1000 wrote: »

The problem isn't that people will dismiss a brand because of a reliability issue, it's that they'll pick and choose based on kudos first, reliability second.
They go and buy a Fiat because the price is right, something small goes wrong maybe two or three times, and they say it's the greatest heap of dung ever. Their friend had the same problem. All Fiats are dung according to themselves. They break the bank and buy a Golf. Now they drive what all their friends want and love. The Golf breaks, it's something expensive, but it's still the greatest car since sliced bread and everyone should drive one, and you're an idiot if you don't.
That's the problem. And I know people like that.
VW and Fiat around the same time came out with a new 1.4 engine, turbo, both had a few versions with the top in each between 160 and 170bhp. VW had to remove theirs because of reliability issues, no such issues for the Fiat power plant, but guess which is slated for reliability and which is lauded for being brilliant?

Who is lauding that vag 170 bhp unit as "being brilliant"? And who is slating the fiat power plant?

djimi

H3llR4iser wrote: »

Never said it looks like other Toyotas, it looks cr@p like other Toyotas do

Let's say that, since they were at it with the dynamics, they could have attempted something a bit more personal and less reminiscent of a Hyundai...

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder and all that, but I dont think I have ever heard anyone describe the GT86 as crap looking before...

Moneymaker

jca wrote: »

Your distant relative is right Ford haven't improved much since '71. 😊

Yeah all those Escort Cosworths, Mondeo's, Focus, Focus ST, Fiesta ST, Ford GT were awful yokes all together.

:rolleyes:

dr.fuzzenstein

goz83 wrote: »

Lada. Anyone?:P

I'll have a Niva any day.

dgt

dr.fuzzenstein wrote: »

I'll have a Niva any day.

In my twisted world I would love a Priora or a Samara

Hachiko

Let's say that, since they were at it with the dynamics, they could have attempted something a bit more personal and less reminiscent of a Hyundai........

making it a tad faster would have been good too.

Ralphdejones

Have people worked out yet that the particular model and engine is a much more useful indicator of a good/bad car than the make or nationality is ?

dr.fuzzenstein

Ralphdejones wrote: »

Have people worked out yet that the particular model and engine is a much more useful indicator of a good/bad car than the make or nationality is ?

Yep, going back to the Focus, which one? 1.4 or 1.6 petrol, ST, 1.6 or 1.8 diesel, hatch, saloon (you're sick!) or station wagon? Vast differences between them, someone might buy a bad one and from there the pub talk takes off, ah dey're all sh*te, so dey are!

jca

Moneymaker wrote: »

Yeah all those Escort Cosworths, Mondeo's, Focus, Focus ST, Fiesta ST, Ford GT were awful yokes all together.

:rolleyes:

Yea like they're ten a penny in good ole Ireland. Ford's mainstream stuff is pretty dire....

Ralphdejones

dr.fuzzenstein wrote: »

Yep, going back to the Focus, which one? 1.4 or 1.6 petrol, ST, 1.6 or 1.8 diesel, hatch, saloon (you're sick!) or station wagon? Vast differences between them, someone might buy a bad one and from there the pub talk takes off, ah dey're all sh*te, so dey are!

The 1.6 petrol saloon for me. Some great bargains to be had.

Jesus.

H3llR4iser wrote: »

Never said it looks like other Toyotas, it looks cr@p like other Toyotas do :DLet's say that, since they were at it with the dynamics, they could have attempted something a bit more personal and less reminiscent of a Hyundai...

Its all in the eye of the beholder mate. I think its a cracking looking motor

Compton

Dacia, Volvo, KIA, Hyundai and anything French

Moneymaker

jca wrote: »

Yea like they're ten a penny in good ole Ireland. Ford's mainstream stuff is pretty dire....

No it isn't.

Zubeneschamali

jca wrote: »

Ford's mainstream stuff is pretty dire....

Ford's very latest stuff is a bit off the pace, and I say that as a Ford driver. The financial crisis and near collapse of the US industry set them back.

The next Mondeo here is very late, and will be based on a US design that's been on sale for a couple of years - so it'll probably be worse than the current one. I doubt the next S-Max will be an improvement either. The latest Focus isn't a class leader like the first was, and the current Fiesta is just a facelift of the 2008 model.

bladespin

Driving them as company cars only confirms my resistance to all things VW, it would take a lot to make me want to part with cash for one.

dr.fuzzenstein

jca wrote: »

Yea like they're ten a penny in good ole Ireland. Ford's mainstream stuff is pretty dire....

As opposed to what?
I don't see Opel and VW being better.

Fresh Pots

Renault. Never again.

filbert the fox

I had a renault Laguna Mk 1 concorde 1.8 for 3 years and did loads of mileage without putting anything more than a battery in....

Gosub

filbert the fox wrote: »

I had a renault Laguna Mk 1 concorde 1.8 for 3 years and did loads of mileage without putting anything more than a battery in....

This illustrates the problem with writing off a marque totally. The Laguna Mk1 was ok. The Laguna Mk2 was a complete piece of sh¡te. The Laguna Mk3 seems to be a HUGE improvement. I think I remember reading a figure of something like 30 times more reliable than the Mk2.

That's just one model from one marque. How can you realistically shoot down a model, never mind a brand?

padma

People write off a brand because of feeling burned by a carmaker who produced a pile of balls..with known faults..never gave good will gestures or fixed the problems... one being the late 90s early 00's puntos. For that they deserve to lose sales..letting them off because they had a good version of a car is stupid as theyd have no reason to produce better quality if people continued buying bad crap from them.

geeksauce

Citroen - bad experience with the one and only Citroen I owned
Renault - have heard so many stories of sh1te electrics in the car that I have no desire to ever own one.

rizzodun

filbert the fox wrote: »

I had a renault Laguna Mk 1 concorde 1.8 for 3 years and did loads of mileage without putting anything more than a battery in....

Ah HA! Proof! It needed a battery because the electrics in French cars is so bad!

Gosub

padma wrote: »

People write off a brand because of feeling burned by a carmaker who produced a pile of balls..with known faults..never gave good will gestures or fixed the problems... one being the late 90s early 00's puntos. For that they deserve to lose sales..letting them off because they had a good version of a car is stupid as theyd have no reason to produce better quality if people continued buying bad crap from them.

If you write off every brand that produced a stinker at some stage, then you'd have no brands to choose from. They've all had bad ones and have failed to back them up with appropriate after sales service.

padma

Gosub wrote: »

If you write off every brand that produced a stinker at some stage, then you'd have no brands to choose from. They've all had bad ones and have failed to back them up with appropriate after sales service.

If you got stung by a brand..it would make you think twice of ever giving that company money again.

dr.fuzzenstein

Gosub wrote: »

If you write off every brand that produced a stinker at some stage, then you'd have no brands to choose from. They've all had bad ones and have failed to back them up with appropriate after sales service.

That. Padma will have to start building his own cars soon enough.