Manchester United Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread - Mod Note in OP, 25/08

adox

RasTa wrote: »

There was a bet that someone was getting banned for a month if we don't sign Vidal correct?

Yeah its me or Larry. Me if he signs and Larry if he doesnt. Not a ban as such but voluntary, although Gav has kindly volunteered to remove our access to the soccer forum for a month.:D

I`d still gladly take the hit of course.

Mitch Connor

So, team for tomorrow?

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De Gea
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Valecnia

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Young
Rooney--Fletcher-Di Maria

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Mata

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RVP

can't see us going to a flat back 4 as we have no actual right back or left back. Think Rooney, however annoying it is, is better suited to being dropped into midfield rather than Mata and Anderson has shown no reason to start him - no other options in midfield I reckon. Will be interesting to see if Welbeck, Cleverley or Kagawa are involved in the match day squad at all. If they are on the cusp of leaving you would imagine not but given we are already without Smalling (maybe), Rafael (maybe), Shaw, Carrick, Herrera, Fellaini we don't exactly have many options for the bench. Wilson, Januzaj, James, Amos..... anyone else that has been involved that is not injured or being moved on?

SherlockWatson

Trilla wrote: »

You'd think lambert and Keane would no better re Cleverley.

I've seen the guy play well maybe 4 or 5 times max

9m??? Excellent price for us. Better still if an exchange can be done for whoever we let him go to.

Anderson, Kags and Hernandez to follow and I'll be v happy.

Young and Valencia will probably stay :-(

When he came up through the youth system he looked brilliant, his link up play with Welbeck was tremendous and he looked confident... and then got too confident, the whole TC23 thing was ridiculous.

The Moldy Gowl

We won't hear anything concrete today. Id say last few days have been behind the scenes contacting players and clubs. If there is something done, we won't hear about it until tomorrow or Sunday from man utd.

I'm just glad I'm extra busy in work today so I don't have to watch the 'shambles' unfold.

Coat22

I don't see the point of sending players in their mid 20s on loan - it invarably leads to either the player being crap at the new club (ala Anderson, Zaha, Fabio) and then impossible to shift when they return or they hit it off and want to only move to that club therefore reducing the partent clubs negotiating position.

Maximus Alexander

homerjay2005 wrote: »

anybody care to predict the line up? hard to know whats going on with Rojo, but i would imagine he wont start or be involved.

I actually haven't the foggiest what we will see tomorrow. With no full backs available I can't imagine how he will fit in both Mata and Di Maria.

adox

Are we all expecting Di Maria as a starter tomorrow? I thought he may only be on the bench due to his late arrival, but would be delighted if he starts

Coat22

Gowlasauras Rex wrote: »

We won't hear anything concrete today. Id say last few days have been behind the scenes contacting players and clubs. If there is something done, we won't hear about it until tomorrow or Sunday from man utd.

I'm just glad I'm extra busy in work today so I don't have to watch the 'shambles' unfold.

I don't think we'll get anyone else in until Monday. Lets face it we're not first choice for the top players but if we're the only show in town (or the best paying show) come Monday it'll be piss or get off the pot time,

Hopefully United don't let it go this late though - thats how you end up paying £27M for Fellani.

homerjay2005

adox wrote: »

Are we all expecting Di Maria as a starter tomorrow? I thought he may only be on the bench due to his late arrival, but would be delighted if he starts

has he actually trained with us yet?

Lucas Hood

homerjay2005 wrote: »

has he actually trained with us yet?

yep lvg said he'd trained 2 days

Soldie

advertsfox wrote: »

And SSN just posted:

More on the future of Tom Cleverley now, and Sky Sports understands that Valencia have made an offer for the Manchester United midfielder. Aston Villa and Hull City have also been linked with a bid to sign the England international before the transfer deadline.

Thought this was gonna be about Valencia being shipped out too... got a little giddy. Damn you!

Mitch Connor

adox wrote: »

Are we all expecting Di Maria as a starter tomorrow? I thought he may only be on the bench due to his late arrival, but would be delighted if he starts

I see very few options that would allow us to not play him, to be honest. Far from an ideal situation, but we have feck all alternatives

Your Airbag

twam2008 wrote: »

Its easy to forget that Cleverley has England caps. He had fantastic potential but I think the pressure on him was too great to manage. I do think he will go on and do good things. But as things stand, he would never have time to live up to that potential at Old Trafford. Good luck to him.

You know what got Clev those England caps? Hype. A young English player breaking into the UTD first team and the British media loved it. Clev was a bit of a fool too, shameless self promotion right off the bat, the TC23 website started before he had done anything of note.

He heaped too much pressure on himself by drawing a lot of media attention through self promotion. He should have kept his head down and worked on his game and actually became a good player then he could blow his own trumpet a little and believe me there was a lot to his game that needed working on.

Even this season he came out with two gems. "I'm exactly the type of player VG likes" & "VG's system is perfect for me, I'll do well in it" I'm paraphrasing but he gave two seperate interviews talking himself up but when he got on the pitch he stunk up the place.

There is a myth on this forum as well that Clev and Anderson "tore up the league" with their passing a few seasons back. Clev and Anderson? They never tore up the league. There were a few games at the start of the season against poor oposition were UTD played well and Tom and Ando were starters.

The fact is Clev never preformed for UTD. His starting level was very low and he maintained it throughout his time here. Worst of all he seemed oblivious to how poor he was. He was in love with the idea of being a football star rather then actually putting in the work to be one. He was mentally weak and a coward on the pitch.

Normally I don't have strong feelings of hate towards footballlers but the reaction to his leaving is very telling. People are delighted he is gone and the England fans started a petition to get him out of the England team. That says it all.

The best I can wish him is that he stays injury free and is given a chance to prove himself where ever he goes. I genuinely believe he would struggle at Hull or Villa. He is one of the worst if not the worst player to put on the UTD shirt and get regular game time. I'm glad he is gone. Good ridance.

764dak

Apparently, there is a bid from Valencia for Cleverley.

Earlier in the year he said his 'Spanish' playing style is not appreciated in England.

Maximus Alexander

764dak wrote: »

Apparently, there is a bid from Valencia for Cleverley.

It's mad to think about him playing in Spain.

NTMK

764dak wrote: »

Apparently, there is a bid from Valencia for Cleverley.

for the sake of his career and his confidence he should go to valencia imo

statto25

764dak wrote: »

Apparently, there is a bid from Valencia for Cleverley.

The Times are also reporting that Hull have made a £9M bid. He's a wanted man is Tom!

magnumbud

statto25 wrote: »

The Times are also reporting that Hull have made a £9M bid. He's a wanted man is Tom!

surely if 3 clubs are in for him we may be able to squeeze another million or 2 out of one of them. if it was levy he would probably be sold for 20 million :pac:

The_Kew_Tour

Wonder can we get double figures for him?

I'm not delighted to see him go as I hoped LVG might get what others saw in him, but I trust LVG thinks he ain't good enough and that's enough for me.

Adamcp898

Maximus Alexander wrote: »

It's mad to think about him playing in Spain.

It will suit his Spanish style though....


And if he leaves for £9 million, that'll be more than the reported £8 million Dortmund will pay for Kagawa :eek:

Your Airbag

Adamcp898 wrote: »

It will suit his Spanish style though....


And if he leaves for £9 million, that'll be more than the reported £8 million Dortmund will pay for Kagawa :eek:

If Clev goes for more than Kagawa I will genuinely feel sick.

There is something wrong with the world if that happens.

Crimson King

Read it o the Metro (I know, I know) that the Kagawa deal is £8M up front and £2M involving add-ons. If I were Ed I would say forget the add ons and just give United first refusal when the inevitable sale of Reus happens next Summer

Delboy5

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

Wonder can we get double figures for him?

I'm not delighted to see him go as I hoped LVG might get what others saw in him, but I trust LVG thinks he ain't good enough and that's enough for me.

Are ye all forgeting that the Cleverly transfer is all dependent on HIM......

He can leave next summer for free, so can just sit on his hands if he doesnt fancy any of the offers currently on the table...

Coat22

764dak wrote: »

Apparently, there is a bid from Valencia for Cleverley.

Earlier in the year he said his 'Spanish' playing style is not appreciated in England.

Who'd have thought it? TC23 the subject of a bidding war? We'll get 20M foir him yet!

RobertKK

We had enough of TC23's third division Spanish playing style.

I don't see RM or Barca going into a bidding war for him.

Valencia must want a player who sounds smart.

Mitch Connor

Delboy5 wrote: »

Are ye all forgeting that the Cleverly transfer is all dependent on HIM......

He can leave next summer for free, so can just sit on his hands if he doesnt fancy any of the offers currently on the table...

and United can dump him to the reserves for the year, no football should be a big issue for him.

hufpc8w3adnk65

adox wrote: »

Yeah its me or Larry. Me if he signs and Larry if he doesnt. Not a ban as such but voluntary, although Gav has kindly volunteered to remove our access to the soccer forum for a month.:D

I`d still gladly take the hit of course.

Gav is on hols (real hols not the kinda ones most people have too go on) so might be a small delay getting it sorted but I'm sure Lord TSC will help out

Pro. F

I have to say, the hate for Cleverly is impressive. The highly subscribed myth that he is some sort of awful player, has never played well, has been the worst performer on the pitch in any particular game and has been the worst player for United ever is as laughable as it's ever been and yet it gets more entrenched every day. It's a great filter.

Your Airbag

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

Wonder can we get double figures for him?

I'm not delighted to see him go as I hoped LVG might get what others saw in him, but I trust LVG thinks he ain't good enough and that's enough for me.

Quite simply anyone who saw something in him was wrong. Fergie or whoever else at the club.

A player like Clev should never have gotten as much game time for UTD as he did. How it was allowed to happen is beyond me. The press went with the new MF hope for UTD angle and some people gave him more time than he should.

He was found out a long time ago but still started. Ask yourself what did you ever see in him? what did he ever do to give you faith there was something there that others were seeing in him? Nothing, absolutely nothing or me.

Adamcp898

RobertKK wrote: »

We had enough of TC23's third division Spanish playing style.

I don't see RM or Barca going into a bidding war for him.

Valencia must want a player who sounds smart.

It's the TC23 brand they really want.

He'll pay back his fee in shirt sales within the week.

Maximus Alexander

Delboy5 wrote: »

Are ye all forgeting that the Cleverly transfer is all dependent on HIM......

He can leave next summer for free, so can just sit on his hands if he doesnt fancy any of the offers currently on the table...

Pffftt... Who are you, Tom's dad? Just send him to the basement and have Sir Alex Ferguson follow him down with a pliers. He'll sign what he's told to sign.

hufpc8w3adnk65

Maximus Alexander wrote: »

It's mad to think about him playing in Spain.

It's mad too think he gets paid too play football

RobertKK

Pro. F wrote: »

I have to say, the hate for Cleverly is impressive. The highly subscribed myth that he is some sort of awful player, has never played well, has been the worst performer on the pitch in any particular game and has been the worst player for United ever is as laughable as it's ever been and yet it gets more entrenched every day. It's a great filter.

He brings anti-inspiration to the team.

rightyabe

How can Valencia afford tc23? How much does he earn a year and were would he put him..??

dahat

When Cleverly goes and no other CM comes in who gets the hate then?

PPointless selling him unless someone is coming in and the Vidal + Carvallho links have gone quiet.

Maximus Alexander

dahat wrote: »

When Cleverly goes and no other CM comes in who gets the hate then?

PPointless selling him unless someone is coming in and the Vidal + Carvallho links have gone quiet.

I'm available.

The_Kew_Tour

dahat wrote: »

When Cleverly goes and no other CM comes in who gets the hate then?

PPointless selling him unless someone is coming in and the Vidal + Carvallho links have gone quiet.

Well Fellaini already gets the boos.

I can't remember Tom Cleverly getting booed by United fans.

KH25

Pro. F wrote: »

I have to say, the hate for Cleverly is impressive. The highly subscribed myth that he is some sort of awful player, has never played well, has been the worst performer on the pitch in any particular game and has been the worst player for United ever is as laughable as it's ever been and yet it gets more entrenched every day. It's a great filter.

Get where you're coming from alright. He's not the worst we've ever had but he's still just not United standard. I think the last few games have shown that easily. He looked like he was trying in his defence, but he just hasn't got it.

At this stage a move is best for him. He's not the level that's needed, he's out of the England team and he's going to be constantly hounded by united fans if he stays. For his career, a move is the smartest option.

jaykay74

Id say a lot of the interest around TC23 that isn't around some others is that he never got the BIG contract so his wages will be at a more reasonable level. Could be me talking böllocks though and someone comes and points out he is on 90k a week

markcahill1985

rightyabe wrote: »

How can Valencia afford tc23? How much does he earn a year and were would he put him..??

In midfield, they were recently taken over by a billionare, not sure how much he earns

magnumbud

Pro. F wrote: »

I have to say, the hate for Cleverly is impressive. The highly subscribed myth that he is some sort of awful player, has never played well, has been the worst performer on the pitch in any particular game and has been the worst player for United ever is as laughable as it's ever been and yet it gets more entrenched every day. It's a great filter.

i dont hate him i just dont think he is united standard and hope he gets the move to valencia as its the best move for him.

The_Kew_Tour

jaykay74 wrote: »

Id say a lot of the interest around TC23 that isn't around some others is that he never got the BIG contract so his wages will be at a more reasonable level. Could be me talking böllocks though and someone comes and points out he is on 90k a week

He is on 70k according to numerous sources.

Talib Fiasco

Weren't ye linked to Freddy Guarin a few days ago? Had a shocking season but is a very good all round player.

buckfasterer

MrMac84 wrote: »

It's mad too think he gets paid too play football

Sorry for being a grammar Nazi but wow.

dahat

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

Well Fellaini already gets the boos.

I can't remember Tom Cleverly getting booed by United fans.

Ah Fellani, forgot about him.

Blame rather than boos, he should be kept if there isn't anyone else coming in as we will be very short in there.

Irishcrx

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

He is on 70k according to numerous sources.

Talk about stealing a wage...:mad:

rightyabe

markcahill1985 wrote: »

In midfield, they were recently taken over by a billionare, not sure how much he earns

Lol...you must of missed my sarcarasm..

Valencia, Antonio

Maximus Alexander

Pro. F wrote: »

I have to say, the hate for Cleverly is impressive. The highly subscribed myth that he is some sort of awful player, has never played well, has been the worst performer on the pitch in any particular game and has been the worst player for United ever is as laughable as it's ever been and yet it gets more entrenched every day. It's a great filter.

I don't hate him, though sometimes it's fun to take the piss. But let's be honest, he's 25 now and he's never going to get close to the standard he needs to be at for United.

We've had enough of mediocrity in the middle of the field for the last five years or so. If 9 million can be gotten for him then that's a great bit of business and is the best thing for him too. He must be in a bad place with the flak he has taken and he could thrive at a smaller club.

Maximus Alexander

buckfasterer wrote: »

Sorry for being a grammar Nazi but wow.

He meant what he said. "It's mad also think he gets paid also football".

Your Airbag

Pro. F wrote: »

I have to say, the hate for Cleverly is impressive. The highly subscribed myth that he is some sort of awful player, has never played well, has been the worst performer on the pitch in any particular game and has been the worst player for United ever is as laughable as it's ever been and yet it gets more entrenched every day. It's a great filter.

Your gas mate. Telling youself those slating him are a great filter for people who know nothing about football so you can pat yourself on the back with the illusion that you have some sort of intelligent football insight that nobody else posses.

Clev was muck, it was plain to see.

I'll tell you what a great filter is. Watching a player play ****e week in week out. Watching this player play it safe and offer no attacking threat because he was mentally weak, technically poor and played under a cloak of fear and would only move the ball into safe areas with the simplest risk free passes, safest and most mundane back to defence passes, more mundane to the wing passing that stagnated UTDs attacking threat whenever he started.

Now seeing that and having hope that the player would be world class and repating that hope for that player as recently as a season ago as you did even after seeing poor display after poor display, season after season. Now thats a great filter for someone with their head in the sand.