Manchester United Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread - Mod Note in OP, 25/08

TheDoc

And also as a seperate point, that the image above reminded me off, I'm somewhat suprised that no "big" club has moved for Lars Bender in the last 18 months.

On the cusp of being a German regular, and is impressive week in week out in Bundesliga.

Your Airbag

kippy wrote: »

Ballague does tonnes of radio interviews and blogs - he's definetly said these things.

As for the wiki article you posted earlier - thats hardly accurate?


Looks, he's full of sh1t - gets it right on occasion, more often than most to be fair but if you throw enough sh1t at the wall eventually some will stick.

I'm not going any further on this.

This. He has a lot of contacts in Spain and the UK, he gets a lot of calls right and some wrong. The trouble is he is usually ripped apart for the wrong calls as they are big ones and the right ones end up with so many sources repeating the deal as it gets done that his story gets lost in the crowd.

He is not someone to totally dismiss as a spoofer but I'd never take his word as gospel either. He has about a 65% right 35% wrong ratio imo. Worth keeping an eye on kind of journo because he might just have seomthing.

Maximus Alexander

keane2097 wrote: »

Fere libenter homines id quod volunt credunt

Is that not a redundant statement? :eek:

bangkok

Pro. F wrote: »

A wikipedia article proves nothing.

https://twitter.com/GuillemBalague/status/73080125754851328

https://twitter.com/GuillemBalague/status/32136608387960832

https://twitter.com/GuillemBalague/status/426062696216539136

Crimson King

Pro. F wrote: »

Imo he's a prime example of how a player can waste his career by choosing the wrong transfers.

Up there alright, if he just let Wenger steer him right whilst at Arsenal he could have been a real player.

Only 29 and already looking for his last pay day while he can.

Pro. F

TheDoc wrote: »

The bank holiday will come into play in relation to the players registration with the league, and acquiring the relevant work permits or documentation. However that normally is not done on the day of a transfer.

The club can proceed with negotiating personal terms and perform a medical, and other due dilligence, and compelte the deal tomorrow.

It may also come into effect based on where the clubs finances are held. Typically an organisation dealing in the revenue we are, have 365 "follow the sun" facilities, which means pretty much anytime.

But this is just speculation on my part, as I'd assume, from a financial standpoint, the club operate terms with financial institutions that provide services through a bank holiday.

I'd say the only issue with it being a bank holiday is the registration part in regards the league. But there is nothing to stop the club negotiating personal terms and completing the medical.

Ain't nobody got time to read that. Mitch and Lucas got the same point across in one sentence.

kryogen

bangkok wrote: »

haha I love when I googled balague and torres it went straight to redcafe where some one posted

"I heard him say Torres and Senna were done deals at United in 2007. I actually heard him say the words Torres is 100% coming. And Senna has joined us."

I presume this is the where the majority of your "sources" are coming from!!

You are also presuming anybody really cares if you accept he is a bull****ter or not also.

Two pretty poor assumptions friend.

Pro. F

bangkok wrote: »

https://twitter.com/GuillemBalague/status/73080125754851328

https://twitter.com/GuillemBalague/status/32136608387960832

https://twitter.com/GuillemBalague/status/426062696216539136

He is rarely the first to report anything and he also reports heaps of things that never come to pass.

irishfeen

I think bangkok fancies Guillem Balague... aww thats cute.

tossy

Can we drop the Balague is/isn't in touch debate? Who cares.

keane2097

Maximus Alexander wrote: »

Is that not a redundant statement? :eek:

Nothing Julius Caesar ever said is redundant.

Blatter

bangkok wrote: »

https://twitter.com/GuillemBalague/status/73080125754851328

https://twitter.com/GuillemBalague/status/32136608387960832

https://twitter.com/GuillemBalague/status/426062696216539136

Those claims are all fairly useless if other reliable sources had reported those deals before hand.

bangkok

Pro. F wrote: »

He is rarely the first to report anything and he also reports heaps of things that never come to pass.

but yet you cant show any of them to me......:rolleyes:

TheMilkyPirate

TheDoc wrote: »

The bank holiday will come into play in relation to the players registration with the league, and acquiring the relevant work permits or documentation. However that normally is not done on the day of a transfer.

The club can proceed with negotiating personal terms and perform a medical, and other due dilligence, and compelte the deal tomorrow.

It may also come into effect based on where the clubs finances are held. Typically an organisation dealing in the revenue we are, have 365 "follow the sun" facilities, which means pretty much anytime.

But this is just speculation on my part, as I'd assume, from a financial standpoint, the club operate terms with financial institutions that provide services through a bank holiday.

I'd say the only issue with it being a bank holiday is the registration part in regards the league. But there is nothing to stop the club negotiating personal terms and completing the medical.

You basically said the same thing twice for absolutely no reason, You could have got your point across in one paragraph probably shorter

Adamocovic

So it looks like Di Maria should be done soon, hopefully we can add another before the window is closed. De Jong or Blind would be nice.

Any ideas when Rojo will have his work permit?

And just found out I've got nominated three times for the ice bucket challenge today...must have done something to annoy my friends it seems..:pac:

kryogen

keane2097 wrote: »

Nothing Julius Caesar ever said is redundant.

Hmm

et tu brute was pretty redundant tbf, hardly very relevant at that point

Pro. F

bangkok wrote: »

but yet you cant be bothered to show any of them to me......:rolleyes:

FYP

bangkok

Christy Browne

TheMilkyPirate wrote: »

You basically said the same thing twice for absolutely no reason, You could have got your point across in one paragraph probably shorter

You're gonna have to step your game up if you wanna pass English this year Doc

Mitch Connor

My opinion on Balague is that he does have contacts in the game and he does get info before others. Not everything he says is BS.

However, like all journos, there will be occassions when he believes stuff from his sources that prove incorrect, or deals that he has predicted fall through.

It is utterly unreasonable to think any journo should have a 100% success rate with their stories, or that everything they run with is a BS guess that may get lucky.

As I have said before, some will be better than others at sifting through the bits of info sent their way, some will have contacts more likely to be on the ball - and of course you will get people taking a punt on a rumour they have heard in the hope it comes off.

kryogen

bangkok wrote: »

but yet you cant show any of them to me......:rolleyes:

Try reading again about Torres/Senna/Villa etc with your eyes open?

I suppose it could be the case that the majority are wrong, we haven't heard him on sky and read his blogs/tweets spouting rubbish, we are all having one big cosmic day dream together perhaps.

Pro. F

Mitch Connor wrote: »

My opinion on Balague is that he does have contacts in the game and he does get info before others. Not everything he says is BS.

However, like all journos, there will be occassions when he believes stuff from his sources that prove incorrect, or deals that he has predicted fall through.

It is utterly unreasonable to think any journo should have a 100% success rate with their stories, or that everything they run with is a BS guess that may get lucky.

As I have said before, some will be better than others at sifting through the bits of info sent their way, some will have contacts more likely to be on the ball - and of course you will get people taking a punt on a rumour they have heard in the hope it comes off.

What they said on Reddit about him being used as a mouthpiece by club chairmen seems to be the best fit to explain a lot of his behaviour.

Christy Browne

In fairness bangkok is providing sources while all ye're doing is shouting "YOU'RE WRONG LALALALALA" really loudly

tossy

That awkward moment when you click into the Liverpool discussion thread by mistake...



REVERSE!

bangkok

kryogen wrote: »

Try reading again about Torres/Senna/Villa etc with your eyes open?

I suppose it could be the case that the majority are wrong, we haven't heard him on sky and read his blogs/tweets spouting rubbish, we are all having one big cosmic day dream together perhaps.

all I want is a few sources?

bangkok

and I would like to add I know we were after torres, fergie even said about it in the book, but some are saying balague said it was a 100% done deal but yet cant back up that claim

Pro. F

Christy Browne wrote: »

In fairness bangkok is providing sources while all ye're doing is shouting "YOU'RE WRONG LALALALALA" really loudly

Nobody cares about convincing him.

bangkok

Pro. F wrote: »

What they said on Reddit about him being used as a mouthpiece by club chairmen seems to be the best fit to explain a lot of his behaviour.

who is "they" exactly??

Pro. F

bangkok wrote: »

who is "they" exactly??

The redditors.

Maximus Alexander

bangkok wrote: »

all I want is a few sources?

https://twitter.com/GuillemBalague/status/29088204068

January rolls around, Torres goes to Chelsea. :pac:

redbaron_99

bangkok wrote: »

and I would like to add I know we were after torres, fergie even said about it in the book, but some are saying balague said it was a 100% done deal but yet cant back up that claim

We went after him two summers in a row, and were very close before Liverpool got him.

Rooney, Torres and Ronaldo in attack would have been devastating.

Edit: but we had to settle for Blanka from Streetfighter II.

Your Airbag

bangkok wrote: »

who is "they" exactly??

Guys on a forum just like this one.

Iron clad proof in other words

Pro. F

Your Airbag wrote: »

Guys on a forum just like this one.

Iron clad proof in other words

I'm not taking their words as proof of anything. I said it seems to be the best fit to explain a lot of his behaviour. It's a theory that best fits the evidence of what I have seen and heard him say.

Spazdarn

bangkok wrote: »

SOURCE?!!

Source: Guillem Balague

twam2008

Adamocovic wrote: »

So it looks like Di Maria should be done soon, hopefully we can add another before the window is closed. De Jong or Blind would be nice.

Any ideas when Rojo will have his work permit?

And just found out I've got nominated three times for the ice bucket challenge today...must have done something to annoy my friends it seems..:pac:

Just did one, was grand so it was :eek:

KH25

Ah lads let's give up on the Ballague talk.

Di Maria is coming! Let's all be positive!

And somebody for the love of god post the Scarlett Johansson gifs again!

kryogen

bangkok wrote: »

all I want is a few sources?

Learn how to use the internet?

2 recent "errors"

Guillem Balague @GuillemBalague · Jul 26
Nobody can match the 65m euros and 8m net PSG has promised to pay for/to di Maria. So if they bring that money, he's theirs

He followed a tweet asking Arsenal fans if they were ready for some more good news with these

Guillem Balagula @ GuillemBalague · Jul 10
As well as Debuchy, AFC about to finalise a loan deal for Manquillo. Both for the right back position. Not huge names but clever picks


Guillem BalagueVerified account
‏@GuillemBalague
Manquillo is one step being loaned one year at Arsenal


Guillem Balagula @ GuillemBalague · Jul 10
Manquillo (At M) has been a regular international with the lower Spanish sides. Good defender, likes 2 go forward. AFC got option 2 buy him

That is it. That is all I will do, any more then use the internet properly yourself.

twam2008

One point from two games is our worst start since 1992/1993, we won the league that year.

KH25

advertsfox wrote: »

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You sir are a gentleman and a scholar.

keane2097

kryogen wrote: »

Hmm

et tu brute was pretty redundant tbf, hardly very relevant at that point

If you think anything the Bard said is ever redundant I feel worse for you than I do for Maximus :P

bangkok

kryogen wrote: »

Learn how to use the internet?

2 recent "errors"

Guillem Balague @GuillemBalague · Jul 26
Nobody can match the 65m euros and 8m net PSG has promised to pay for/to di Maria. So if they bring that money, he's theirs

He followed a tweet asking Arsenal fans if they were ready for some more good news with these

Guillem Balagula @ GuillemBalague · Jul 10
As well as Debuchy, AFC about to finalise a loan deal for Manquillo. Both for the right back position. Not huge names but clever picks


Guillem BalagueVerified account
‏@GuillemBalague
Manquillo is one step being loaned one year at Arsenal


Guillem Balagula @ GuillemBalague · Jul 10
Manquillo (At M) has been a regular international with the lower Spanish sides. Good defender, likes 2 go forward. AFC got option 2 buy him

That is it. That is all I will do, any more then use the internet properly yourself.

and he was correct at that time.... PSG couldn't afford to pay the money due to FFP and Arsenal were about to sign Manquillo had everything in place but then signed debuchy and he knew he would get no game time so went to Liverpool instead. not what I would actually call Bull****ting....

anyway time to move on from this whole debate

Spazdarn

bangkok wrote: »

and he was correct at that time.... PSG couldn't afford to pay the money due to FFP and Arsenal were about to sign Manquillo had everything in place but then signed debuchy and he knew he would get no game time so went to Liverpool instead. not what I would actually call Bull****ting....

anyway time to move on from this whole debate

I don't know how far his blog on skysports goes back but most of the incorrect rumours he's passed on are posted there.

Vic Vinegar

bangkok wrote: »

anyway time to move on from this whole debate

Best thing you've said all day!

magnumbud

ah lads what with all the doom and gloom around here.

whats to worry about our guardian angel will save us :pac:

i'll get my coat

brinty

Magic
where's my Anna and Upton Gif..

MagicIRL

Sorry, I lost all my gifs as soon as Ms. Dormer raised that eyebrow. I'm gonna' have a lay down. Lightheaded.

TheDoc

Pro. F wrote: »

Ain't nobody got time to read that. Mitch and Lucas got the same point across in one sentence.

TheMilkyPirate wrote: »

You basically said the same thing twice for absolutely no reason, You could have got your point across in one paragraph probably shorter

Seriously what's peoples beef with the legnth of my posts?

This isn't Twitter, its a forum, a discussion board, popular because it's a format to allow indepth discussion and actual writing.

If you havn't got time to read people's posts, your somewhat lost being involved in a discussion forum I'd say.

Spazdarn

TheDoc wrote: »

Seriously what's peoples beef with the legnth of my posts?

This isn't Twitter, its a forum, a discussion board, popular because it's a format to allow indepth discussion and actual writing.

If you havn't got time to read people's posts, your somewhat lost being involved in a discussion forum I'd say.

tl;dr

TheDoc

TheDoc wrote: »

Seriously what's peoples beef with the legnth of my posts?

This isn't Twitter, its a forum, a discussion board, popular because it's a format to allow indepth discussion and actual writing.

If you havn't got time to read people's posts, your somewhat lost being involved in a discussion forum I'd say.

Agree and no need for it.

It's funny because the last 20 twenty pages have been absolute ****e talk about Balueghe

Should be a happy day today

TheDoc

It's Monday, a big signing is a foot. In celebration, I'm only going to post one liners for the week. See how I get on.