AI Final 07/09/14. Tipp v Kilkenny

Rightwing

Has a familiar ring to it at this stage. Make no mistake about it, the 2 best teams in the country are in the final.

Tipp have had 1 test all season (v Limk), they narrowly failed it. Similarly, KK had only 1 test, again v Limk. They narrowly passed it. This suggests a close final.

KK have won somthing like 10/11 of the last meetings between them. I'm sticking with Tipp, they have the forwards to win it, but unlike the semi-final, they'll need to be at their best to win it.

Best of luck to both teams.

Mod note: If anyone if looking to buy/sell/swap tickets for the All Ireland Hurling Final, please post in this thread to avoid derailing discussion about the match itself.

zombieHanalei

Heh, interesting timing :P

dastardly00

Based on recent meetings, there will be probably more goals than points scored at the end of the match :pac:

This is going to be unreal!

RobertKK

A Kilkenny double win will do me in September.

phkk

Can't wait for All-Ireland now, should be some battle

phkk

Can't wait for All-Ireland now, should be some battle

Gentleman Off The Pitch

If Kilkenny win, which Tipp player do you think will get man of the match?

Rightwing

KK are 4/6 to win. A 2 point handicap and then Tipp are marginal favourites.

savannahkat

Gentleman Off The Pitch wrote: »

If Kilkenny win, which Tipp player do you think will get man of the match?

Lar Corbbet for keeping Tommy Walsh scoreless after Tommy coming off the bench for the last ten minutes.

Fort Stranger

Here goes 31 counties plus Warwickshire, London and New York shouting for Tipp but we don't care. I do think we would have been motivated to give cork an awful bating if we had met them after last year but unfortunately I don't think they will get within an asses roar of a final for a long time now. I said it earlier in the year that for all the bull about cork and Clare last year, they happened to be in the right place at the right time when we had injuries and had knocked Tipp out. Bad news for the rest of ye but I think there could be another two or three years of Tipp/Kilkenny domination in store ha ha

Mountainlad

Fort Stranger wrote: »

Here goes 31 counties plus Warwickshire, London and New York shouting for Tipp but we don't care. I do think we would have been motivated to give cork an awful bating if we had met them after last year but unfortunately I don't think they will get within an asses roar of a final for a long time now. I said it earlier in the year that for all the bull about cork and Clare last year, they happened to be in the right place at the right time when we had injuries and had knocked Tipp out. Bad news for the rest of ye but I think there could be another two or three years of Tipp/Kilkenny domination in store ha ha

I don't agree with you at all, but I think we should focus on the actual match in this thread.

thelad95

3rd replay in a row anyone?

The Lost Sheep

Fort Stranger wrote: »

Here goes 31 counties plus Warwickshire, London and New York shouting for Tipp but we don't care. I do think we would have been motivated to give cork an awful bating if we had met them after last year but unfortunately I don't think they will get within an asses roar of a final for a long time now. I said it earlier in the year that for all the bull about cork and Clare last year, they happened to be in the right place at the right time when we had injuries and had knocked Tipp out. Bad news for the rest of ye but I think there could be another two or three years of Tipp/Kilkenny domination in store ha ha

That first sentence isn't true. Where is there that idea on this forum or elsewhere?
I don't think there will be 2/3 years of Tipperary/Kilkenny domination. Cork/Limerick etc will be there or there abouts in this time.

thelad95 wrote: »

3rd replay in a row anyone?

No. Will be won on the day

Amprodude

KK will win this I think. They won 10 of last 11 meetings so that tells me KK know they can beat Tipp. I seriously would question Tipps forwards such as McGrath and Corbette. JJ will keep Callanan in his pocket. Who is going to step up for Tipp If Callanan and Bubbles don't perform?

Amprodude

Fort Stranger wrote: »

Here goes 31 counties plus Warwickshire, London and New York shouting for Tipp but we don't care. I do think we would have been motivated to give cork an awful bating if we had met them after last year but unfortunately I don't think they will get within an asses roar of a final for a long time now. I said it earlier in the year that for all the bull about cork and Clare last year, they happened to be in the right place at the right time when we had injuries and had knocked Tipp out. Bad news for the rest of ye but I think there could be another two or three years of Tipp/Kilkenny domination in store ha ha

Clare and Cork could only beat who was in front of them last year. Unfortunately Tipp and KK weren't within an asses roar of the AI last year. Tipp beaten twice last year so enough said.

Dubliner28

KK by 5-7 pts

Mushy

Gonna go with a KK win, had predicted them to do it from the start so not going to change. Never thought it'd be Tipp they'd play in the final, but delighted they got there.

Should be a belter, with no more than 3 points in it.

tobothehobo

being a kilkenny man i'd have to go for my own county but this is a tough one to call. tipp looked very sharp yesterday even if cork were flat. i don't think tipp will get the freedom in midfield or up front that they got against cork. the high ball into the tipp forward line was havoc for cork in the first half but i can't think of any better backs thean jj and jackie under that kind of ball. all in all it has the makings of a cracker. now to find a ticket.

earlytobed

Impossible to call. Who will "turn up", who will play well, will one set of forwards click.....should be high scoring if both sets of forwards play to their potential. If I had to put money on it I would go for Kilkenny;)

dzer2

earlytobed wrote: »

Impossible to call. Who will "turn up", who will play well, will one set of forwards click.....should be high scoring if both sets of forwards play to their potential. If I had to put money on it I would go for Kilkenny;)

In all the times that these teams have met over the last 10 yrs both have turned up. Some savage matches in the last 5 yrs when ever they have met. Just have an idea KK will be better equipped to handle tipps forwards than any other team they have met. It is a hell of a long time since Kilkenny have won a big match when the heavens have opened and it didn't look so good last Sunday week but they dug so deep it was awesome. I just wonder have tipp used all their shooting exceptional points total quota yesterday. You get one game every so often that every thing you hit goes over the bar. See a very close game up to 10 minutes left then KK to pull away.

MfMan

tobothehobo wrote: »

being a kilkenny man i'd have to go for my own county but this is a tough one to call. tipp looked very sharp yesterday even if cork were flat. i don't think tipp will get the freedom in midfield or up front that they got against cork. the high ball into the tipp forward line was havoc for cork in the first half but i can't think of any better backs thean jj and jackie under that kind of ball. all in all it has the makings of a cracker. now to find a ticket.

Actually, I thought it didn't. A lot of long, high Tipp deliveries in the first half were spilled by the recipient and cleared on the break by the Cork defence. A lot of Tipp scores in this period came as a result of more structured moves. The delivery in the second half to the Tipp forwards was more targeted and an increased rate in the scoring resulted.

In the drawn game v Galway, KK didn't deal with the long, high ball too well. Tactics changed for that replay.

At this remove I'm shading slightly towards Tipp but will think more about it as the day approaches.

earlytobed

dzer2 wrote: »

In all the times that these teams have met over the last 10 yrs both have turned up..

Notable exception 2012 All Ireland Semi (Lar and Tommy show):D

Amprodude

earlytobed wrote: »

Notable exception 2012 All Ireland Semi (Lar and Tommy show):D

Lar didnt turn up either yesterday.

dzer2

earlytobed wrote: »

Notable exception 2012 All Ireland Semi (Lar and Tommy show):D

Maybe, maybe not but it was one hell of a first half Tipp were a point up at half time.

donnem33

after watching the way tipp came from behind and defeated galway, i predicted they would go on and win the all ireland. dont see any reason to change my opinion now!

tobothehobo

MfMan wrote: »

Actually, I thought it didn't. A lot of long, high Tipp deliveries in the first half were spilled by the recipient and cleared on the break by the Cork defence. A lot of Tipp scores in this period came as a result of more structured moves. The delivery in the second half to the Tipp forwards was more targeted and an increased rate in the scoring resulted.

In the drawn game v Galway, KK didn't deal with the long, high ball too well. Tactics changed for that replay.

At this remove I'm shading slightly towards Tipp but will think more about it as the day approaches.

i have to agree with you on the first day against galway our backs were poor. but in the 3 games since they have been very good.( i thought they were very good in the replay, they weren't under much pressure against dublin but only for they were so solid against limerick we would have lost that game). you have to remember that tipp conceded a lot of goals early in the championship and many had written off the tipp back line. i don't think anyone could say a bad word about them now. i for one can see a serious battle on all ireland sunday and can't wait.

tobothehobo

Amprodude wrote: »

Lar didnt turn up either yesterday.

no he didn't get a sniff of it and drove one(of very few for tipp) very bad wide. he can be hot or cold but when he's on form he is seriously dangerous.
i thought against us last year he looked like a savage threat until he was forced to go off.

GerB40

tobothehobo wrote: »

no he didn't get a sniff of it and drove one(of very few for tipp) very bad wide. he can be hot or cold but when he's on form he is seriously dangerous.
i thought against us last year he looked like a savage threat until he was forced to go off.

Re watch it. Larry did a great job at being a general nuisance. Drawing backs away from their positions thus creating goal opportunities.
Clearly that won't work against KK but that bit of versatility could do wonders against the cats..

But yeah, he'll have to find his best form to justify his place on that panel..

Rightwing

donnem33 wrote: »

after watching the way tipp came from behind and defeated galway, i predicted they would go on and win the all ireland. dont see any reason to change my opinion now!

Best team in the country when they hit their peak. KK won't be able to stop them if they get going.

Blondie919

I have to say I think Tipp will win. I felt it before the 2010 Final and I have the same feeling today. I think 2014 will be Tipp's year. If they play like they did yesterday then I think they will win. Although KK are still the benchmark, I think they are not as good as they used to be. This feeling could well be wishful thinking but I'll enjoy for the next few weeks.

bruschi

It's a hard one to call. 2 teams going hell for leather. It'll come down to which ever defence gets on top.

Whoever concedes the least should win it.

Mountainlad

bruschi wrote: »

It's a hard one to call. 2 teams going hell for leather. It'll come down to which ever defence gets on top.

Whoever concedes the least should win it.

John Allen, is that you?

PaulKK

bruschi wrote: »

Whoever concedes the least should win it.

You might be on to something there

Amprodude

bruschi wrote: »

It's a hard one to call. 2 teams going hell for leather. It'll come down to which ever defence gets on top.

Whoever concedes the least should win it.

good accurate analysis there. Hurling will be the winner.

DEFTLEFTHAND

Difficult to say, Tipp seem to be peaking at the right time but KK still have had the edge over them in games played over the last couple of years.

Hopefully it lives up to the hype and both teams play to their potential.

Vanolder

The fact of the matter is Tipp are very solid from 2-7. Their keeper had a decent day Sunday but I don't need to comment on how bad Cork were so still a lot of question marks there. Again, their midfield did well Sunday but same as the goal keeper. Tipps problem is their forwards, they're grand when given time and space and when a game is over but when it comes down to a battle they are windy as can be. KK's defence can indeed be got at-But Tipp will need to be very clever in possession if they are to win. They will need over-lapping runs/support play and to play short slick hurling at times + some decent long range shooting But if Tipp hit aimless ball like they were at Sunday KK will clean house. Tipp are where they are on merit, but the only real test for them all year was Limerick- which they allowed descend into a physical battle and lost. Likewise, when Dublin put it up to em physically for ten minutes they got well on top but missed a peno and Tipp then goaled against the run of play...KK will make this a low scoring physical battle and will win it.

Mantis Toboggan

Vanolder wrote: »

The fact of the matter is Tipp are very solid from 2-7. Their keeper had a decent day Sunday but I don't need to comment on how bad Cork were so still a lot of question marks there. Again, their midfield did well Sunday but same as the goal keeper. Tipps problem is their forwards, they're grand when given time and space and when a game is over but when it comes down to a battle they are windy as can be. KK's defence can indeed be got at-But Tipp will need to be very clever in possession if they are to win. They will need over-lapping runs/support play and to play short slick hurling at times + some decent long range shooting But if Tipp hit aimless ball like they were at Sunday KK will clean house. Tipp are where they are on merit, but the only real test for them all year was Limerick- which they allowed descend into a physical battle and lost. Likewise, when Dublin put it up to em physically for ten minutes they got well on top but missed a peno and Tipp then goaled against the run of play...KK will make this a low scoring physical battle and will win it.

As a tipp man its hard to disagree with this. I suppose the hope is that tipp can deal physically with kk. I thought our use of the ball was very good on Sunday, lots of short intelligent passing, intelligent running, probably our best performance in years in terms of our style of play. We will need to produce more of that under more pressure against kk. Not easy to do but we are capable of it.

robbiezero

dzer2 wrote: »

I just wonder have tipp used all their shooting exceptional points total quota yesterday. You get one game every so often that every thing you hit goes over the bar.

That was hardly on Sunday. Noel McGrath alone hit 4 fairly poor wides. The two midfielders and Bubbles hit some nice points alright, but I wouldn't have said too many of the Tipp scores were exceptional. Corks woeful shooting probably made them look good.

robbiezero

MfMan wrote: »

Actually, I thought it didn't. A lot of long, high Tipp deliveries in the first half were spilled by the recipient and cleared on the break by the Cork defence. A lot of Tipp scores in this period came as a result of more structured moves. The delivery in the second half to the Tipp forwards was more targeted and an increased rate in the scoring resulted.

Would agree. I thought 1-7 and a 2 point lead at half time was quite a poor return for the amount of ball hit in, especially given that the goal came from 2 mistakes by Cork backs more so than good play from Tipp.
As you said Tipp's delivery was much better in the second half.

porgie_georgie

Is there any hope at all that tickets will go on sale to the general public via tickets.ie or ticketmaster or will it all be through the clubs?

longshotvalue

porgie_georgie wrote: »

Is there any hope at all that tickets will go on sale to the general public via tickets.ie or ticketmaster or will it all be through the clubs?

No Hope at all.. Thank feck i got season tickets the last few year its a nightmare looking for 4 tickets..

Hotfail.com

Can't see past Kilkenny, unfortunately.

Hotfail.com

porgie_georgie wrote: »

Is there any hope at all that tickets will go on sale to the general public via tickets.ie or ticketmaster or will it all be through the clubs?

Always through the clubs for AI finals, half the country would like a ticket.

Charlie69

Hotfail.com wrote: »

Can't see past Kilkenny, unfortunately.

Why unfortunately? just curious

Hotfail.com

Charlie69 wrote: »

Why unfortunately? just curious

Because I'm from Cork and have Tipp relatives.

:P

Ah it was only in jest really, if they win it they win it.

rockonollie

So will Lar spend the day standing on the sideline near the Kilkenny bench?

Amprodude

rockonollie wrote: »

So will Lar spend the day standing on the sideline near the Kilkenny bench?

If JJ goes on Lar he will destroy him. Is Callanan strong physically for JJ? He surely has a height advantage?

rockonollie

Amprodude wrote: »

If JJ goes on Lar he will destroy him. Is Callanan strong physically for JJ? He surely has a height advantage?

Callanan definitely has the height advantage, but JJ throughout his career has been dominant in the air.....height isn't everything. It's certainly an interesting matchup

Amprodude

rockonollie wrote: »

Callanan definitely has the height advantage, but JJ throughout his career has been dominant in the air.....height isn't everything. It's certainly an interesting matchup

JJ must have some power in his legs that he can compete in the air. He cleaned Dan Shanahan out in 2004 in the semi.

Mountainlad

Amprodude wrote: »

JJ must have some power in his legs that he can compete in the air. He cleaned Dan Shanahan out in 2004 in the semi.

He's a good three inches taller than Tommy Walsh was. Shane Walsh took for two goals in 2009.

Has improved a lot as a full back since then. Would say Tyrell would be on Corbett (if he starts) and Murphy will probably track Bubbles. Someone will likely lose out from the Tipp team after Sunday for Michael Cahill.

robbiezero

Mountainlad wrote: »

He's a good three inches taller than Tommy Walsh was. Shane Walsh took for two goals in 2009.

Has improved a lot as a full back since then. Would say Tyrell would be on Corbett (if he starts) and Murphy will probably track Bubbles. Someone will likely lose out from the Tipp team after Sunday for Michael Cahill.

I don't think Mikie Cahill will start the All-Ireland. If he wasn't fit Sunday why would you risk bringing on an injured player when the game was over. Very tough on him but a great option for us off the bench.