All Ireland SFC SF Mayo v Kerry 24/08 3.30pm RTE 2 HD, Sky Sports 3 HD

Kristopherus

Hulk Hands wrote: »

You've clearly never been to either. Limerick is nearly state of the art in comparison to a dated Thurles. Less travel for fans too. No brainer

But then Thurles has 2 covered stands. The 2nd covered stand in Limerick is only a pipedream at present.

Having said that, Limerick holds nearly as many as Thurles.

Hulk Hands

malistheman wrote: »

Genuinely the first time I've heard the Gaelic Grounds described as state of the art.

That's because you can't read properly. In comparison to Thurles I said, a turn of phrase to emphasise how dated Thurles is.

aveytare

I know it SHOULD be in Croke Park but the atmosphere should be great in Limerick as it'll be packed. It's not the end of the world.

Lapin

thelad95 wrote: »

Who in the name of Christ thought the Gaelic grounds would be a good venue for an All-Ireland football semi-final? Would Thurles not be better? Far better stadium and slightly bigger capacity.

Thurles is a kip and a bitch of a place to get to and get out of.

Limerick is the obvious choice for both counties.

The only problem is, all those Mayo supporters have to pass through Galway to get to it and thus, will result in an increase in crime rates and decrease in property prices here next Saturday.

iDave

dog_pig wrote: »

You sound incredibly igorant.

I take it you understand very little of the sport.

Made a number of attempts to like it. Its horrendous.

dog_pig

iDave wrote: »

Made a number of attempts to like it. Its horrendous.

Thought so

padd b1975

iDave wrote: »

Sad that abomination of a sport messes the GAA schedule.
But the novelty of a semi outside croker will be fun

First since 1983.

VanDinkle

iDave wrote: »

Sad that abomination of a sport messes the GAA schedule.
But the novelty of a semi outside croker will be fun

Sad that the GAA commercial director hasnt been sacked at this stage.

Novelty, me arse. County teams should expect to play on the big stage when in an All Ireland semi final. We have already had 3 one direction concerts in croker this year. The Gaa wanted to run 5 consecutive Garth Brooks concerts in the stadium and caused national embarresment on an international level. On top of all that only those who have the ability to pay to get sky sports in can watch our native games now as its pay only on 14 championship games.

And now an All Ireland semi final replay cant be played in the sports national ground because its been booked out for an american football game.

Sorry pal, but there seems to be no end to the money making being made on the back of a stadium that was paid for with state money. The GAA have reported massive profits in the last 6 years. Any chance we can use it for what it was built for. The founders of the organisation must be spinning in their graves.

Miccoli

Peist2007 wrote: »

I don't think anyone can question this Mayo team's strength of character now. A f**king heroic performance

Then they let it slip.

zetecescort

3 sides of the Gaelic grounds are very good. Covered stand a disaster if somebody over 6ft sits I front of you. Seating is too shallow an angle so your looking at the back of someone's head rather than over it. Toilet facilities and such are nothing great either in the covered stand.

Ralphdejones

Can't understand why they can't have 10 mins each way extra time to avoid replays, fans can't afford all these outings. How did they work out it was 3 mins extra time, it was more like 2 at most. Anything to get a draw and a reply out of the fans.

Borders no.2

Think Mayo should win the replay, really are leaving it all out there this year to get over the line but still think that its Dublins to lose. Mayo defence looks very open and with the quality of forwards Dublin have, the weak links in the Mayo backline will be exposed.

If Mayo get up to close to full pitch for the majority of the game they should have enough for Kerry. To Kerry's advantage they'll know Limerick inside out and that's the first real game they've had this year so they'll learn from that.

Browney7

Castlebar to Limerick is 2 hours 20 minutes of a drive and motorway/dual carraigeway all the way from Gort. Castlebar to Thurles is 3 hours on a bad road from Galway to Thurles. It's an hour and a half from Killarney to Limerick so Kerry fans do have less to travel but it's unavoidable. There'd be no point making both Kerry and Mayo fans drive further to Thurles and they'd both be approaching Thurles from the same side on a saturday night which would cause havoc with traffic.

Geographically Ennis would probably be a fair venue but wholly unfit to hold it. Gaelic grounds has two brand new state of the art changing areas and the terraces are quite good for a view. I'd imagine Mayo fans will be put on the city end and Kerry fans on the Clare end. In the absence of Croke Park (you can debate the merits of it being out of use till the cows come home) Limerick is the logical choice. There will be an unreal atmosphere there.

Molester Stallone II

Borders no.2 wrote: »

Think Mayo should win the replay, really are leaving it all out there this year to get over the line but still think that its Dublins to lose. Mayo defence looks very open and with the quality of forwards Dublin have, the weak links in the Mayo backline will be exposed.

If Mayo get up to close to full pitch for the majority of the game they should have enough for Kerry. To Kerry's advantage they'll know Limerick inside out and that's the first real game they've had this year so they'll learn from that.

Unfortunately for Kerry they haven't gotten out of second gear since the Munster final, that could prove their undoing. They need to hit.the ground running against Mayo & keep it up over 70 minutes, not just 40 as they did today.
If! they play like we know they can, they will blow Mayo away, but there seems to be a bit of lethargy amongst the players at the moment & that needs banishing before Saturday

NavyandBlue

Ralphdejones wrote: »

Can't understand why they can't have 10 mins each way extra time to avoid replays, fans can't afford all these outings. How did they work out it was 3 mins extra time, it was more like 2 at most. Anything to get a draw and a reply out of the fans.

Yeah it's all just one massive conspiracy against Joe Public :rolleyes: Sheehan in particular deliberately dropped that last free short.

Nidgeweasel

Am I the only one who thinks it will be brilliant in Limerick?

Great town, great wee ground, packed to the rafters with an All-Ireland final at stake.

Ralphdejones

Ralphdejones wrote: »

Can't understand why they can't have 10 mins each way extra time to avoid replays, fans can't afford all these outings. How did they work out it was 3 mins extra time, it was more like 2 at most. Anything to get a draw and a reply out of the fans.

Can't agree more, don't see where 3 minutes came from but wasn't keeping track of it I suppose.

Mushy

Ralphdejones wrote: »

Can't understand why they can't have 10 mins each way extra time to avoid replays, fans can't afford all these outings. How did they work out it was 3 mins extra time, it was more like 2 at most. Anything to get a draw and a reply out of the fans.

Sure there was over a minute left after the last point was scored to level the match!

Dirty Dingus McGee

Nidgeweasel wrote: »

Am I the only one who thinks it will be brilliant in Limerick?

Great town, great wee ground, packed to the rafters with an All-Ireland final at stake.

I'd prefer if it was in Croke Park but it should be a great occasion and the atmosphere will be great as well. Hopefullyy each terrace is allocated solely to each county and it will be a great sight like all ireland finals in the 90's

Wolf Club

Miccoli wrote: »

Then they let it slip.

I don't know if you've watched much football before but it's not uncommon for a team to get several scores consecutively. For instance, today Kerry built up a lead going in to half time. Then Mayo gained the advantage in the second half before Kerry had a resurgence and levelled the game. It had nothing to do with letting "it slip". Mayo lost their best player and fought back incredibly well, no doubt lazy opinions like the above will be prevalent as well as the usual "chokers" and "bottlers" labels but Mayo should be commended for the way they performed today.

Nidgeweasel

Dirty Dingus McGee wrote: »

I'd prefer if it was in Croke Park but it should be a great occasion and the atmosphere will be great as well. Hopefullyy each terrace is allocated solely to each county and it will be a great sight like all ireland finals in the 90's

I wouldn't if I was from Mayo/Kerry.

Much prefer to get it out to the country somewhere.

TCDStudent1

Nidgeweasel wrote: »

Am I the only one who thinks it will be brilliant in Limerick?

Great town, great wee ground, packed to the rafters with an All-Ireland final at stake.

Should be terrific. I was at munster final there last year and it was a great atmosphere. Thurles would also be a great day out. Mayo and Kerry fans should enjoy the novelty of an AI semi outside Dublin!

circular flexing

VanDinkle wrote: »

Sorry pal, but there seems to be no end to the money making being made on the back of a stadium that was paid for with state money.

It was partially paid for by Government money, the GAA paid for most of it themselves.

The GAA have reported massive profits in the last 6 years.

And where do those "profits" go?

Nidgeweasel

TCDStudent1 wrote: »

Should be terrific. I was at munster final there last year and it was a great atmosphere. Thurles would also be a great day out. Mayo and Kerry fans should enjoy the novelty of an AI semi outside Dublin!

Absolutely.

I can only talk about the tie we played Galway in Castlebar in a quarter final and it was probably (aside from the obvious finals) my favourite ever day watching Donegal. Everything about it was superb.

Kermit.de.frog

Is there not a little bit of greed on the GAA's part here with replays? Why not just extra time?

Dirty Dingus McGee

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Is there not a little bit of greed on the GAA's part here with replays? Why not just extra time?

Why not have a replay.They had replays in the FA cup up until a few years ago.Was that greed on behalf of the english FA?

I would think both sets of fans would be quite happy having another big game to look forward to.

Miccoli

Wolf Club wrote: »

I don't know if you've watched much football before but it's not uncommon for a team to get several scores consecutively. For instance, today Kerry built up a lead going in to half time. Then Mayo gained the advantage in the second half before Kerry had a resurgence and levelled the game. It had nothing to do with letting "it slip". Mayo lost their best player and fought back incredibly well, no doubt lazy opinions like the above will be prevalent as well as the usual "chokers" and "bottlers" labels but Mayo should be commended for the way they performed today.

Its quite easy to close out a 5 point lead with 5 minutes to go.Especially when Kerry were just dropping in high balls.

Browney7

Limerick will also have a load of hotels for travelling fans which for a saturday evening throw in would be important.

Lapin

Mayo County Board are looking to get the match put back a week to Croker.

VanDinkle

circular flexing wrote: »

It was partially paid for by Government money, the GAA paid for most of it themselves.

110 million is no small contribution from the state.

And where do those "profits" go?

You think it all goes back into the sport every year ?

The monies put back into the game are dwarfed by the massive profits being reported. 79 million in 2010. 55 million last year. How much is enough money ? Its meant to be a non profit making organisation.

Dont get me wrong I love the sport, I hate that the profit making gets in the way of the sport itself!

Mushy

Lapin wrote: »

Mayo County Board are looking to get the match put back a week to Croker.

And not have the pitch perfect for the hurling final? Won't happen!

Mushy

VanDinkle wrote: »

110 million is no small contribution from the state.



You think it all goes back into the sport every year ?

The monies put back into the game are dwarfed by the massive profits being reported. 79 million in 2010. 55 million last year. How much is enough money ? Its meant to be a non profit making organisation.

Dont get me wrong I love the sport, I hate that the profit making gets in the way of the sport itself!

Since when?

circular flexing

VanDinkle wrote: »

The monies put back into the game are dwarfed by the massive profits being reported. 79 million in 2010. 55 million last year.

You are quoting revenue figures there, not profits.

thelad95

Lapin wrote: »

Mayo County Board are looking to get the match put back a week to Croker.

Won't happen. I'd imagine most hotels in Dublin are already booked up for the hurling anyway. Besides, it's unfair on the hurlers to have the pitch cut up. The only time it could possibly be played in Croker is the following weekend again and then they'll be complaining they only have a week to prepare for the final.

Hammer Archer

VanDinkle wrote: »

110 million is no small contribution from the state.

The vast majority of that figure, if I remember correctly, came from the National Lottery if you want to be pedantic. Also, the Lansdowne Road redevelopment was similarly funded by the taxpayer.

VanDinkle wrote: »

You think it all goes back into the sport every year ?

The monies put back into the game are dwarfed by the massive profits being reported. 79 million in 2010. 55 million last year. How much is enough money ? Its meant to be a non profit making organisation.

Dont get me wrong I love the sport, I hate that the profit making gets in the way of the sport itself!

It's revenues you're talking about, not profits. The majority of the revenue taken in by the GAA does in fact go back into the games. The financial reports are freely available if you don't believe me.

Santa Cruz

LaGlisse wrote: »

Don't get the whinging about Limerick as a venue,doubt too many Kerry supporters will be complaining, less travel for mayo fans too. Also the capacity should cater for most, it's what 45000? And there was 52000 at the game today.
Certainly more quarter finals should be held outside of croker, travelling up to dublin for a game isn't cheap

Premium boxes.10 year tickets are sold on the basis of a minimum number of quarter finals, semi finals are played in Croke Park. Replays can be played outside Croke Park though.

NavyandBlue

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Is there not a little bit of greed on the GAA's part here with replays? Why not just extra time?

The players are amateurs. There is no need to subject them to an extra 20 minutes and it makes for a silly spectacle when you have players dropping all around the pitch with cramp, etc. It's fairer to give both teams a decent attempt at a second chance rather than the relative lottery that is extra time.

VanDinkle

circular flexing wrote: »

You are quoting revenue figures there, not profits.

The GAA's revenue in 2010 was 95 million. The gross profit was 78.5 million.

I dont know their bank balances, but I would love to. I would love to know where all the money is going and lets face it, that is no small profit for 1 year.

My point is that commercial directors should not be entering into agreements for use of the stadium during the championship season. That is not the purpose of the stadium or their remit of running games to the detriment of the national sport that they are meant to be promoting. If the commercial director want to run gigs and other events then let him build his own venue.

thelad95

NavyandBlue wrote: »

The players are amateurs. There is no need to subject them to an extra 20 minutes and it makes for a silly spectacle when you have players dropping all around the pitch with cramp, etc. It's fairer to give both teams a decent attempt at a second chance rather than the relative lottery that is extra time.

So instead of making amateur players play an extra 20 minutes you think it's better they have to get extra time off work, change family plans and prepare their amateur bodies for another 70 minutes? The mind boggles.

Kermit.de.frog

NavyandBlue wrote: »

The players are amateurs. There is no need to subject them to an extra 20 minutes and it makes for a silly spectacle when you have players dropping all around the pitch with cramp, etc. It's fairer to give both teams a decent attempt at a second chance rather than the relative lottery that is extra time.

Monaghan/Kildare played extra time and no one died.

NavyandBlue

VanDinkle wrote: »

The GAA's revenue in 2010 was 95 million. The gross profit was 75 million.

I dont know their bank balances, but I would love to. I would love to know where all the money is going and lets face it, that is no small profit for 1 year.

My point is that commercial directors should not be entering into agreements for use of the stadium during the championship season. That is not the purpose of the stadium or their remit of running games to the detriment of the national sport that they are meant to be promoting. If the commercial director want to run gigs and other events then let him build his own venue.

Not sure why you are attributing so much blame to Peter McKenna. I doubt he's doing this of his own accord. Ultimately the President and the General Secretary bear responsibility.

rebel girl 15

thelad95 wrote: »

Won't happen. I'd imagine most hotels in Dublin are already booked up for the hurling anyway. Besides, it's unfair on the hurlers to have the pitch cut up. The only time it could possibly be played in Croker is the following weekend again and then they'll be complaining they only have a week to prepare for the final.

Camogie all ireland is on then, not fair on those girls to have the pitch cut up either

circular flexing

VanDinkle wrote: »

The GAA's revenue in 2010 was 95 million. The gross profit was 78.5 million.

The GAA’s financial accounts for 2010 were launched in Croke Park on Tuesday, March 8 by Uachtarán Chumann Lúthcleas Gael Criostór Ó Cuana and Ard Stiúrthóir Páraic Ó Dufaigh.
Despite the challenging economic conditions, the GAA announced revenues of €58m, down from €68m in 2009, which can, in the main, be attributed to a drop in revenue of €9m (from €13m down to €4m) from the rental of Croke Park to the FAI and the IRFU.

http://www.gaa.ie/gaa-news-and-videos/daily-news/1/0803111618-gaa-annual-report-2010/

Full report is here http://www.gaa.ie/content/documents/publications/annual_reports/2011_GAA_Annual_Report_Congress.pdf
78.5 million profit is quite a return on 58 million revenue, but carry on.

My point is that commercial directors should not be entering into agreements for use of the stadium during the championship season. That is not the purpose of the stadium or their remit of running games to the detriment of the national sport that they are meant to be promoting. If the commercial director want to run gigs and other events then let him build his own venue.

I'm of the opinion that if it brings in extra money for the GAA (which is ultimately reinvested), then I don't see the harm.

I also don't see how it's detrimental. Gaelic Grounds is more than capable of holding this match and if anything I would take a full Gaelic Grounds over a half empty Croke Park.

thelad95

rebel girl 15 wrote: »

Camogie all ireland is on then, not fair on those girls to have the pitch cut up either

What I meant is you could nearly have them on the same day as camogie wouldn't attract more than 20000 although the camogie is a triple header so somebody would lose out this way as well.

VanDinkle

Hammer Archer wrote: »

The vast majority of that figure, if I remember correctly, came from the National Lottery if you want to be pedantic. Also, the Lansdowne Road redevelopment was similarly funded by the taxpayer.


It's revenues you're talking about, not profits. The majority of the revenue taken in by the GAA does in fact go back into the games. The financial reports are freely available if you don't believe me.

You are being pedantic. The source of both monies is from the one source, not the gaa.

No I reported the gross profit fir 2010, not the revenue which was 95m.

NavyandBlue

thelad95 wrote: »

So instead of making amateur players play an extra 20 minutes you think it's better they have to get extra time off work, change family plans and prepare their amateur bodies for another 70 minutes? The mind boggles.

I'm sure the players accept that disruption to their personal lives is part and parcel of playing top level intercounty football. I really don't think that most players were thinking at the 73 minute-mark that, "Oh now I can't go to Electric Picnic (or other event) next week". I'd be surprised if the vast majority of them weren't glad to have another chance to get to the final. PLus the extra five days gives them a proper chance to address some of the flaws in today's performance.

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Monaghan/Kildare played extra time and no one died.

That was a great game and it would have been fantastic to see them play another seventy minutes. But the winner was also scheduled to play the following Saturday. So to a certain extent, there needed to be a winner that night (I accept that a replay and a delayed quarter-final against Dublin wouldn't have been the end of the world for any of the respective participants). But today, there's four whole weeks until the final so what is the rush in looking for a winner. I firmly believe that everyone benefits from a replay - the players and the fans (not to mention the GAA coffers). I accept that many fans will find it hard to shell out more hard earned dosh for the replay but there will still be 45,000+ next weekend.

Hidalgo

Outstanding 2nd half. Both could have lost it but both Horan and Fitzmaurice will be pushing the positives.
Andy Moran made a telling cintribution when introduced, kicked 2 fine pts as a result of excellent off the ball running.
Kerrys goal couldn't have been executed any better if they tried it 100 times on the training pitch.

Cillian O Connors penalty was top drawer. That lad is fair cool and possesses some self belief.

Bit of flip flopping by Brolly afterwards claiming Cafferky is too nice for full back. Yet when players commit cynical fouls a la Sean Cavanaghs rugby tackle V Monaghan last summer he's slouched in despair waving the arms in diagust.

circular flexing

VanDinkle wrote: »

You are being pedantic. The source of both monies is from the one source, not the gaa.

No I reported the gross profit fir 2010, not the revenue which was 95m.

Would really like to know the source of your figures.

Sunnyisland

I thought it was a great game,watched it at a sports bar in portugal, even had the Man U fans coming over to our tv to watch it :-) lots of new recruits to GAA football today.

Hidalgo

thelad95 wrote: »

What I meant is you could nearly have them on the same day as camogie wouldn't attract more than 20000 although the camogie is a triple header so somebody would lose out this way as well.

Camogie finals and mens U21 final were on the same ticket for a few years.
Afaik camogie association is independent of the GAA and rents Croke Park for the day. Therefore its only natural they want their finals as the main events on a stand alone ticket