AI Final 07/09/14. Tipp v Kilkenny

babyjesus14

Amprodude wrote: »

Chance now for Tipp to put this to bed. They are the better team and need to deliver next day out.

On the grounds that they haven't beaten us in 4 years?!

babyjesus14

babyjesus14 wrote: »

On the grounds that they haven't beaten us in 4 years?!

That will count for nothing on the 27th. Its a new game and its anyones. Who ever wants it enough or even whoever just gets those breaks of the ball will take it. I would doubt Kilkenny were too caught up in tradition when they achieved their second championship win over us in 90 years back in 2002

babyjesus14

Deleted User wrote: »

Some times less is more tbh. Ye have the ideal structure if you ask me. We by right should have been aiming for half of what we have. Many of our 32 are barely good enough for intermediate let alone senior but as they say the pen is mightier than the sword and politics within have created this absurd situation. A few years ago clubs could apply for Senior status and relegation was scrapped. A recipe for disaster.

We have the opposite problem, not enough teams playing at Senior level with the result that good underage players like Kevin Kelly, Joe Brennan, Richie Doyle, Brian Kennedy, Ger Aylward haven't made the progress expected which could be attributed to playing Intermediate/Junior hurling.

babyjesus14

babyjesus14 wrote: »

We have the opposite problem, not enough teams playing at Senior level with the result that good underage players like Kevin Kelly, Joe Brennan, Richie Doyle, Brian Kennedy, Ger Aylward haven't made the progress expected which could be attributed to playing Intermediate/Junior hurling.

Yeah I see the problem with that also tbf.
I think the best of both worlds would be to allow the few combo clubs at Senior level whilst at the same time not going overboard with the numbers.

There is alot of good hurlers with junior clubs and in particular in South Tipperary who will never get the same opportunity of playing for the county at Senior level because of the level they play at so from that point of view I would advocate a few combo teams in order to give the best players of these junior clubs a chance to gain senior experience and maybe catch the eye of senior management.

There is 66 Adult hurling clubs in Tipperary and 32 of them are Senior but most in name only.

A fella from Gortnahoe often tells me that he watches the local derbies between St Lachtains and the Emeralds and is highly impressed with the intensity levels of these affairs. I wouldnt tinker about too much with the current system if i was Kilkenny.

Fwank wizzo

[Deleted User] wrote: »

We're certainly as good

On Sunday ye lads were,no doubt about it.
Over the last few years,I wouldn't be so sure
Anyway,apart from a classic in terms of skill and edge of the seat excitement,
one aspect struck me and that's all of Tipps players (bar G.ryan) had games in which they could hold their heads up high after.None of them had below a 7/10 score.Theres no doubt about that.Even the subs contributed.
Where as on the KK side...Tyrell,Holden,B.Hogan,michael & Colin Fennelly,Walter Walsh had games in which I'd rate them between a 5/10 and 3/10.
Delaney,fogarty and Larkin I'd rate at 6/10.
The subs did nothing.
As for the 2 Murphys,Buckley,richie hogan(in second half) power and Tj...only for them then KK would have been hammered.
Was it a question of only playing as much as you are let or was it one of those days when only a few players could be happy with their efforts and the others were flat?
Difficult to answer,but I think
if KK get more than 6 players performing to the required standard the next day,along with a few changes(positional and personnel) then I could see them winning.
Will Tipp/KK perform to those standards again?

babyjesus14

Deleted User wrote: »

Yeah I see the problem with that also tbf.
I think the best of both worlds would be to allow the few combo clubs at Senior level whilst at the same time not going overboard with the numbers.

There is alot of good hurlers with junior clubs and in particular in South Tipperary who will never get the same opportunity of playing for the county at Senior level because of the level they play at so from that point of view I would advocate a few combo teams in order to give the best players of these junior clubs a chance to gain senior experience and maybe catch the eye of senior management.

There is 66 Adult hurling clubs in Tipperary and 32 of them are Senior but most in name only.

A fella from Gortnahoe often tells me that he watches the local derbies between St Lachtains and the Emeralds and is highly impressed with the intensity levels of these affairs. I wouldnt tinker about too much with the current system if i was Kilkenny.

I've posted elsewhere on this subject but the gist of it is, from the '08 - '10 minor teams nearly 70% of the starters in those 3 finals came from Intermediate/Junior clubs. 7 players from those years got game time last sunday, Fogarty, Buckley, Holden, P Walsh, J Power( senior clubs) E Murphy and W Walsh (intermediate clubs) Progress seems to be stalling somewhere a long the line, maybe divisional teams are the answer.

Charlie69

babyjesus14 wrote: »

I've posted elsewhere on this subject but the gist of it is, from the '08 - '10 minor teams nearly 70% of the starters in those 3 finals came from Intermediate/Junior clubs. 7 players from those years got game time last sunday, Fogarty, Buckley, Holden, P Walsh, J Power( senior clubs) E Murphy and W Walsh (intermediate clubs) Progress seems to be stalling somewhere a long the line, maybe divisional teams are the answer.

TBF 7 players from 3 minor teams is not a bad return. considering there are more to come from the 2010 team

babyjesus14

Charlie69 wrote: »

TBF 7 players from 3 minor teams is not a bad return. considering there are more to come from the 2010 team

Really? Who would you be hopeful of making the breakthrough?

Charlie69

babyjesus14 wrote: »

Really? Who would you be hopeful of making the breakthrough?

Kevin Kelly's a cert, would also think G Alyward, Luke Harney, R Reid and Tucker Hanrahan still have an outside chance.

babyjesus14

Charlie69 wrote: »

Kevin Kelly's a cert, would also think G Alyward, Luke Harney, R Reid and Tucker Hanrahan still have an outside chance.

Was of the same opinion bout Kelly a few years back not so sure now. Alyward seems to have gone backwards also. Reid would be the one i'd be most hopeful of out of that lot, and playing senior club will be a big advantage.

Charlie69

babyjesus14 wrote: »

Was of the same opinion bout Kelly a few years back not so sure now. Alyward seems to have gone backwards also. Reid would be the one i'd be most hopeful of out of that lot, and playing senior club will be a big advantage.

Don't lose faith, Kelly will make it, I think Geoff Brennan has a chance too.

Speak Now

Deleted User wrote: »

I would doubt Kilkenny were too caught up in tradition when they achieved their second championship win over us in 90 years back in 2002

Hey it was only 80 years lol!

At this stage Kilkenny and Tipp have played as many times between 2002 and 2014 as they did the previous 80 years. The matches between the 2 rivals were unfortunately too few and far between in bygone days. Cant wait for the next installment.

babyjesus14

Charlie69 wrote: »

Don't lose faith, Kelly will make it, I think Geoff Brennan has a chance too.

You from Ballyragget by any chance? lol

Charlie69

babyjesus14 wrote: »

You from Ballyragget by any chance? lol

No

Realt Dearg Sec

Charlie69 wrote: »

No

That was so blunt I'd have to guess Conahy...

Charlie69

Realt Dearg Sec wrote: »

That was so blunt I'd have to guess Conahy...

Didn't mean to be so blunt there, not from Conahy and have no prob with Ballyragget,:)and would love to see both of these players fulfilling their potential,especially Kelly, the best freetaker and striker of the ball in the County imo.

mystic86

what was the official attendance at the drawn game? thanks.

babyjesus14

mystic86 wrote: »

what was the official attendance at the drawn game? thanks.

82,179.

Mountainlad

Charlie69 wrote: »

Croke Park doesn't play slower in the rain though, in fact if anything it plays faster as the ball zips off the surface.

I'ts not like pitches of old where the sod got heavy and slow after rain, Croker remains very firm and but slippy which actually makes it harder for older legs to turn quickly and keep their feet.

Wet ball is harder to control but more importantly players will turn slower in the rain due to the slippery underfoot conditions.

I would also think that a dry ball will move faster as it would be lighter than a wet ball. If you're a back you have one advantage in that you are facing away from goal and even if the forward gathers has to turn to take you on which when slowed down gives you more of a chance to bottle them up.

I take your point on slipping which could happen anyone but I think its no coincidence that scores are higher when its sunny and I think pace thrives on dry conditions. A lot of Tipps game revolves around movement and running at defenders with the ball and I feel that given the margin for error when it's wet would disadvantage them in that regard.

realdanbreen

babyjesus14 wrote: »

82,179.

I was a bit surprised when that flashed up on the screen. There were a good few empty seats in the upper stands.

babyjesus14

realdanbreen wrote: »

I was a bit surprised when that flashed up on the screen. There were a good few empty seats in the upper stands.

Might have been Limerick fans who left after the Minor or hopefully tickets paid for by touts that they couldn't shift? But it was officially sold out.

Charlie69

Mountainlad wrote: »

Wet ball is harder to control but more importantly players will turn slower in the rain due to the slippery underfoot conditions.

I would also think that a dry ball will move faster as it would be lighter than a wet ball. If you're a back you have one advantage in that you are facing away from goal and even if the forward gathers has to turn to take you on which when slowed down gives you more of a chance to bottle them up.

I take your point on slipping which could happen anyone but I think its no coincidence that scores are higher when its sunny and I think pace thrives on dry conditions. A lot of Tipps game revolves around movement and running at defenders with the ball and I feel that given the margin for error when it's wet would disadvantage them in that regard.

You could be right but as you say Tipps game revolves around movement and I don't want to see pacy forwards running at Brian Hogan or Jackie Tyrell making them change direction on a wet pitch as there's only one winner in that scenario.

Kilkenny have a very poor record in Croke Park on wet days so I for one will be hoping for good weather.

GAAman

joebloggs32 wrote: »

Who gave those odds. I backed it with PP this morning and got 10/1

Sorry only seeing this now, I don't know who it was with (I'm not a gamblin man) the lads were on their phones so it was online anyway. They were shouting the price changes to me during the match.

dzer2

babyjesus14 wrote: »

Might have been Limerick fans who left after the Minor or hopefully tickets paid for by touts that they couldn't shift? But it was officially sold out.

Hogan stand tickets for sale 20 minute before the game at 30 euro each. Id say a good few touts got roasted as they were paying face value at 12.

realdanbreen

I had a dream last night that Tipp won bu 8 points. Should I have a bet on it?

babyjesus14

realdanbreen wrote: »

I had a dream last night that Tipp won bu 8 points. Should I have a bet on it?

Go for it! I love seeing Tipp men losing money!!

realdanbreen

babyjesus14 wrote: »

Go for it! I love seeing Tipp men losing money!!

The dream was very realistic though. It even showed Brian Cody grabbing Marty Morrissey by the throat at the end of the game interview !

babyjesus14

realdanbreen wrote: »

The dream was very realistic though. It even showed Brian Cody grabbing Marty Morrissey by the throat at the end of the game interview !

Sure, see if you can get a price on that as well!

Triboro

realdanbreen wrote: »

I had a dream last night that Tipp won bu 8 points. Should I have a bet on it?

Stay dreamin......cheaper!!!

fed up sick and tired

realdanbreen wrote: »

I had a dream last night that Tipp won bu 8 points. Should I have a bet on it?

Yes, absolutely.

Signed

P. Power

realdanbreen

realdanbreen wrote: »

The dream was very realistic though. It even showed Brian Cody grabbing Marty Morrissey by the throat at the end of the game interview !

He'd never get all that orange tan off his hands :pac:

citykat

realdanbreen wrote: »

I had a dream last night that Tipp won bu 8 points. Should I have a bet on it?

Who does Lar follow in your dreams?

citykat

citykat wrote:

Who does Lar follow in your dreams?

The rebound

realdanbreen

citykat wrote: »

Who does Lar follow in your dreams?

Not Tommy Walsh anyway, unless he goes to search for him in the dugout.

Fwank wizzo

realdanbreen wrote: »

Not Tommy Walsh anyway, unless he goes to search for him in the dugout.

Wouldn't surprise me if he did after the antics the last time.Sure wasn't he supposed to be hiding in the bushes at Tommys wedding? Could have sworn I saw a picture of him somewhere trying to get in the guard of honour

Hammer Archer

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