Would you shoot a random stranger for 2 million euros??

dar100

Tail Docker wrote: »

It's a good job everyone answered no as otherwise there would be people getting shot dead all day every day around the world.

You don't watch the news I take it

Vincent Vega

theteal wrote: »

Not to get all serious in AH but every random stranger has some sort of family or group of loved ones. I've spent the last day and a half dealing with my devastated OH over a shock to the family that happened Friday night. I've never seen such pain and wouldn't wish it upon anyone.

So, eh, no.

The fact of it being a stranger makes it a straight no for me.
Not knowing just what I had done would consume my mind from then on. Whether they had left behind loved ones or what their life was.

If it was a known person... maybe.

Perhaps this person wishes to die anyway, has been feeling in unlivable circumstances for many years but didn't feel up to taking their own life or has a condition that means their death is imminent.

Maybe upon knowing the person they would request that you kill them, and give a percentage of the money to their family or loved ones.

UCDVet

As long as I wouldn't get caught / nobody would know / I was 100% sure I would get the money and it would be legally mine without any complications....I would do it.

I don't know if I could stab someone to death...but I do think I could shoot someone. I would prefer if I didn't have to see their face though.

The thing is, as unpopular as this sounds - human life is pretty cheap. People die, every day, of preventable causes. I don't even mean complicated medical stuff like, 'If only they had 500k for a brain operation'. People are LITERALLY starving TO DEATH, right now.

Most of us have a very skewed perspective of wealth. If you make more than 7.5k EUR per year, you are in the TOP 1% of global earners.

If you believe that all life is equally valuable, it makes a LOT of sense to kill the stranger. I'd do it, keep one million for myself and use one million to save lives. I'd save thousands of lives by providing vaccines, medical care, food/water to people who need it. I wouldn't personally do those things, but donating the money will get the job done.

The net gain is I'm saving thousands of people from a horrible, painful death, but I'm left knowing I've killed someone who didn't deserve it. The million I keep for myself will cover the emotional damage I might do to myself. Still, I think it's clearly in the best interest of the most people, particularly myself.

Chattastrophe!

UCDVet wrote: »

As long as I wouldn't get caught / nobody would know / I was 100% sure I would get the money and it would be legally mine without any complications....I would do it.

I don't know if I could stab someone to death...but I do think I could shoot someone. I would prefer if I didn't have to see their face though.

The thing is, as unpopular as this sounds - human life is pretty cheap. People die, every day, of preventable causes. I don't even mean complicated medical stuff like, 'If only they had 500k for a brain operation'. People are LITERALLY starving TO DEATH, right now.

Most of us have a very skewed perspective of wealth. If you make more than 7.5k EUR per year, you are in the TOP 1% of global earners.

If you believe that all life is equally valuable, it makes a LOT of sense to kill the stranger. I'd do it, keep one million for myself and use one million to save lives. I'd save thousands of lives by providing vaccines, medical care, food/water to people who need it. I wouldn't personally do those things, but donating the money will get the job done.

The net gain is I'm saving thousands of people from a horrible, painful death, but I'm left knowing I've killed someone who didn't deserve it. The million I keep for myself will cover the emotional damage I might do to myself. Still, I think it's clearly in the best interest of the most people, particularly myself.

What if you ended up killing the person who would otherwise have gone on to cure AIDS or cancer? Or the person who would grow up to be a multi-millionaire, and would have ended up donating a hell of a lot more to those charities than you ever could?

ShadowHearth

Yup. I would do it for money though, not for the thrill of murder.

UCDVet

Chattastrophe! wrote: »

What if you ended up killing the person who would otherwise have gone on to cure AIDS or cancer? Or the person who would grow up to be a multi-millionaire, and would have ended up donating a hell of a lot more to those charities than you ever could?

That's possible.
It's also possible that I kill the next Hitler.

The only reasonable way to act is to use the most reasonable, expected situation. A person selected at random, from the population of the Earth, is most likely to be quite average.

Pat Mustard

UCDVet wrote: »

The thing is, as unpopular as this sounds - human life is pretty cheap.

Jaysus UCDVet, your posts are very interesting, but you put a dollar sign on everything. It's a very bleak outlook.

You need enough money to pay your bills, but surplus money isn't what makes people happy.

Family and friends are the important things that make people happy, outside of things like health, hobbies and work.

I wouldn't shoot a randomer. The money is beside the point for me.

Not everything has a price tag.

Oink

Macavity. wrote: »

It's an awful lot of money.

Is it though, thats the thing. Seems to me that 2 mill would melt away way faster than the after taste of murdering someone. I'd never do it anyway, but in my current situation where I'm getting by ok, if I was only offered 2m i'd laugh in their face.

Ruu

This would be televised? Only if it was hosted by Henry Kelly.

BetterThanThou

Can I have a choice of random stranger? Like for instance if one random stranger was in front of me and I didn't want to shoot them, could I ask for a different one? Until I found one that I deemed suitable to shoot? If it was a waster who doesn't contribute anything to society and could potentially be better off dead, then I'd consider it. But if it was a good person with a family who contributes to society, then I don't think I could.

Archeron

Ruu wrote: »

This would be televised? Only if it was hosted by Henry Kelly.

Going for....MURDER....The heat is on, the time is right.

daRobot

No chance.

TheBrinch

Happily

mad muffin

The Mustard wrote: »

Jaysus UCDVet, your posts are very interesting, but you put a dollar sign on everything. It's a very bleak outlook.

You need enough money to pay your bills, but surplus money isn't what makes people happy.

Family and friends are the important things that make people happy, outside of things like health, hobbies and work.

I wouldn't shoot a randomer. The money is beside the point for me.

Not everything has a price tag.

Says the Mod for outdoor pursuits. Ya big hippie ya

Bigus

Gran Hermano wrote: »

Takes 2 million in cash
Pays local scumbag 50k to perform a hit
Profit

But you could be the random hit then :eek:

Faux Socialist

A guy from the local slaughterhouse came to speak to my class when I was in chef college. The guys job was to personally kill the cattle that came there and he admitted to killing hundreds of cattle with an instrument similar to the one used in 'No Country for Old Men'.

Never in my life have I seen such a look of guilt and murder in someone's eyes and this was long before I became a vegetarian.

AgileMyth

karma_ wrote: »

A packet of jaffa cakes and a hearty handshake?...

Make it two packets and a quick tug and you're on.

dremo

Wow your life will never be the same and it will only get worse after.. no money will bring poor soul back. Besides you not doing that bad? What could you be missing that you need money so badly? New flat screen tv, new ipod, car? Happiness are not in money no matter how convincing it looks.

cloud493

Nope. Cant take the money to prison with you. Or the grave.

Talib Fiasco

Definitely... I'd shot more than one person for 2 million.

Pat Mustard

mad muffin wrote: »

Says the Mod for outdoor pursuits. Ya big hippie ya

To quote a bigger man than I, on the additional benefit of two million dollars:

"Money doesn't make you happy. I now have $50 million but I was just as happy when I had $48 million."
--Arnold Schwarzenegger

:pac:

cloud493

Its all about context though. Could I shoot and kill someone for money, in cold blood? Not a chance. Could I even shoot and kill someone whose done bad stuff, like a paedophile or a rapist? No.
Could I shoot and kill someone who was going to kill me? Or hurt my sister. I think I could. Or rather, I wouldn't think about it.

FloatingVoter

Yes. Next question.

LorMal

If the random person was Louis Walsh. (and you can keep the money)

beks101

UCDVet wrote: »

The thing is, as unpopular as this sounds - human life is pretty cheap.

What if it's your mother you have to shoot? Human life isn't so cheap then, is it.

Jesus Wept

thelad95 wrote: »

Such a hypothetical situation would literally never arise.

Whst a revelation. Say more stuff.

UCDVet

beks101 wrote: »

What if it's your mother you have to shoot? Human life isn't so cheap then, is it.

My Mother's life is precious *to me*. Sure. To a handful of people that know her? Sure. To the world as a whole? Not so much.

The question wasn't whether or not I'd shoot my own mother for 2 million...it was whether or not I'd shoot a random person. My answer even said that I'd ONLY take the deal if it was truly random. So the odds of randomly selecting my mother is 1 / 7 billion (actually, slight more than 7 billion). I'm not so good with maths, so correct me if I'm wrong but, mathematically, even if I killed 3.5 billion people - slightly less than half the Earth's population, the odds are still better than 50/50 that my Mother would be spared.

1/7 billion is astronomically small. I'm far more likely to accidentally kill my mother by driving her to dinner than by randomly killing someone.

It's also worth pointing out that, the million euro I donate to charity, would save hundreds or thousands of Mothers too.

corner of hells

What if the person Ive to shoot , shoots back as Im moving in for the kill , supposing I get shot too .

berrygood

Naw, the guilt would finish me off. I wouldn't be able to enjoy my money.

berrygood

UCDVet wrote: »

The thing is, as unpopular as this sounds - human life is pretty cheap.

Disagree. You can't put a price on it.

WellThen?

I'd do it if I could shoot them in the foot and give them 1 million for their trouble.

Pat Mustard

WellThen? wrote: »

I'd do it if I could shoot them in the foot and give them 1 million for their trouble.

You must be a lawyer. :pac:

Ah sure I'd shoot them with a water pistol and turn up with a wheelbarrow to collect my two mill.

Fair play.

Capt'n Midnight

The problem is that most likely you'd have to kill a person with a suitcase containing €2m.

Just like they did ....

UCDVet

berrygood wrote: »

Disagree. You can't put a price on it.

I'd argue that people constantly put a price on life.
http://factcheckinginjusticefacts.wordpress.com/2012/01/16/asmaa-al-hameli/

Tweet: Every minute 18 people die of starvation in the world
Verdict: Mostly True

You can visit the URL for the sources if you care.

Every day we implicitly show that we'd rather have a few euro in our pockets than save the lives of starving people. By not giving the money to buy the food that would save those lives, we're putting a price on those lives.

But coming at it from a different angle - even if we say that each life is worth some immeasurably large figure X. 1,000X will always be larger than 1X.

Killing a person at random is -1X
Donating a million euro is (at least) + 1,000X

Even if one million euro only saves 1,000 lives...the net difference is +999X
999 Lives saved verse 1 life lost.

berrygood

UCDVet wrote: »

I'd argue that people constantly put a price on life.
http://factcheckinginjusticefacts.wordpress.com/2012/01/16/asmaa-al-hameli/

Oh, I know people do. Personally, I don't think you can. I don't think you can weigh up a life against money.

aqn29swlgbmiu4

Yes yes 100% yes

UCDVet

berrygood wrote: »

Oh, I know people do. Personally, I don't think you can. I don't think you can weigh up a life against money.

Do you own a computer?
Pay for UPC to access the internet?
Have a fancy cell phone?

If you do - you are implicitly putting a price on human life. We know that if you sold those things or stopped purchasing them, you could donate that money to a charity or use it to directly provide aid to someone that we know WILL DIE if nobody helps them.

People are dying right now, from lack of food. I'm about to go to bed, and when I wake up, in that time, people will have starved to death. Any of us in the 1st world could save those lives by reducing our standard of living. Since we don't, our actions, are showing we care more about our day-to-day niceties than saving the lives of strangers.

And that's fine. I'm not condemning anyone. I'm no different. I'm saving money for a house, it's just sitting in a bank account. I could buy a lot of starving people food, but I don't. The cost of feeding those starving people is higher than the value of their lives to me. And everyone who could, but doesn't help them, is saying the same thing.

We all put a monetary amount on other people's lives, every time we buy a cup of coffee from Starbucks.

berrygood

UCDVet wrote: »

Do you own a computer?
Pay for UPC to access the internet?
Have a fancy cell phone?

If you do - you are implicitly putting a price on human life. We know that if you sold those things or stopped purchasing them, you could donate that money to a charity or use it to directly provide aid to someone that we know WILL DIE if nobody helps them.

People are dying right now, from lack of food. I'm about to go to bed, and when I wake up, in that time, people will have starved to death. Any of us in the 1st world could save those lives by reducing our standard of living. Since we don't, our actions, are showing we care more about our day-to-day niceties than saving the lives of strangers.

And that's fine. I'm not condemning anyone. I'm no different. I'm saving money for a house, it's just sitting in a bank account. I could buy a lot of starving people food, but I don't. The cost of feeding those starving people is higher than the value of their lives to me. And everyone who could, but doesn't help them, is saying the same thing.

We all put a monetary amount on other people's lives, every time we buy a cup of coffee from Starbucks.

Well there's a difference in our hypothetical situation where we kill someone for 2 million vs living your life in the society and culture you are born into.

I can't save the world. I can't feed every starving person, nor heal every sick person. If it was within my capacity to do so, I would. I'm just about managing to support myself.

Let's say you were to use your house money and feed those that are hungry. When the money runs out, they go back to being hungry. A short term solution to a long term problem. Rather than lower the standard of one life, why not raise the standard of the other? Why not get to the root problem.

There isn't a need for people to be living in third world standards. Not in 2014. Greed deprives a lot of people of a suitable standard of life and in some cases it actually deprives a person of their life.

I couldn't kill someone for any amount of money. I value human life. There is no amount of money that can equate to it. It's priceless.

con___manx1

I heard the going rate in gang land was 20000

ManofStraw

Yes, I honestly believe that I would do it for 2 mil. It would be easier if they couldn't talk/cry but I believe that I would do it.

nc19

Wanderer2010 wrote: »

All these threads on guns and intruders etc lately, what about this one: If you had to shoot and kill a random adult who you dont know at all and were guaranteed to get away with it scot free i.e. no consequences, and you were handed 2 million euros for doing it, would you? I would like to say YES, especially in these times of ours but Im not sure I would have it in me.

Does it have to be a stranger? Do I have to use a gun?

I can think of at least 10 people I could happily beat to death with my bare hands and I would not lose a moments sleep over them

no internet bravery bollìx....im 100% genuine