Manchester United Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread - Mod Note in OP, 25/08

Maximus Alexander

Nuts102 wrote: »

What are the positives well not many could argue that Jones and Blackett have been our best players in the first two games.

Injuries really are killing us at the moment look at the difference in quality with everyone fit.

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DDg

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Jones

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Evans

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Rojo

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----Rafael

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Shaw

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Herrera

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Carrick

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Mata

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Rooney

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RVP

Depending on how Rojo works out, and if there was some suitable backup for Carrick, that would be a pretty solid team. Add in Januzaj, Di Maria and Welbz on rotation up front and we'd be in good shape if it wasn't for injuries.

Mitch Connor

homerjay2005 wrote: »

Vidal rumours are going to go into overdrive now and its going to run until deadline day.

hopefully the s*ite thats gone on in the last 2 games is enough to finally get our act in gear and get the signings finally done.

I really hope it doesn't go to deadline day - it would be poor management if it is allowed to do so.

We have to get someone in - with De Jong being spoken of by a few (Ogden most noteworthy) as the backup target to Vidal. If Vidal fails, we need to ensure we have time to actually go for the backup option - if it is allowed to run to the last day, it may be too late to do other deals.

NoelJ

Nuts102 wrote: »

What are the positives well not many could argue that Jones and Blackett have been our best players in the first two games.

Injuries really are killing us at the moment look at the difference in quality with everyone fit.

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DDg

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Jones

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Evans

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Rojo

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----Rafael

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Shaw

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Herrera

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Carrick

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Mata

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Rooney

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RVP

How often is the first 11 fit though? Take out and of those back 5 and there are problems.

Backstreet Moyes

People can laugh if they want but Cleverley, Fletcher, Young and Valencia are the standard of players who should be starting for teams battling relegation. All four need to phased out of the team none of them should be starting for United.

Rooney again yesterday and Mata had to drop so deep to receive the ball and then none of these four are showing for the ball. Their is no point having world class players so far up the pitch if the players behind them can't give them any sort of service.

Backstreet Moyes

Hococop wrote: »

We don't even need to play Di maria. That's some confidence out of us

When i see Di Maria holding up the United jersey then i will put him in potential teams it won't surprise me if we mess up this deal.

redbaron_99

Nuts102 wrote: »

People can laugh if they want but Cleverley, Fletcher, Young and Valencia are the standard of players who should be starting for teams battling relegation. All four need to phased out of the team none of them should be starting for United.

Rooney again yesterday and Mata had to drop so deep to receive the ball and then none of these four are showing for the ball. Their is no point having world class players so far up the pitch if the players behind them can't give them any sort of service.

Spot on. The four of them should be pushed out of the club. As long as these guys are in the team, we will get performances like yesterday.

Spazdarn

Nuts102 wrote: »

People can laugh if they want but Cleverley, Fletcher, Young and Valencia are the standard of players who should be starting for teams battling relegation. All four need to phased out of the team none of them should be starting for United.

Rooney again yesterday and Mata had to drop so deep to receive the ball and then none of these four are showing for the ball. Their is no point having world class players so far up the pitch if the players behind them can't give them any sort of service.

Completely agree with this, so frustrating seeing RVP and Rooney coming back into CM to collect the ball. When they're trying to bring people into the game, there is no one up the field to receive it.

Cleverley just happy to be on the pitch.

Maximus Alexander

redbaron_99 wrote: »

Spot on. The four of them should be pushed out of the club. As long as these guys are in the team, we will get performances like yesterday.

For some reason though, football managers seem to love them a bit of Antonio Valencia. He must have a really good private investigator digging up dirt on each manager.

KH25

Maximus Alexander wrote: »

For some reason though, football managers seem to love them a bit of Antonio Valencia. He must have a really good private investigator digging up dirt on each manager.

Valencia infuriates me. He is one of the worst players in the league. He does absolutely nothing. He can't cross a ball anymore other than smashing it low along the ground.

People say he is good defensively. He's not. He constantly loses his man. The sooner he is out of the first team the better.

MagicIRL

Can we go and kidnap Mata? I don't like thinking he feels sad playing with TC23 in midfield. Oh Mata, my Mata.

Spazdarn

Maximus Alexander wrote: »

For some reason though, football managers seem to love them a bit of Antonio Valencia. He must have a really good private investigator digging up dirt on each manager.

He's only got one trick and one foot. Don't know how he wasn't found out that season where he did well.

CR 7

At least yesterday he was making more of an attempt to get to the byline and cross the ball sometimes instead of only running to the corner and passing it back to cleverley.

FutureGuy

Have a nice week. Hugs. Juan.


Dreamy.

Professional Griefer

ADM meant to be arrive around lunch time according to SSN

Giggsy11

Sky Sports Football ✔ @SkyFootball

Angel Di Maria will fly in at lunchtime to undergo a medical ahead of a British record £63.9m move to Man Utd.

Hococop

Giggsy11 wrote: »

Sky Sports Football ✔ @SkyFootball

So assuming its true he could be unveiled tonight

Maximus Alexander

Giggsy11 wrote: »

Sky Sports Football ✔ @SkyFootball

£63.9m I can just about get behind. :cool:

redbaron_99

The burnley right full is currently having a panic attack.

MagicIRL

redbaron_99 wrote: »

The burnley right full is currently having a panic attack.

He's planning on passing to his CM and watching him turn United inside out! :pac:

Giggsy11

Sport Witness ‏@Sport_Witness 1m

Di Maria refused to join PSG, even if Real Madrid could sort a deal, because he wanted Manchester United move. [AS]

Maximus Alexander

I can see it now:

*Ring ring*

"Ciao?"

"Hello Arturo, we have decided we would like to bring you to Manchester. You'll have the opportunity to play alongside stars like Robin Van Perise, Juan Mata, Wayne Rooney and Angel Di Maria."

"Sound like an exciting prospect Mr Van Gaal. Who will be my midfield partners?"

"Sometimes Ander Herrera."

"Great."

"Other times Michael Carrick."

"I can dig it."

"But mostly Tom Cleverley."

*Click*

Giggsy11

Maximus Alexander wrote: »

£63.9m I can just about get behind. :cool:

That is including add ons. 5 Million related to performance, 5 Million is we win PL, 5 Million if we win 2 CLs.

Crimson King

People can say what they want about Valencia, he will be kept by VG as he is fast and that's what he wants. a high tempo game is what he wants but is mot getting anymore.

The three players bought and the fourth about to be bought are all fast players who play their game with high tempos. The other midfielder purchase VG eventually makes will also be like that too, which is why Vidal is perfect and I feel more confident this week about at least one more midfield acquisition.

However with 3 of our possible 5 Centre backs all made of glass, its imperative that another purchase is needed. Otherwise the dark days of playing Fletcher and Carrick back there might return.

My own two cents on Di Maria, Real are a mad mad club. The man is recognised as being their second best player, and was instrumental in their success last year. Ancelletti clearly wanted to keep him, yet Perez does what he does best. Sell at a high price and bring in another Superstar. Delighted for United, he is a genuinely world class player. This is where United need to be, and my hope is that its the start of a new era. LVG is trying to do something special at the club and I hope the club back him all the way.

kryogen

GSPfan wrote: »

Genuine question here about who starts in a 4 3 3 if we sign DiMaria and maybe a CM like Vidal.

De Gea
Rafael Jones Evans Shaw
Herrera Mata Vidal
Januzaj Rooney DiMaria

Would that be the most likely first 11 if everyone is fit and its a major game? RVP is likely to be benched if we are honest as Rooney is now a certain starter as captain and he doesn't offer much out wide.

Mata being part of a midfield 3 but further forward than the other 2. DiMaria and Januzaj providing the width and cutting inside when needed.

See it really is starting to feel like he is using the 352 formation only to get RVP Rooney and Mata in the same team. I wonder how long that will last.

De Gea
Raf Jones Evans Shaw
Herrera Mata Carrick/new midfielder
Di Maria Rooney RVP

is an option.

Though I am unsure about Raf since he has been omitted even though he is fit.

Maximus Alexander

Giggsy11 wrote: »

That is including add ons. 5 Million related to performance, 5 Million is we win PL, 5 Million if we win 2 CLs.

Including as in the base fee is £48.9m, or including as in it could rise to £78.9m? (I know including means the former, but people get this wrong sometimes )

Not doubting you, but where did you hear this?

Backstreet Moyes

KH25 wrote: »

Valencia infuriates me. He is one of the worst players in the league. He does absolutely nothing. He can't cross a ball anymore other than smashing it low along the ground.

People say he is good defensively. He's not. He constantly loses his man. The sooner he is out of the first team the better.

It's why i scratch my head when people were delighted Nani went on loan. Fair enough if you have quality but when your watch Young and Valencia do that every game the mind boggles.

kryogen

SlickRic wrote: »

after RVP's post-match interview on BBC, I'm more surprised than ever that he's not captain tbh.

Didn't see any of the post match stuff yet, anyone a link to said interview (or any of them for that matter?)

Backstreet Moyes

Watching a match in a pub these days in unbearable. I seriously can not wait until we sort Di Maria another signing or two and get back to winning games.

Backstreet Moyes

How long is Fellaini out for would like to see him starting next week if he is back.

Mitch Connor

will be interesting to see the team tomorrow.

At a guess, I would say

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Amos
--Keane-Jones-Blacket
Rafael

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James
---Cleverley-Anderson

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Kagawa
---Welbeck--Hernandez

Wilson, Powell, Fletcher, Rooney, Evans, Young, Johnstone

Mitch Connor

Nuts102 wrote: »

How long is Fellaini out for would like to see him starting next week if he is back.

scan today, i think.

markcahill1985

Mitch Connor wrote: »

will be interesting to see the team tomorrow.

At a guess, I would say

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Amos
--Keane-Jones-Blacket
Rafael

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James
---Cleverley-Anderson

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Kagawa
---Welbeck--Hernandez

Wilson, Powell, Fletcher, Rooney, Evans, Young, Johnstone

Would like to see Wilson, Pearson and Powell play rather than the likes of hernandez anderson and cleverley, the young lads deserve a chance and wont hide

Copper_pipe

Saw a lad in lifestyle sports ordering a " di maria 7" shirt. He's tempting fate....

Giggsy11

Maximus Alexander wrote: »

Including as in the base fee is £48.9m, or including as in it could rise to £78.9m? (I know including means the former, but people get this wrong sometimes )

Not doubting you, but where did you hear this?

Sergi Domínguez @FutbolSergi · 17h

Di Maria fee believed to be circa €75m + €15 incentives. €5m based on performances + €5m if Man United win PL + €5m if Man United win 2 UCL.

Guillem Balague @GuillemBalague · 23h

The price for di María (in euros): United offered 60m, Real wanted 90. Final figure: 80 million, including adds on. £63.9m

homerjay2005

Giggsy11 wrote: »

That is including add ons. 5 Million related to performance, 5 Million is we win PL, 5 Million if we win 2 CLs.

really?

that doesnt sound so bad then if true!

markcahill1985

Mata has 7 goals in his last 8 games for us, thats soem going yet he barely feels like he is involved in any of the games, nothing going on around him yesterday and whenever he got the ball he had no options to play it on, think he will be a serious player with a bit of pace around him, Januzaj and Di Maria on either side of him would be devastating, I fear though that he will be the one dropped rather than RVP and Rooney.

Maximus Alexander

Copper_pipe wrote: »

Saw a lad in lifestyle sports ordering a " di maria 7" shirt. He's tempting fate....

Still feeling sorry for that kid I saw a couple of weeks ago with the new shirt and "Januzaj 44" on the back. His dad has a lot to answer for.

Pyjamarama

homerjay2005 wrote: »

really?

that doesnt sound so bad then if true!

All prices include add ons. I don't think anyone knows what they are right now tho. Most are usually very attainable.

Maximus Alexander

Giggsy11 wrote: »

Sergi Domínguez @FutbolSergi · 17h


Guillem Balague @GuillemBalague · 23h

I need to start doing twitter. News sites are too slow. :pac:

twam2008

Crimson King wrote: »

People can say what they want about Valencia, he will be kept by VG as he is fast and that's what he wants. a high tempo game is what he wants but is mot getting anymore.

The three players bought and the fourth about to be bought are all fast players who play their game with high tempos. The other midfielder purchase VG eventually makes will also be like that too, which is why Vidal is perfect and I feel more confident this week about at least one more midfield acquisition.

However with 3 of our possible 5 Centre backs all made of glass, its imperative that another purchase is needed. Otherwise the dark days of playing Fletcher and Carrick back there might return.

My own two cents on Di Maria, Real are a mad mad club. The man is recognised as being their second best player, and was instrumental in their success last year. Ancelletti clearly wanted to keep him, yet Perez does what he does best. Sell at a high price and bring in another Superstar. Delighted for United, he is a genuinely world class player. This is where United need to be, and my hope is that its the start of a new era. LVG is trying to do something special at the club and I hope the club back him all the way.

I was thinking about that over the weekend though, seems to be they always manage to keep the upper hand. They pay £60m for James Rodriguez who's just turned 23, and we buy Angel DiMaria for £64m, we get an excellent few years out of DiMaria, but they get Rodriguez and the sell him on for a shed load of money in a few years.

kryogen

Professional Griefer wrote: »

Anyone know where we would have finished last season without Rooneys goals & assists?

No, nobody can answer that kind of question.

Zico

It was only 8 months ago people were saying that Mata was going to do all the things people are predicting of Di Maria.

I read somewhere earlier that a player is never greater than when he's between speculation and arrival. That is soooo true.

redbaron_99

kryogen wrote: »

No, nobody can answer that kind of question.

I can. In a very dark place.

Giggsy11

homerjay2005 wrote: »

really?

that doesnt sound so bad then if true!

According to @GuillemBalague who I think broke the news first is saying 63.9 Million is including all the add ons.

Maximus Alexander

I hope everyone has their GIFs at the ready, we might be needing them this afternoon.

advertsfox

Maximus Alexander wrote: »

I hope everyone has their GIFs at the ready, we might be needing them this afternoon.

homerjay2005

mate of mine sent me this during the game yesterday...

Would the vanishing spray work on Tom cleverly !!!

titan18

twam2008 wrote: »

I was thinking about that over the weekend though, seems to be they always manage to keep the upper hand. They pay £60m for James Rodriguez who's just turned 23, and we buy Angel DiMaria for £64m, we get an excellent few years out of DiMaria, but they get Rodriguez and the sell him on for a shed load of money in a few years.

Think Di Maria is better than James tbh. He was probably only 2nd to Ronaldo last year in their side.

MagicIRL

homerjay2005 wrote: »

mate of mine sent me this during the game yesterday...

Could we pool our money to sell Tom Cleverley ourselves?

Spazdarn

titan18 wrote: »

Think Di Maria is better than James tbh. He was probably only 2nd to Ronaldo last year in their side.

A lot of great players performed well for them last year too... If the fee touted for him includes the add ons I'll be happy.

The chances of us winning the league, or winning 2 Champions league are almost non existent in the next year or two! So that's ten million recouped!