All Ireland SFC SF Mayo v Kerry 24/08 3.30pm RTE 2 HD, Sky Sports 3 HD

Nidgeweasel

Can't see past a Mayo win here.

Moneymaker

I see this as a 50-50 game. Both teams can improve and whoever has come on the furthest from the QF will win out.

Mayo have a clear advantage around the middle of the field though imo and that could be crucial.

Padkir

What type of a crowd is expected on Sunday? I saw in the Mayo News or some local paper that they were talking about 35k - 40k. That seems very low to be honest... Would be a disappointment I think if there were less than 55k or 60k there.

davegrohl48

Moneymaker wrote: »

I see this as a 50-50 game. Both teams can improve and whoever has come on the furthest from the QF will win out.

Mayo have a clear advantage around the middle of the field though imo and that could be crucial.

The moving of Aidan O'Shea to centre forward has had a big effect on Mayo's overall middle 8.
Mayo can add one more big man to the mix at midfield (Vaughan or Gibbons, plenty cover to slot back instead of Vaughan.) A half forward line of:
Doherty - Excellent tackler, very fast n strong
AOS - Usually has a couple of good wins of difficult ball
McGloughlin - One of the best passers in the team and is great at skipping around contact rather than running into it.

Midfield - SOS is on serious form and fitness.
ANother - Likely Vaughan. A mobile, big man and hopefully can grow more into the role. Not the tightest man marker so I think a good move.

Halfbacks - Boyle/Keegan/(Cunniffe or Higgins or Barrett). You wouldn't worry too much about who the wing back will be. Barrett has the better shooting boots combined with good passing. I like the idea of having from 5 - 15 as many players as possible who can shoot 50% minimum from attempts.
On the other hand this might be Cunniffe to bring extra physicality around the middle on 50:50 ball or holding up counter attacks. Pro's/Cons to all three options.

BPKS

Padkir wrote: »

What type of a crowd is expected on Sunday? I saw in the Mayo News or some local paper that they were talking about 35k - 40k. That seems very low to be honest... Would be a disappointment I think if there were less than 55k or 60k there.

15k max from Kerry probably between 20 + 25k from mayo plus a few neutrals depending on the weather.

The_Kew_Tour

Kerry by 4

Defiler Of The Coffin

TCDStudent1 wrote: »

What are the signs they are coming good though? What can you point to in the Cork or Galway games that suggest they are 'coming good'? I'm not saying you are wrong but am curious of the logic behind what you are saying.

Pretty much what Tod said a few posts back, I don't think we've seen Mayo really empty the tank in this campaign so far. I got the impression against Cork that had they been more ruthless in going for goal and had kept their concentration towards the end then there would have been more in the result. The same thing happened in the league against the same opposition. You can be damn sure Mayo will push harder for goals if they can get on top of Kerry.

I think there's a bigger performance in this team than what we've seen so far, Mayo have been preparing all year for this stage of the championship.

Padkir

BPKS wrote: »

15k max from Kerry probably between 20 + 25k from mayo plus a few neutrals depending on the weather.

That would be a very disappointing crowd.

Dirty Dingus McGee

There were only 50,000 at the match between these 2 in 2011, so if there is a similar crowd on Sunday it'll be a pretty good attendance.

BPKS

Dirty Dingus McGee wrote: »

There were only 50,000 at the match between these 2 in 2011, so if there is a similar crowd on Sunday it'll be a pretty good attendance.

Kerry and Mayo also play in the minor semi final which will reduce the crowd. roscommon played tipp before the 2011 semi final and would have swelled the crowd by 6 or 7 k, especially the rossies.

rossie1977

stop aidan o shea playing and kerry will win. he is the guy that makes mayo tick imo and a monster of a footballer. the one poor game he has had this year mayo played poorly. if kerry are leading by 3 points going into the final minutes i can't see them letting it slip like we did.

Volvic12

rossie1977 wrote: »

stop aidan o shea playing and kerry will win. he is the guy that makes mayo tick imo and a monster of a footballer. the one poor game he has had this year mayo played poorly. if kerry are leading by 3 points going into the final minutes i can't see them letting it slip like we did.

I agree that Aidan O'Shea is the vital to this Mayo team. I don't know if Kerry have anyone to stop him. It's their system that will have to stop him. Killian Young will probably pick him up and physically he is way off O'Shea. Obviously he will get support from Declan O Sullivan dropping deep etc. O'Mahoney or Crowley are realistically the only ones that would have the strength to stop him 1v1 and even that is at a push.

niamhy94

will this game live upto predictions in senior and minor in both predictions and be worth the money

harpsman

To me Kerry have looked more impressive than Mayo in the games against Cork and Galway.

I think their forward line are much more dangerous and more likely to get goals than Mayos.

Mayos full back line is definately a bit dodgy, particularly if they try to defend one to one. If the half back line and Higgins hang back to cover then that negates half their attacking threat.

I think Mayo have an advantage in midfield and in physicality, and their ability to pressure opponents and create turnovers up the field is their best attacking weapon.

However I think Kerry will be forewarned and will have worked on moving the ball quickly and away from contact.

If they do this and win 40% in midfield Id expect them to win, maybe with a bit to spare.

Rob Thomas

Like others, I think Mayo have played in fits and starts this year but they seemed to be able to do enough to beat teams when they had to. But I don't think this is any great masterplan to peak later in the year, I think it's just a consequence of they being there or there about for the last 3-4 years and I think they are on the way down slowly. They were unlucky not to have one an All Ireland with the emergence initially of a very focused Donegal team and then Dublin came along with their best panel for years. Wasn't there a period at one stage where whoever beat Mayo won the All ireland?

For Kerry, they clearly targeted the Cork game from a good way out and Fitzmaurice has them well drilled and playing to their strengths. But JOD is papering over a lot of cracks on the scoring front and their defence has gone AWOL a few times without notice. But in a short time they will be serious contenders for a few years.

Overall Mayo currently have the better team and have more game changers then Kerry so they should win by 3-4 points. But you can never discount what the sight of the green and gold can sometimes tend to do to a Mayo man in Croke Park in the autumn! Either way it should be a good game of football - And the better of the two semis.

nmjc

I see two lopsided semi finals, Donegal and Kerry to get well beaten

Amprodude

nmjc wrote: »

I see two lopsided semi finals, Donegal and Kerry to get well beaten

Oh dear.....

DoctaDee

Random thought - Is there a change of jerseys required ?, will Mayo get to face the green and gold or the Kerry blue

BPKS

DoctaDee wrote: »

Random thought - Is there a change of jerseys required ?, will Mayo get to face the green and gold or the Kerry blue

Kerry blue, mayo red like 2011 semi final.

ciarriaithuaidh

Could be wrong but I think Kerry have lost only once ever in championship when wearing the blue jerseys. 1972 replayed final to Offaly. Means nothing really of course. Always liked the blue jeerseys. The adidas one from 1998/99 is one of the nicest GAA jerseys ever worn IMO..can't find a photo of it.

harpsman

ciarriaithuaidh wrote: »

Could be wrong but I think Kerry have lost only once ever in championship when wearing the blue jerseys. 1972 replayed final to Offaly. Means nothing really of course. Always liked the blue jeerseys. The adidas one from 1998/99 is one of the nicest GAA jerseys ever worn IMO..can't find a photo of it.

Think again

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0kdsYsHLm8o

ciarriaithuaidh

harpsman wrote: »

Think again

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0kdsYsHLm8o

:rolleyes: What kind of a clown am I?!

Stoner

plus with the minor match up I guess there won't be many from outside the two counties

Hulk Hands

The jerseys worn in the GAA when clashing always seem a bit random. In the 04 and 06 finals Mayo wore red and Kerry the normal green and gold. Red and Blue then two years ago. Not sure if there's a need for both teams to switch. Then you have the ridiculous scenario where the likes of Dublin and Laois meet most years and both wear blue. They should set some structure on it

ciarriaithuaidh

Hulk Hands wrote: »

The jerseys worn in the GAA when clashing always seem a bit random. In the 04 and 06 finals Mayo wore red and Kerry the normal green and gold. Red and Blue then two years ago. Not sure if there's a need for both teams to switch. Then you have the ridiculous scenario where the likes of Dublin and Laois meet most years and both wear blue. They should set some structure on it

Mayo wore Red/Green for 2004 final but neither team changed for the 2006 final I recall..which kind of falls into your bracket of silliness really.
Just so you know, the Kerry blue jersey is not random. Traditionally when a team had to change, they wore their provincial jerseys, royal blue being the Munster colours, this is what Kerry have usually worn when required..apart from the horrific white effort worn against Meath in 2001 and the classic 1981 halved jersey. In 1982, there was some kind of mix up and Kerry ended up wearing these naff limey green coloured green jerseys..which obviously went well.:rolleyes:

keane2097

ciarriaithuaidh wrote: »

Mayo wore Red/Green for 2004 final but neither team changed for the 2006 final I recall..which kind of falls into your bracket of silliness really.
Just so you know, the Kerry blue jersey is not random. Traditionally when a team had to change, they wore their provincial jerseys, royal blue being the Munster colours, this is what Kerry have usually worn when required..apart from the horrific white effort worn against Meath in 2001 and the classic 1981 halved jersey. In 1982, there was some kind of mix up and Kerry ended up wearing these naff limey green coloured green jerseys..which obviously went well.:rolleyes:

That halved jersey is the dog's bollox. One of my mates got one off some now defunct retro GAA website, I wonder if there's anywhere I might pick one up.

ciarriaithuaidh

keane2097 wrote: »

That halved jersey is the dog's bollox. One of my mates got one off some now defunct retro GAA website, I wonder if there's anywhere I might pick one up.

I agree, it's class. I could be wrong but I'm fairly sure the Kerry GAA store in Killarney had them at one point last year.

That retrogaa site also did a retro tracksuit top, which was mint, with the old crest on it.

keane2097

ciarriaithuaidh wrote: »

I agree, it's class. I could be wrong but I'm fairly sure the Kerry GAA store in Killarney had them at one point last year.

That retrogaa site also did a retro tracksuit top, which was mint, with the old crest on it.

If you happen upon one in that shop or elsewhere at some stage you might pick it up for me and I'll catch you when next you're up.

BPKS

keane2097 wrote: »

That halved jersey is the dog's bollox. One of my mates got one off some now defunct retro GAA website, I wonder if there's anywhere I might pick one up.

Debenhams in Tralee used to have them when they came out first but unlikely they are still there. Any in John Dowlings?;)

keane2097

BPKS wrote: »

Debenhams in Tralee used to have them when they came out first but unlikely they are still there. Any in John Dowlings?;)

I wouldn't have the finances to afford anything in Dowlings!

ciarriaithuaidh

keane2097 wrote: »

If you happen upon one in that shop or elsewhere at some stage you might pick it up for me and I'll catch you when next you're up.

I won't be there myself but I might see if someone could drop in there before Sunday. I'll let you know.

keane2097

ciarriaithuaidh wrote: »

I won't be there myself but I might see if someone could drop in there before Sunday. I'll let you know.

Sound!

ciarriaithuaidh

keane2097 wrote: »

Sound!

Extra small yeah? :pac:

Fr Tod Umptious

Really looking forward to the team announcements tonight and tomorrow.

Something to talk about other than fashion

keane2097

ciarriaithuaidh wrote: »

Extra small yeah? :pac:

Let's say medium to be safe sure!

ciarriaithuaidh

Fr Tod Umptious wrote: »

Really looking forward to the team announcements tonight and tomorrow.

Something to talk about other than fashion

The Galvin effect on Kerry football has been widespread alright!

Couple of interesting team selections alright..if my sources are to be believed, both managers might be holding a couple of players in reserve.

harpsman

ciarriaithuaidh wrote: »

:rolleyes: What kind of a clown am I?!

Was just lookin for an excuse to watch that again.

Iirc in 04 mayo wore red, in 06 bth wore normal colours-which i thought bit silly. Cant remember 05

Edit just reading other post now. Also liked the kerry 81 jersey. Mind u anything would be better than the modrrn shiny muck.

Think donegals Jersey this yr is nice

ciarriaithuaidh

harpsman wrote: »

Was just lookin for an excuse to watch that again.

Iirc in 04 mayo wore red, in 06 bth wore normal colours-which i thought bit silly. Cant remember 05

2005 1/4 final both wore normal colours. Utterly ridiculous really. At least one side should have to change.
In 1997, neither changed but Kerry got a massive gold band in the middle of the jerseys to distinguish.
Better stop talking about fashion or Fr. Tod will get cranky again..:D

Always_Running

Out of interest when is the last time Mayo won a championship game in Croke park wearing red jerseys?

ciarriaithuaidh

Always_Running wrote: »

Out of interest when is the last time Mayo won a championship game in Croke park wearing red jerseys?

2004 semi v Fermanagh?

Boom__Boom

1. Brian Kelly Killarney Legion
2. Marc Ó Sé An Ghaeltacht
3. Aidan O’Mahony Rathmore
4. Shane Enright Tarbert
5. Paul Murphy Rathmore
6. Peter Crowley Laune Rangers
7. Fionn Fitzgerald (Capt) Dr Crokes
8. Anthony Maher Duagh
9. David Moran Kerins O’Rahillys
10. Michael Geaney Dingle
11. Johnny Buckley Dr Crokes
12. Donnchadh Walsh Cromane
13. Stephen O’Brien Kenmare
14. Paul Geaney Dingle
15. James O’Donoghue Killarney Legion


Declan and Bryan on the bench - clearly not fit enough to start

nmjc

Freeman starting at 14 with Moran dropping to the bench

Fr Tod Umptious

ciarriaithuaidh wrote: »

2004 semi v Fermanagh?

Mayo have never preformed well in red, going back to their 1988 Sf loss v Meath.

Sheehan will be missed for long range frees.
Did Buckley take them also if I recall.

DDC1990

As expected really with Declan.

His knees are shot unfortunately.

Crowley will almost certainly work on Aidan O'Shea so a few of these wouldn't go astray.



He is a great man to hit a shoulder, he will need to be physically in tip top shape to compete with AOS.

O'Donaghue will not be the main man on Sunday for Kerry. A lot of dummy runs because he'll most likely be double marked. His runs will leave space for the equally pacy Stephen O'Brien in behind.

One of these should be alright:



Kerry will avoid the middle of the park like the plague. Mayo are far too physical. Kerry will use the wings, and direct footpassing to bypass the O'Shea (x2) Boyle, Vaughan, Keegan physicality around the middle.

Kerry will need to be lively around the breaking ball, as Kevin McLoughlin and recently Doherty have been exceptional around the middle.

Kerry to blitz early and put up a decent lead, before Mayo wear them down and fight back. A strong Kerry bench to help see out a win by 3/4 points.

p.s Watch out for Donaghy

homewardbound11

DDC1990 wrote: »

As expected really with Declan.

His knees are shot unfortunately.

Crowley will almost certainly work on Aidan O'Shea so a few of these wouldn't go astray.



He is a great man to hit a shoulder, he will need to be physically in tip top shape to compete with AOS.

O'Donaghue will not be the main man on Sunday for Kerry. A lot of dummy runs because he'll most likely be double marked. His runs will leave space for the equally pacy Stephen O'Brien in behind.

One of these should be alright:



Kerry will avoid the middle of the park like the plague. Mayo are far too physical. Kerry will use the wings, and direct footpassing to bypass the O'Shea (x2) Boyle, Vaughan, Keegan physicality around the middle.

Kerry will need to be lively around the breaking ball, as Kevin McLoughlin and recently Doherty have been exceptional around the middle.

Kerry to blitz early and put up a decent lead, before Mayo wear them down and fight back. A strong Kerry bench to help see out a win by 3/4 points.

p.s Watch out for Donaghy

Think you lost credibility on donaghy . Modern game is too fast for a very slow player. That is unless Kerry try something new and put him in at full forward.

Fr Tod Umptious

nmjc wrote: »

Freeman starting at 14 with Moran dropping to the bench

That would be a good move.
But I'll wait till I see it from an official source.

Kingdom

Where's Killian Young> benched or injured?

Very interested to see what role Johnny buckley has, and I'd agree that JOD is going to be a smokescreen, huge game for Paul Geaney.

robbiezero

Kingdom wrote: »

Where's Killian Young> benched or injured?

Very interested to see what role Johnny buckley has, and I'd agree that JOD is going to be a smokescreen, huge game for Paul Geaney.

Maybe at this stage of year and in croker kerry are leaving some ammo on the bench. Last 10 minutes has beaten them v Dublin in 2011 and 2013.

Fr Tod Umptious

DDC1990 wrote: »

As expected really with Declan.

His knees are shot unfortunately.

Crowley will almost certainly work on Aidan O'Shea so a few of these wouldn't go astray.



He is a great man to hit a shoulder, he will need to be physically in tip top shape to compete with AOS.

O'Donaghue will not be the main man on Sunday for Kerry. A lot of dummy runs because he'll most likely be double marked. His runs will leave space for the equally pacy Stephen O'Brien in behind.

One of these should be alright:



Kerry will avoid the middle of the park like the plague. Mayo are far too physical. Kerry will use the wings, and direct footpassing to bypass the O'Shea (x2) Boyle, Vaughan, Keegan physicality around the middle.

Kerry will need to be lively around the breaking ball, as Kevin McLoughlin and recently Doherty have been exceptional around the middle.

Kerry to blitz early and put up a decent lead, before Mayo wear them down and fight back. A strong Kerry bench to help see out a win by 3/4 points.

p.s Watch out for Donaghy

Interesting what you say about taking the middle of the park out of the game.

One of my biggest concerns from a Mayo POV is that Horan and Co. are not fully prepared for something like that, even though its a pretty obvious tactics, and they should have a plan for it.

On the idea that Stephen O Brien could be the main man rather than JOD, I feel that there seems to be a lot of expectation for this guy.

If I'm not mistaken this will be his first only his third SFC game and his first in CP, plus he will be going up against a very experienced and mature Mayo defense, its a big ask for him.

Always_Running

I'm more confident of a Mayo win after seeing that Kerry line up.