Brandao ban length?

dreamers75

Im sure most have seen it but anyway (not EPL so can post the vine)

Brandao of Bastia played PSG today and after an incident on the pitch, Brandao waited in the tunnel after the game. Headbutts Thiago and runs away like a little girl.

Thiagos nose apparently broken and PSG want him banned for life.

http://www.bbc.com/sport/0/football/28784282

Paris St-Germain want Bastia striker Brandao banned for life after he appeared to headbutt Thiago Motta in the tunnel after Saturday's 2-0 win.

using Suarez as an example of heat of the moment mentalness, Brandao waited in the tunnel so a bit of thought went into it. I would bann him for a year mainly because he ran away.

TheNumpty

I'd imagine a ban of 8-10 games. It was a ridiculous act of cowardice. Maybe his club could take action and even sack him while the transfer window is still open.

LuckyLloyd

A few games, five maybe?

Tipsy McSwagger

It's assault and he should have been arrested.

ShamoBuc

He waited for him, premeditated ....assault....arrest him .....fine him .....ban him for the rest of the season, unpaid if at all possible.

dreamers75

Just noticed he is 34 so a "life" ban could apply, French FA are as inconsistent as any other for bans.

djPSB

Jaysus thought it was Brendao Rodgers you were on about for a sec.

Ferris_Bueller

If Suarez got banned for 4 months then I'd imagine this should be around 6? Scumbag thing to do and can't blame the heat of the moment, as other posters have said if it was on the street he would be put in jail.

Pro. F

The premeditation makes it a lot worse. I suppose a season ban would be about right.

Dempsey

There is premeditation to confront Motta but it cant be proved at this point in time that he had premeditation to headbutt.

He was completely in the wrong, it was cowardly but a life ban from the sport is disproportionate.

yohan the great

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

A few games, five maybe?

5 games ffs,this is way worse than Suarez. Also he should be banned for being so cowardly

Duncan Ferguson received a jail sentence for a headbutt in Scotland years ago. Can't remember the ban. 15 games or you iirc.

Headbutts are vicious if they connect properly

Washington Irving

yohan the great wrote: »

5 games ffs,this is way worse than Suarez. Also he should be banned for being so cowardly

You seem to be implying football's governing bodies are in any way consistent in their punishments. It should be longer than Suarez' ban but I won't hold my breath. The incident occurring off the pitch may change things however.

LuckyLloyd

yohan the great wrote: »

5 games ffs,this is way worse than Suarez. Also he should be banned for being so cowardly

Suarez should have got ~5 games too imo. I'm afraid I have no capacity for moral outrage here.

CSF

This has nothing to do with Suarez and shouldn't be treated as such.

Due to the pre-meditated nature of the assault I think it should be criminal proceedings he faces first.

Mickeroo

That's assault, should be out of the French FA's jurisdiction and dealt with by the police imo.

Mickeroo

Mickeroo wrote: »

That's assault, should be out of the French FA's jurisdiction and dealt with by the police imo.

Probably needs to be dealt with by both.

Mickeroo

Mickeroo wrote: »

That's assault, should be out of the French FA's jurisdiction and dealt with by the police imo.

Exactly, its got to be on the same level as someone getting assaulted in the stand or outside the stadium. Vicious that he waited for tiago in the tunnel.

Vinz Mesrine

I see Lloyd is still playing the "it's a man's game" card, so embarrassing.

CSF

rarnes1 wrote: »

Probably needs to be dealt with by both.

Definitely, but usually the police investigation has to be first, at least I thought so.

Mickeroo

rarnes1 wrote: »

Probably needs to be dealt with by both.

True that, though I would see any punishment on their part as fairly secondary.

ctrl-alt-delete

Vinz Mesrine wrote: »

I see Lloyd is still playing the "it's a man's game" card, so embarrassing.

Not as embarrassing as headbutting somebody and then running away.

LuckyLloyd

ctrl-alt-delete wrote: »

Not as embarrassing as headbutting somebody and then running away.

Right. Unmanly behaviour from him to say the least, but the culture of modern football produces footballers capable of same. Punitive bans won't make much difference imo.

CSF

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

Right. Unmanly behaviour from him to say the least, but the culture of modern football produces footballers capable of same. Punitive bans won't make much difference imo.

What exactly is manly behaviour?

CSF

Like in my opinion the people who consider the running away to be the worst part of what Brandao did, to me have issues.

Would it somehow have been better if he had stayed to continue assaulting Thiago 'like a man'

Kirby

6 month ban. Anything less would be a mistake.

Chancer3001

Fellaini head butted shaw cross full force in the face last year. He got 3 games.

Kirby

Chancer3001 wrote: »

Fellaini head butted shaw cross full force in the face last year. He got 3 games.

One is on pitch and seen by the ref, one is off the pitch and not. There is a difference.

He waited for him in the tunnel. They aren't the same thing.

Chancer3001

Who cares if a ref has seen it?

And on a pitch or beside a pitch is always not that much of a difference. Being 10 yards left or right makes little difference when you're getting head butted in the face

rob316

If he headbutted him on the pitch I'd look at it more lenient and you put it down as heat of the moment but this was premeditated assault off the pitch.

A matter for the french police it should be if Thiago wants to press charges.

eagle eye

Chancer3001 wrote: »

Who cares if a ref has seen it?

And on a pitch or beside a pitch is always not that much of a difference. Being 10 yards left or right makes little difference when you're getting head butted in the face

If it happens on the pitch during a game its almost certainly not premeditated but when it happens that you wait for somebody and do that then its totally different. It means the guy had time to think and decided on his actions and its a criminal act.

Should be dealt with by the French police and then when those proceedings are finished it should be dealt with by the French FA. They can suspend him from playing football while waiting for his charges to be dealt with.

Chancer3001

So Roy Keane pre deciding to kick haaland should have ended with Keane in jail too?

Decided to do it. Admitted that. Assaulted him.

People going completely over the top

Gringo180

Chancer3001 wrote: »

So Roy Keane pre deciding to kick haaland should have ended with Keane in jail too?

Decided to do it. Admitted that. Assaulted him.

People going completely over the top

Im no fan of Keanes but this incident is totally different circumstances, it was off the field of play and it was a planned attack. Its assault and he should definitely be charged by the police the dirty pig.

LuckyLloyd

CSF wrote: »

What exactly is manly behaviour?

None of what your man did anyway, that's for sure.

Chancer3001

Keane was also a planned assault.

This "off the field of play" argument is so weak. It was like 10 feet off it. Right there in the tunnel.

What difference does it make whether they're standing on the grass or not?

It's not like he's on the street two days later. It's still heat of the moment (ish) from the game.

I'd ban him for 10 games. But I'd ban all headbutts for that time. Fellaini included

CSF

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

None of what your man did anyway, that's for sure.

No really. What is manly behaviour?

Ajfunky

The problem is the fact that we are deciding what should be done in "proportionate terms", assuming that football associations have always made the right choice - which couldnt be further from the truth.

The bans for racism vs injuries have been disgraceful. The handling of things like Suarez and Keane has been disgraceful. We are willing to let people away with things on a football pitch that we wouldnt let a teenager away with in the heat of the moment. 95% of all footballers don't get into crap like this, id rather see the 5% who have to let all this get to their heads be thrown out of the game altogether, regardless of their respective talents.

If my average pay for playing two hours football is $50,000, I think Id be able to deal with someone on a rival team being less than pleasant with me. Lord knows anyone who's worked with the general public has been pissed off more than once at minimum wage without having to headbutt, bite or dropkick someone. Examples need to be made of these idiots.

aodea

Ajfunky wrote: »

The problem is the fact that we are deciding what should be done in "proportionate terms", assuming that football associations have always made the right choice - which couldnt be further from the truth.

The bans for racism vs injuries have been disgraceful. The handling of things like Suarez and Keane has been disgraceful. We are willing to let people away with things on a football pitch that we wouldnt let a teenager away with in the heat of the moment. 95% of all footballers don't get into crap like this, id rather see the 5% who have to let all this get to their heads be thrown out of the game altogether, regardless of their respective talents.

If my average pay for playing two hours football is $50,000, I think Id be able to deal with someone on a rival team being less than pleasant with me. Lord knows anyone who's worked with the general public has been pissed off more than once at minimum wage without having to headbutt, bite or dropkick someone. Examples need to be made of these idiots.

I dont think a wage has anything to do with it, plenty of people have ended up assallting people in all walks of life. Many people have moments of madness that lead to viloence when maybe before they had no previous signs of this. in this case the player has lost it and waited to attack another player. its not heat of the moment as such but he clearly has not had long enough to step away from situation and calm down. Its irrelvant to what he earns, im sure there are plenty of wealthy people who have attacked someone.

Just because you earn a certain amount does not change your overall personality or how you react to certain situations. You say that these players have let it get to thier heads but i would imagine in a lot of cases its not as simple as that. Underlying factors based on upbringing, background, psychological make up play a massive part.

If i earn 50,000 a week i may still headbutt someone who said something about my wife or family in the heat of the moment. The money would not be factor in my thinking at that moment of time.

The Mig

http://www.theguardian.com/football/2014/sep/19/brandao-bastia-six-month-ban-headbutt-thiago-motta

21 Ligue 1 games!

dreamers75

1 month in Jail too

http://www.bbc.com/sport/0/football/30232691

Augmerson

dreamers75 wrote: »

1 month in Jail too

http://www.bbc.com/sport/0/football/30232691

Damn.

Only a month?

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He won't see the inside of a jail cell. The article says as much.