rescued 2 week old kitten

damagegt

DBB wrote: »

For the sake of clarity, the pineapple must be eaten by the animal whose poop is being eaten. This means that the cats would have to be fed pineapple so that Izzy won't eat it... I really don't know would you get a cat to eat pineapple?
In any case, whilst it works sometimes, it actually doesn't work that often!
I think the dog-proof litter box linked to is a much better alternative:)

I just spent the last 10 minutes looking for posts by someone called pineapple about a dog eating cat ....

damagegt

mymo wrote: »

The joys of kitty biscuits!

We have covered trays, but cats use the garden too, either way dogs love a munch on a kitty biscuit if they can find one.
Dogs just can't help themselves, we scoop twice a day, we worm everyone at the same time, and we try various things as we come up with ideas.
The latest idea is to prop the door to the bathroom open (litter tray is in bathroom) just enough for a cat to get in, but put something heavy to stop it opening wider so dogs can't get in. It's working so far, but our bathroom door opens out. Can you think of anything like that?


DBB, we have a cat that eats pineapple off pizzas, as my daughter has found out, nothing is sacred.

yup have a kind of maze system set up now but I think its after putting tusk off.There seems to be more around the tray then in it

DBB

mymo wrote: »

The latest idea is to prop the door to the bathroom open (litter tray is in bathroom) just enough for a cat to get in, but put something heavy to stop it opening wider so dogs can't get in. It's working so far, but our bathroom door opens out. Can you think of anything like that?

Good idea! In farming speak, you're talking about a creep area!
It can indeed work when you need to allow one animal access to an area that you don't want another accessing, but it only works if the animals are very different in size.
So DT, you could put your litter tray into a heavy, upside-down box with a gap underneath that the kittens can get into, but the dogs can't? Or, say, a baby gate raised up off the ground so that the kittens can fit under, but the dogs can't?

DBB, we have a cat that eats pineapple off pizzas, as my daughter has found out, nothing is sacred.

Lol, I was going to write in my post *awaits someone posting that their cat lurrrves pineapple*

damagegt

New Home wrote: »

They are great, Damagegt, I can't believe how gorgeous they are... and how big they've become... thanks for posting these

Now, I'm sure I read other threads about it (if you search 'pineapple' in this forum they should come up), but in the meantime this might help too - http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=92583140

Tusk seems to have stopped growing.He really was the runt.The difference in him and Finbarr is chalk and cheese.

damagegt

DBB wrote: »

Good idea! In farming speak, you're talking about a creep area!
It can indeed work when you need to allow one animal access to an area that you don't want another accessing, but it only works if the animals are very different in size.
So DT, you could put your litter tray into a heavy, upside-down box with a gap underneath that the kittens can get into, but the dogs can't? Or, say, a baby gate raised up off the ground so that the kittens can fit under, but the dogs can't?




Lol, I was going to write in my post *awaits someone posting that their cat lurrrves pineapple*

Good Idea!I have an extra carry box that I can jimmy up to just leave the cats in.

Finbarrs the same.He eats everything and I means everything.Had himself the end of quite a hot green curry.He likes porridge and tea.If its in a cup,bowl or plate its fair game.

RoadhouseBlues

Great to see the moggies doing well. Who knows. 2016 is the next election year I think. And a new party would be very purrtinent I would imagine. Finbar for Taoiseach. Although even as I type this, I hear rumblings from canine opposition claiming he would milk the country dry. There is a tail to be told here somewhere........

New Home

damagegt wrote: »

Good Idea!I have an extra carry box that I can jimmy up to just leave the cats in.

Finbarrs the same.He eats everything and I means everything.Had himself the end of quite a hot green curry.He likes porridge and tea.If its in a cup,bowl or plate its fair game.

:eek::eek::eek::eek::eek:

I mean, at a push I can understand the porridge and even the tea, as they probably have milk in them, but a hot curry... ouch!

Stinjy

They are fantastic pics D!! Good work! Loving them stretched out infront of the fire....

Wrt the poop eating our dog used to do that and after giving oht to her a few times she stopped but we tried to scoop as often as possible too to lessen the oppertunity.. its not the worst thing but hope you get it sorted

FanadMan

damagegt wrote: »

Good Idea!I have an extra carry box that I can jimmy up to just leave the cats in.

Finbarrs the same.He eats everything and I means everything.Had himself the end of quite a hot green curry.He likes porridge and tea.If its in a cup,bowl or plate its fair game.

I had nearly given up hope on FC......good to see that my predictions are as messed up as ever God, he is some brute already - bet he's eating straight into your wallet lol

From your report of his eating habbits - bet it must be some beautiful shock when you think back to when you were worried that he was only taking a few ml onboard.

You have to be one of the real heros of Boards. Found an abandoned tiny kitten, rescued it, asked for help and gave buckets of love. I know that so many people gave advice and offered help but you kept going (with help from a lot of the advice) and have raised a new member of your own and Boards family.

DAMAGEGT for president!!!!












.......and Finbar for vice president

Stinjy

FanadMan wrote: »

DAMAGEGT for president!!!!












.......and Finbar for vice president

Ah now we all know cats rule humans.. i agree with the sentiment but think FC will be president , tusk vice and humans and dogs used as butlers and servants :P

Aglomerado

Best thread ever. Lovely to see the new pictures of FC and co. happy and healthy at home. (I love your dogs too damagegt!)

mymo

DBB wrote: »

Lol, I was going to write in my post *awaits someone posting that their cat lurrrves pineapple*

Only off pizza, we tried other ways, but just off the pizza.

We also can't have strawberry jam on toast or brown bread, as Ruby LOVES strawberry jam, spag Bol, they all love, and Toby ate our sweet and sour chicken stir fry last week (Carrots, noodles, everything), while I was on the phone!

Damagegt, did you ever see a cat eat spaghetti or noodles

We never leave our food alone, don't turn your back on food, between animals and teenager, I'm lucky I don't starve!

angelfire9

DBB wrote: »

So DT, you could put your litter tray into a heavy, upside-down box with a gap underneath that the kittens can get into, but the dogs can't? Or, say, a baby gate raised up off the ground so that the kittens can fit under, but the dogs can't?

DBB have you got cats?
This post made me LOL
Baby gates... ha ha
My fools will (Depending on laziness or level of intelligence) either Jump over it (sooty) squeeze under it (Sneezy) or squeeze through it (and get stuck) (bob)
They are cats they have an inbuilt adventurous streak

damagegt

FanadMan wrote: »

I had nearly given up hope on FC......good to see that my predictions are as messed up as ever Nicolas Cage, he is some brute already - bet he's eating straight into your wallet lol

From your report of his eating habbits - bet it must be some beautiful shock when you think back to when you were worried that he was only taking a few ml onboard.

You have to be one of the real heros of Boards. Found an abandoned tiny kitten, rescued it, asked for help and gave buckets of love. I know that so many people gave advice and offered help but you kept going (with help from a lot of the advice) and have raised a new member of your own and Boards family.

DAMAGEGT for president!!!!












.......and Finbar for vice president

When I look back at the pictures of him went I first found him,I was so sure he was going to die.The second night when he wasn't feeding was horrible but now you would never know he had such a tough start.And just remember I have no doubt it wouldn't have ended well if it wasnt for all of you on Boards.I really cant thank you enough.

Stinjy

angelfire9 wrote: »

DBB have you got cats?
This post made me LOL
Baby gates... ha ha
My fools will (Depending on laziness or level of intelligence) either Jump over it (sooty) squeeze under it (Sneezy) or squeeze through it (and get stuck) (bob)
They are cats they have an inbuilt adventurous streak

I think the idea is the cats can get through but the dogs can't so they can't eat the cat poop!!

RoadhouseBlues

angelfire9 wrote: »

DBB have you got cats?
This post made me LOL
Baby gates... ha ha
My fools will (Depending on laziness or level of intelligence) either Jump over it (sooty) squeeze under it (Sneezy) or squeeze through it (and get stuck) (bob)
They are cats they have an inbuilt adventurous streak

Great names:). Sneezy:D:D:D

CongoCallaghan

I've been following your posts. You're doing grand. No need for vet unless it's time to neuter, a must but particularly for Toms. He'll smell you out of home. Warmth and feeding the essential. If it starts dribbling from its nose use a clean babywipe to gently dry it until it clears up. If there is a discharge from the eye/s same treatment. Keep it out of draughts. Cardboard box ideal. Prepare a shallow dish with turf mould or such (baking tray) in a corner of the room for when it wants to do 1 & 2. Clean and disinfect after each movement. Sniff in her presence (like you are clearing your nose) and she'll bond with you for life.

CongoCallaghan

Oh! and I forgot. The other end must be cleaned frequently and watch for constipation. Again, babywipes. (great invention). Oh! When I said sniff I don't mean blow. And not like you're smelling something.

aonb

CongoCallaghan wrote: »

ct after each movement. Sniff in her presence (like you are clearing your nose) and she'll bond with you for life.

Dont mean to highjack this thread, but as a new_kitten_novice what does this mean?!?!?

DBB

angelfire9 wrote: »

DBB have you got cats?
This post made me LOL
Baby gates... ha ha
My fools will (Depending on laziness or level of intelligence) either Jump over it (sooty) squeeze under it (Sneezy) or squeeze through it (and get stuck) (bob)
They are cats they have an inbuilt adventurous streak

I don't have cats, but as has already been pointed out, it doesn't make any difference... as long as the cats can get through/over/under and the dogs can't. Izzy that DT mentions is raiding the litter tray is a collie, Finbarr is a cat. A baby gate will allow Finbarr through/over/under to access the litter tray, but not a collie.
That's the whole point, you see?

CongoCallaghan

Beware you are not rearing the new Celtic Tiger!!

CongoCallaghan

I've posted a few messages which have not appeared. Is there a Govt Censor attached to this bulletin board or am I hitting the wrong button?

Frito

aonb wrote: »

Dont mean to highjack this thread, but as a new_kitten_novice what does this mean?!?!?

This.

http://uncyclopedia.wikia.com/wiki/Kitten_Huffing

On a serious note; damage, my cat is a bit like Tusk (and the be more dog cat from the O2 ads - indifferent til lunch)

He had some petting induced aggression to begin with, didn't really want to be around me unless there was food. I kept petting him and sitting next to him for a few minutes several times a day. He'll never be a typical lap cat but he tolerates much more interaction now, and frequently jumps up onto my lap for a quarter of an hour or so.

DBB

CongoCallaghan wrote: »

I've posted a few messages which have not appeared. Is there a Govt Censor attached to this bulletin board or am I hitting the wrong button?

Mod note: Hmmm... I can't see anything to suggest there's anything wrong at this end.. there is no censorship on this board unless people break the rules, so maybe it's a button at your end?:)
If the problem persists, let me know and I'll forward it to the relevant people!

CongoCallaghan

OMG. Did I say the wrong thing? Who are these relevant people? Do they know where I live?

DBB

CongoCallaghan wrote: »

OMG. Did I say the wrong thing? Who are these relevant people? Do they know where I live?

Yes. They're watching you now. They're everywhere.
Sleep well

angelfire9

DBB wrote: »

I don't have cats, but as has already been pointed out, it doesn't make any difference... as long as the cats can get through/over/under and the dogs can't. Izzy that DT mentions is raiding the litter tray is a collie, Finbarr is a cat. A baby gate will allow Finbarr through/over/under to access the litter tray, but not a collie.
That's the whole point, you see?

Yes, sorry, You were making the point that you could mount the gate a bit higher for Finbar when there is really no need
If a cat wants to get the other side of the gate he will and nothing will stop him

you see my point :rolleyes:
:P

angelfire9

RoadhouseBlues wrote: »

Great names:). Sneezy:D:D:D

Comes from a bout of cat flu & a then 2 year old ointing the names

RoadhouseBlues

angelfire9 wrote: »

Comes from a bout of cat flu & a then 2 year old ointing the names

I am on bended knee in honour of Sneezy:D. Its brilliant:D. We had a stray at home that invaded years ago:) and we called it Wallace, cos it was the wildest thing you ever seen and it reminded us of Braveheart:D:D:D. It eventually came into the house, but we were always a bit in fear of it:D. He was great though. My father used to tell him to roll over, and I swear he used to get down and roll over like a dog:D. All hail the moggies:D. Sorry for all the smiley faces. Sure its better than frowning:D

CongoCallaghan

. Roadhouseblues. Please don't put so many "smilies" in your post. I think they are watching me.

RoadhouseBlues

CongoCallaghan wrote: »

. Roadhouseblues. Please don't put so many "smilies" in your post. I think they are watching me.

I tried to tell that to my therapist, and she wouldn't believe me. Then one night I got a call from her and she told me that her cat had opposable thumbs!

CongoCallaghan

Time to change your therapist, RoadhouseBlues. Remember 1984!!

nicki11

Love this thread but why would you neuter Finbar, hes gorgeous and mischievous and an indoor cat so its not like he'd get around, my cat was fine, other then his partner Mr Tibs (teddy bear) he never bothered anyone and more Finbar's would be lovely when hes older. With females it makes sense (the marking) with them but none of my friends with male indoors cats haven't had issues also as long as they aren't humping guests incessantly I'm not in favor of it. Theres also this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AGFev2BmnhE

Pumpkinseeds

nicki11 wrote: »

Love this thread but why would you neuter Finbar, hes gorgeous and mischievous and an indoor cat so its not like he'd get around, my cat was fine, other then his partner Mr Tibs (teddy bear) he never bothered anyone and more Finbar's would be lovely when hes older. With females it makes sense (the marking) with them but none of my friends with male indoors cats haven't had issues also as long as they aren't humping guests incessantly I'm not in favor of it. Theres also this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AGFev2BmnhE

There are many good reasons to have a cat neutered and anyone who has a pet has a moral obligation to get it done to prevent unwanted litters.

damagegt

nicki11 wrote: »

Love this thread but why would you neuter Finbar, hes gorgeous and mischievous and an indoor cat so its not like he'd get around, my cat was fine, other then his partner Mr Tibs (teddy bear) he never bothered anyone and more Finbar's would be lovely when hes older. With females it makes sense (the marking) with them but none of my friends with male indoors cats haven't had issues also as long as they aren't humping guests incessantly I'm not in favor of it. Theres also this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AGFev2BmnhE

Hes an indoor cat for now.I firmly believe its unfair to keep any animal locked up no matter how much comfort they have or how much you love/paid for them.I totally understand why people are fearful of leaving them out but I dont think its for me to decide his life because I'm afraid certain scenarios might happen.Its his life to live so as soon as he thinks hes ready go exploring the world for himself Ill be more then happy to open the door for him.

As for the neutering.I don't believe in it, in the same way as keeping him in doors but as Pumpkin said ,the very day I decided to keep him I also took on all the obligations to care for him in every way possible including keeping him away from the mess of ferals that he came from due to uncontrolled breading and neutering is the best way.Ill leave it as long as I can but eventually the day is going to come along.
Ill do all I can to help him experience life being a cat.


Now on to a new problem.Tusk just wont use the litter trays at all any more .Hell go beside them,in the same room,floor,couch you name it.When we got him first this wasn't a problem.We have changed his brand of litter in the last week could that be the cause of it ?
The trays are cleaned 2-3 times a day.He has no problem weeing in them.The dogs arent eating from them any more.I cant figure it out.

Pumpkinseeds

About the litter trays, where are they located? Cats tend to prefer somewhere quiet and private to toilet. The type of litter can play a big part as some cats may not like the feel of a kind of litter or the smell of it. We use the Cats Best Oko plus litter and ours are happy with it. It's cheap and because it's so absorbent it last for ages, certainly a lot longer than most other brands.

To be honest, I've never really understood why so many people are against neutering/spaying. Cats are much more settled after it, it massively reduces spraying and fighting. It stops the spread of feline aids and many other nasty feline illnesses and generally makes for a happier cat. I don't think there's any rescue or tnr group in Ireland that isn't completely swamped with unwanted kittens/cats.

anothernight

Pumpkinseeds wrote: »

To be honest, I've never really understood why so many people are against neutering/spaying. Cats are much more settled after it, it massively reduces spraying and fighting. It stops the spread of feline aids and many other nasty feline illnesses and generally makes for a happier cat. I don't think there's any rescue or tnr group in Ireland that isn't completely swamped with unwanted kittens/cats.

My dad was against neutering when we had our first cat. Over the course of the first year of his life, the cat was always getting into fights and getting infections from the feral cats that were attacking him. He'd come home bleeding sometimes. Eventually he got pneumonia and the vet said that he would likely not survive the night. Cat survived, dad realised how much of an idiot he'd been and finally neutered our cat. Never had any problems since, with that cat or the other cats we've had.

I honestly don't understand why people are against neutering. I truly hope damagegt neuters the kitties, for their health and wellbeing.


As for the litter trays, I'd say he doesn't like the new brand of litter! Maybe you could try reverting to the old brand and see if he's still ok with it. That way you can rule out other reasons. Some cats don't like sharing litter trays, or don't like where they are placed.

Nody

damagegt wrote: »

Now on to a new problem.Tusk just wont use the litter trays at all any more .Hell go beside them,in the same room,floor,couch you name it.When we got him first this wasn't a problem.We have changed his brand of litter in the last week could that be the cause of it ?
The trays are cleaned 2-3 times a day.He has no problem weeing in them.The dogs arent eating from them any more.I cant figure it out.

Well he clearly wants to go as he goes there but goes around the toilet instead; this means he got some issue and one common cause is the brand. Try to go back to the old brand and see what happens; for example depending on type it may hurt his paws (very common with silicon type for example) or smell wrong (parfumed is a big no go for toilet litter).

damagegt

The only reason I don't agree with it is thats in completely unnatural but I also know it has to be done and when its finbarrs time to head out into the world he'll be taking a trip to the vet first.

As for Tusk,he has his own tray in the ensuite thats only used by him.Most of the time he doesn't even make an attempt to go to the tray.For example he was just sitting beside me on the couch.I went to the kitchen and he woke up,pooped and went back to sleep beside it.Doesn't try bury or hide it in any way.

They don't sell the brand I was using at the start.I just bought some Cat's Best Öko Plus cat litter so Ill see how that goes.

Frito

So Tusk uses the litter tray only for urinating? Does he bury his urine? If he does then I'd suggest putting extra litter in the tray -the level may not be deep enough for him to bury faeces to his satisfaction, or a larger tray or separate tray for faeces.
If he doesn't bury his urine in the litter tray then maybe it's the type of litter you're using.
I would probably try different litter first as the cheaper option.

Also he perhaps smells where he has defecated outside of the tray, and perhaps cleaning the area hasn't got rid of the smell.

Is (Tusk's!) ensuite far away? Is his stool solid or very hard?

Demonique

nicki11 wrote: »

Love this thread but why would you neuter Finbar, hes gorgeous and mischievous and an indoor cat so its not like he'd get around, my cat was fine, other then his partner Mr Tibs (teddy bear) he never bothered anyone and more Finbar's would be lovely when hes older. With females it makes sense (the marking) with them but none of my friends with male indoors cats haven't had issues also as long as they aren't humping guests incessantly I'm not in favor of it. Theres also this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AGFev2BmnhE

Hope you enjoy the smell of cat piss in your home then

damagegt

Frito wrote: »

So Tusk uses the litter tray only for urinating? Does he bury his urine? If he does then I'd suggest putting extra litter in the tray -the level may not be deep enough for him to bury faeces to his satisfaction, or a larger tray or separate tray for faeces.
If he doesn't bury his urine in the litter tray then maybe it's the type of litter you're using.
I would probably try different litter first as the cheaper option.

Also he perhaps smells where he has defecated outside of the tray, and perhaps cleaning the area hasn't got rid of the smell.

Is (Tusk's!) ensuite far away? Is his stool solid or very hard?

The ensuite is on the same floor as him,he doesn't come down stairs much.The tray is 3/4 full of litter and yes he urinates in it .Iv tried a second tray for him but he just wont use it.All messes are cleaned and disinfected with a natural disinfectant as soon as I find them.Hopefully the litter change will sort it out

nicki11

Demonique wrote: »

Hope you enjoy the smell of cat piss in your home then

Only had a problem with spraying with a stray and that was anxiety based, as he'd also hide, eventually he got used to us and trusted us and stopped doing it and a cat tree can help if they are hostile as it lets them look around and he was much happier.

damagegt wrote: »

The only reason I don't agree with it is thats in completely unnatural but I also know it has to be done and when its finbarrs time to head out into the world he'll be taking a trip to the vet first.

As for Tusk,he has his own tray in the en-suite that's only used by him.Most of the time he doesn't even make an attempt to go to the tray.For example he was just sitting beside me on the couch.I went to the kitchen and he woke up,pooped and went back to sleep beside it. Doesn't try bury or hide it in any way.

They don't sell the brand I was using at the start.I just bought some Cat's Best Öko Plus cat litter so Ill see how that goes.

I understand, how you feel I just don't like neutering when its not necessary because of the effect on the animal isn't always positive. When I went to college my parents neutered my dog and she was depressed for ages and still is sometimes (they just did it because of the mess during heat). I agree that strays should be neutered, to stop the spread of disease and uncontrollable populations, I'm personally not in favor of it with my own pets, though my parents live in the country so there isn't many other pets around for it to be an issue.

Thats just my experience though, ultimately your responsible for them and its your decision, all I can do is give advice and Finbar will still be cute either way

Nody

nicki11 wrote: »

I understand, how you feel I just don't like neutering when its not necessary because of the effect on the animal isn't always positive. When I went to college my parents neutered my dog and she was depressed for ages and still is sometimes (they just did it because of the mess during heat). I agree that strays should be neutered, to stop the spread of disease and uncontrollable populations, I'm personally not in favor of it with my own pets, though my parents live in the country so there isn't many other pets around for it to be an issue.

Thats just my experience though, ultimately your responsible for them and its your decision, all I can do is give advice and Finbar will still be cute either way

Except you know the cats themselves who has no issue with incest etc. and the number of offspring they will produce (as an idea a single pair can over 7 years produce 370.000 cats with their offspring), or the increased chance for cancer, or the spraying, or the howling. But you know, except for minor issues like that there's no reason...

Frito

damagegt wrote: »

The ensuite is on the same floor as him,he doesn't come down stairs much.The tray is 3/4 full of litter and yes he urinates in it .Iv tried a second tray for him but he just wont use it.All messes are cleaned and disinfected with a natural disinfectant as soon as I find them.Hopefully the litter change will sort it out

Are you disinfecting with a pet odour neutraliser?
Good luck with the litter change, keep us posted.

sillysmiles

nicki11 wrote: »

When I went to college my parents neutered my dog and she was depressed for ages

I would hazard a guess that you dog's change in mood was as much due to change in circumstances and you being gone than neutering. My dog stopped eating for days when I left home first. It's a big change for them.

Sorry for the off topic

damagegt

sillysmiles wrote: »

I would hazard a guess that you dog's change in mood was as much due to change in circumstances and you being gone than neutering. My dog stopped eating for days when I left home first. It's a big change for them.

Sorry for the off topic

Dont worry about it,all sorts have been discussed in this thread
Ill get some new photos up for you all this evening.
About Tusk.Iv been at home the last few days and Iv been religious with him,picking him up and bringing him to the tray and hes doing much better.I think he just got lazy.
We'll see if the litter change helps abit more.
The disinfectant, its a low percentage teatree oil and water mix.It doesn't put them off and gets the job done.

nicki11

Nody wrote: »

Except you know the cats themselves who has no issue with incest etc. and the number of offspring they will produce (as an idea a single pair can over 7 years produce 370.000 cats with their offspring), or the increased chance for cancer, or the spraying, or the howling. But you know, except for minor issues like that there's no reason...

I acknowledged health reasons, Tusk and Finbar are both male so can't produce offspring together and neither could my two male cats, it reduces some risks of cancer and increases others. I never said anyone had to follow my experience I was just sharing my experience, its your pet and your decision. If your never going to breed your pet and it has behavioural or health issues and spaying/neutering will help then it makes sense to do so but it isn't a cure all solution to everything, pets can still have issues after the surgery and the surgery is a surgery and carries the usual risks so if talking to other people helps you make a decision or affirms your decision why is it wrong for me to offer an opinion.

sillysmiles wrote: »

I would hazard a guess that you dog's change in mood was as much due to change in circumstances and you being gone than neutering. My dog stopped eating for days when I left home first. It's a big change for them.

Sorry for the off topic

Not really shes usually happier when I'm home sure enough but other then sitting next to me she seemed very depressed even though it had been a couple of weeks since the operation and she didn't want to play or go for a long walk. I'd also been at college for two years before my parents neutered her so it wasn't that.

Demonique

nicki11 wrote: »

I acknowledged health reasons, Tusk and Finbar are both male so can't produce offspring together and neither could my two male cats, it reduces some risks of cancer and increases others.

An unneutered male could still escape from its home and father kittens though

knarkypants

Get him neutered. You don't want to end up like this...:pac:

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=10152325993971006&fref=nf