Manchester United Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread - Mod Note in OP, 25/08

NTMK

I would have no problem being essentially real madrids castaway team

its nuts they would want rid of Illarramendi, Isco and Khedira, Alonso i can kinda understand

Id have all of them at the club in a heartbeat even if isco would be a luxury

DM_7

Alonso wouldn't suit United. A more athletic player is required to balance out likes of Mata.

Would prefer de Jong over Blind for the same reasons.

de Jong and Carvalho would be the type of players United need in the EPL to provide the balance and back up for attacking players. Free up Herrera to focus more on getting on the ball as well.

TheDoc

homerjay2005 wrote: »

of course Injuries is a problem, but dont forget we went to the states without several players and got some injuries in the first 2 or 3 games too.



totally agree. it was really poor from LVG to put them all in one team the last night. hence perhaps, why he said he wasnt shocked with the result.

we could easily have picked a team the last night that didnt include 3 or 4 players who are on the way out.

I believe LVG wasn't shocked. He knows Anderson,Wellbeck,Chico and Kagawa are not featuring in his plans.

Maximus Alexander

MagicIRL wrote: »

But seriously, would love to see Tom at United.

TheDoc

NTMK wrote: »

I would have no problem being essentially real madrids castaway team

its nuts they would want rid of Illarramendi, Isco and Khedira, Alonso i can kinda understand

Id have all of them at the club in a heartbeat even if isco would be a luxury

Tom has had a rough time usurping Khedira for that DM spot. Highly prospective and regarded player for Spains future.

Sebastian Dangerfield

It makes me laugh how fickle this thread is. Until Tuesday afternoon Evans was the one class defender we had, getting better with every game he didnt play. Now he's substandard, and Jones is the best of the lot.

TheDoc

Maximus Alexander wrote: »

Can't remember the last time I saw a player looking so lost, and being so unsure of what they do that warrants their selection.

Backstreet Moyes

I am happy with the options at cb to be honest. It could be argued Jones and Blackett were our two best players in the first two games. The only problem was they were exposed by a weak midfield.

Evans makes a big mistake the other night and suddenly he is not good enough. He is comfortably our best defender. He was a candidate for POTY two seasons ago in a title winning season. He will without a doubt be first choice. He reads the game very well, is the only leader at the back, he is very good at building from the back.

MagicIRL

No no no no no no no.

Coat22

Will I Amnt wrote: »

I'd rather have Di Maria and no Vidal than no Di Maria and no Vidal.

But would you have Vidal and no Di Maria?

Don’t get me wrong – I think DM is a fantastic capture but it would be ironic if buying him now puts RM in a position to swoop for Vidal.

Di Maria and a decent CM would do me.:cool:

TheDoc

Sebastian Dangerfield wrote: »

It makes me laugh how fickle this thread is. Until Tuesday afternoon Evans was the one class defender we had, getting better with every game he didnt play. Now he's substandard, and Jones is the best of the lot.

Evans had a stinker, no denying it. But only back from injury? One poor game shouldn't ruin his rising standards & quality.

MagicIRL

3 years ago today United put 8 past Arsenal using this team.

TheDoc

On an entirely seperate point. Would be fine with club selling Wellbeck to Arsenal.They sold us their best player, why not have a proffesional relationship.

Spazdarn

I am most certainly not happy with CB, Jones has done well enough in the two games, but lets get real.

We've got a lot of maybes in defence, while the other teams have definite, finished articles. I wouldn't want to put all my faith in a defence of players, not good enough at the moment who may or may not come good.

No leadership at the back, is the most worrying, I can't see who's going to rally these younger players and help make them better players.

Maximus Alexander

Sebastian Dangerfield wrote: »

It makes me laugh how fickle this thread is. Until Tuesday afternoon Evans was the one class defender we had, getting better with every game he didnt play. Now he's substandard, and Jones is the best of the lot.

The prevailing opinion on the thread was that Jones has been the best of the lot that have played since pre-season. So that undermines the picture you're trying to paint.

Evans wasn't playing, and people were convinced he would make a difference, being the most senior CB at the club. He returned, it was a disaster. Naturally that has knocked people's confidence in his ability to be the leader that the defence needs. That's hardly fickle.

Maybe I missed it, but I haven't seen anyone who previously held Evans in high regard suddenly claiming he's a terrible defender.

bren2001

TheDoc wrote: »

On an entirely seperate point. Would be fine with club selling Wellbeck to Arsenal.They sold us their best player, why not have a proffesional relationship.

Don't see why we should be selling to a direct rival. Ultimately, Welbeck could fire Arsenal to that 4th place spot. They sold us RVP because they either could cash in or wait a year and lose him. Completely different circumstances. I'd like to see Welbeck stay regardless.

Will I Amnt

Coat22 wrote: »

But would you have Vidal and no Di Maria?

Don’t get me wrong – I think DM is a fantastic capture but it would be ironic if buying him now puts RM in a position to swoop for Vidal.

Di Maria and a decent CM would do me.:cool:

I don't think Vidal was ever a runner for United, I've been saying it all Summer.
So to me the situation I mentioned is the only situation.

NTMK

Coat22 wrote: »

But would you have Vidal and no Di Maria?

Don’t get me wrong – I think DM is a fantastic capture but it would be ironic if buying him now puts RM in a position to swoop for Vidal.

Di Maria and a decent CM would do me.:cool:

do you think us not buying di maria would stop real from going after vidal?

Crimson King

TheDoc wrote: »

Evans had a stinker, no denying it. But only back from injury? One poor game shouldn't ruin his rising standards & quality.

Evans is by far our best defender. Jones has the potential, once he strikes an understanding with Jonny. The problem I have with both is that they are not much of an improvement on Vidic and Rio in terms of availability, neither have a good track record with injuries.

Sebastian Dangerfield

Maximus Alexander wrote: »

He returned, it was a disaster. Naturally that has knocked people's confidence in his ability to be the leader that the defence needs. That's hardly fickle.

I cant think of anything more fickle than changing your opinion of a player after one game.

tupac_healy

TheDoc wrote: »

On an entirely seperate point. Would be fine with club selling Wellbeck to Arsenal.They sold us their best player, why not have a proffesional relationship.

And the way he played the other night it would help us overtake Arsenal!

Maximus Alexander

Sebastian Dangerfield wrote: »

I cant think of anything more fickle than changing your opinion of a player after one game.

Back it up then, who did that?

TheDoc

bren2001 wrote: »

Don't see why we should be selling to a direct rival. Ultimately, Welbeck could fire Arsenal to that 4th place spot. They sold us RVP because they either could cash in or wait a year and lose him. Completely different circumstances. I'd like to see Welbeck stay regardless.

tupac_healy wrote: »

And the way he played the other night it would help us overtake Arsenal!

Arsenal's issue is scoring goals and having a finisher. Wellbeck won't give them this. Would happily sell them a blank firer.

Coat22

Sebastian Dangerfield wrote: »

It makes me laugh how fickle this thread is. Until Tuesday afternoon Evans was the one class defender we had, getting better with every game he didnt play. Now he's substandard, and Jones is the best of the lot.

I’ve been saying since early summer that none of the 3 current CBs are up to it – Tuesday night just confirmed Evans for me – Smalling has been confirmed as substandard in the first 2 league games and in fairness to Jones he’s started well.

Smithwicks Man

Did United actually offer £34m for Vidal?

Coat22

NTMK wrote: »

do you think us not buying di maria would stop real from going after vidal?

Yes. 59.7M reasons for that.

duffman13

Sebastian Dangerfield wrote: »

I cant think of anything more fickle than changing your opinion of a player after one game.

Football fans fickle? Never!

Evan is our best defender at the moment. After a poor performance sometimes people lose a bit faith in a player. Happens everyone, people get hysterical, myself included, get over it!

irishfeen

Smithwicks Man wrote: »

Did United actually offer £34m for Vidal?

The people who actually know this as a fact you could probably count on one hand ...

redbaron_99

MagicIRL wrote: »

3 years ago today United put 8 past Arsenal using this team.

Try showing the arsenal team that played that day.

Mitch Connor

TheDoc wrote: »

On an entirely seperate point. Would be fine with club selling Wellbeck to Arsenal.They sold us their best player, why not have a proffesional relationship.

Was told early in the summer that Vermaelon was basically a dead in the water deal because Wenger was point blank refusing to sell him to us.

He may have slightly relented on that later on, and offered to swap him for Smalling - but that could simply be because he knew United would say no - so outcome is still a refusal to sell to United.

This is on the back of Wenger publicly stating, after the RVP deal, that he would never sell another player to United.

So, fuk them - to be honest. They don't want to sell to us, I'd point blank refuse to sell to them too.

Smithwicks Man

irishfeen wrote: »

The people who actually know this as a fact you could probably count on one hand ...

Yeah good point. Fairly sub-par bid if it's true though

kryogen

TheDoc wrote: »

Arsenal's issue is scoring goals and having a finisher. Wellbeck won't give them this. Would happily sell them a blank firer.

Don't think so, the pace in Arsenals forward play would suit him down to the ground, I would fancy him to thrive there, hope it doesn't happen. He has proved he can score when played through the middle, he stepped up when both RvP and Rooney went down last year.

Put him in a high tempo potent attack with fluid creativity and he would do damage

redbaron_99

Coat22 wrote: »

I’ve been saying since early summer that none of the 3 current CBs are up to it – Tuesday night just confirmed Evans for me – Smalling has been confirmed as substandard in the first 2 league games and in fairness to Jones he’s started well.

Can't say I disagree too much with this. I don't like Evans, he always looks nervous. Smalling had the potential but picks up too many little injuries and just doesn't impose himself too much.
Jones can be a top player if he gets a proper run in the team. I'm sure of it.

Backstreet Moyes

TheDoc wrote: »

Arsenal's issue is scoring goals and having a finisher. Wellbeck won't give them this. Would happily sell them a blank firer.

Except Wellbeck when played up front actually had a decent record. What was in 8 in 9 games last season, he also scored 5 in 11 for England two seasons ago when played up front.

He certainly misses chances no doubt but he get's himself into great positions most games he has great movement and pace. In a quick fluid system with Ozil, Sanchez and Walcott behind him he would score 15+ a season imo.

sky88

whats happening with rojo work permit is it ready.

and whats about di maria does hes have one i havent heard much mentioned

Soldie

TheDoc wrote: »

Multiple reports that LVG wants Kagawa,Cleverly and Wellbeck gone ASAP to make room for Blind and Vidal.

Move Ando on and there's enough room for all five of them.

I'm here all day...

Hococop

sky88 wrote: »

whats happening with rojo work permit is it ready.

and whats about di maria does hes have one i havent heard much mentioned

Report last night said it was granted and he is ok to play not sure about Di maria

NTMK

sky88 wrote: »

whats happening with rojo work permit is it ready.

and whats about di maria does hes have one i havent heard much mentioned

no idea on Rojo's permit and Di maria has an italien passport afaik

advertsfox

sky88 wrote: »

whats happening with rojo work permit is it ready.

and whats about di maria does hes have one i havent heard much mentioned

https://twitter.com/UtdReport/status/504785602840387584
https://twitter.com/UtdReport/status/504934771089498112

homerjay2005

Sebastian Dangerfield wrote: »

It makes me laugh how fickle this thread is. Until Tuesday afternoon Evans was the one class defender we had, getting better with every game he didnt play. Now he's substandard, and Jones is the best of the lot.

football is the most fickle game in the world to be honest and its not just United fans, its everybody to do with the game.

i read a great quote before about just how fine a line it is - "the difference between a pat on the back or a kick up the arse is really small".

TheTownie

advertsfox wrote: »

https://twitter.com/UtdReport/status/504785602840387584
https://twitter.com/UtdReport/status/504934771089498112

Sporting and Doyen aren't going to resolve their issues anytime soon so if its true the PL are holding it up on those grounds, Utd are screwed.

NTMK

Coat22 wrote: »

Yes. 59.7M reasons for that.

Real madrid have an isane amount of cash flow they could afford Vidal whether or not we bought di maria, and they also have a ****load of £20mill players they could offload quickly if they wanted Vidal

Buying di maria just affects the bottom line for RM which they never have given a **** about you just have to look at their finances to see that

TheDoc

Nuts102 wrote: »

Except Wellbeck when played up front actually had a decent record. What was in 8 in 9 games last season, he also scored 5 in 11 for England two seasons ago when played up front.

He certainly misses chances no doubt but he get's himself into great positions most games he has great movement and pace. In a quick fluid system with Ozil, Sanchez and Walcott behind him he would score 15+ a season imo.

He missed a bucketload of easy chances, at critical times during last season.That's the measure of a striker for me.Bottler.

TheDoc

kryogen wrote: »

Don't think so, the pace in Arsenals forward play would suit him down to the ground, I would fancy him to thrive there, hope it doesn't happen. He has proved he can score when played through the middle, he stepped up when both RvP and Rooney went down last year.

Put him in a high tempo potent attack with fluid creativity and he would do damage

The speed of an attack has no bearing on the fact he is a terrible finisher. Don't see him doing damage unless he improves a drastic amount

redbaron_99

there's a rumour flying around that Aston Villa are close to getting Cleverley (please God be true!!).
Was looking at the tweet that sparked it all off, and was reading through the replies from Villa fans. Every last one of them was p*ssed off about it. Insane to think this guy has lasted so long at United.

sky88

TheDoc wrote: »

He missed a bucketload of easy chances, at critical times during last season.That's the measure of a striker for me.Bottler.

Agree totally here its the reason giroud is not seen as a top striker misses so many chances

beno619

TheDoc wrote: »

He missed a bucketload of easy chances, at critical times during last season.That's the measure of a striker for me.Bottler.

So has RVP in his first 2 years a United player, the thing is he plays up front consistently so usually gets a chance to make up for it.

homerjay2005

TheDoc wrote: »

Januz seen as future no.10, but can play wide effectively too.So easy decision to let him go imo

Adnan was simply awful in that role on tuesday night before being moved out to the wing after 25 minutes and has been poor enough there last season.

so far, there is nothing to suggest he can play the number 10 role at top level.

Coat22

redbaron_99 wrote: »

there's a rumour flying around that Aston Villa are close to getting Cleverley (please God be true!!).
Was looking at the tweet that sparked it all off, and was reading through the replies from Villa fans. Every last one of them was p*ssed off about it. Insane to think this guy has lasted so long at United.

We should throw in Anderson for free and sit back and watch Keane lose the plot.

Villa fans still haven’t forgiven us for Djemba Djemba.

Swap for Vlaar? Would like it but unlikely.

TheDoc

beno619 wrote: »

So has RVP in his first 2 years a United player, the thing is he plays up front consistently so usually gets a chance to make up for it.

Only last season did I really think RVP missed sitters at crucial times. In that three game spell where if he scores, Moyes simply survives the chop.