Irish Rail strike days

end of the road

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

I look forward to the strike next monday, seeing as the schools will be back a solution will be found right away.

is that one definitely going ahead?

mickydoomsux

end of the road wrote: »

is that one definitely going ahead?

Let me just say that the official notices that the company put up about the strike action in my station and in other stations (using a contractor for some reason) were taken down yesterday evening.

Take from that what you will.

cdebru

mickydoomsux wrote: »

Let me just say that the official notices that the company put up about the strike action in my station and in other stations (using a contractor for some reason) were taken down yesterday evening.

Take from that what you will.

2 days strike, intervention, "best we can do " vote just around the time you are missing 2 days pay. All seems oddly familiar for some reason.

Jamie2k9

Talks tomorrow at LRC

devnull

Waste of time, the court is toothless and the authority has been undermined by the unions in any case.

A labour court only works when rulings are accepted by both parties, not when they are accepted when it suits and ignore when it does not.

But if management are forced to make tweaks to their proposals, you watch O'Leary start the hysterics if they refuse to implement them.

He'll bang on about ignoring an independent ruling and how it's unfair on his members, forgetting to mention the fact that they ignored earlier rulings themselves.

Same needs to apply for both parties when it comes to such labour courts, and you can be sure it won't work like that.

onethreefive

Is there any chance at all that the strike will be called off on the 7th? Massive inconvenience for me!

Hilly Bill

mickydoomsux wrote: »

Let me just say that the official notices that the company put up about the strike action in my station and in other stations (using a contractor for some reason) were taken down yesterday evening.

Take from that what you will.

They got a contractor to take down posters that you could have done in a few minutes????????

n97 mini

Hilly Bill wrote: »

They got a contractor to take down posters that you could have done in a few minutes????????

Union says putting up posters isn't part of the job description.

punisher5112

These advertising spaces are managed by a private company just like bus shelters.

cdebru

devnull wrote: »

Waste of time, the court is toothless and the authority has been undermined by the unions in any case.

A labour court only works when rulings are accepted by both parties, not when they are accepted when it suits and ignore when it does not.

But if management are forced to make tweaks to their proposals, you watch O'Leary start the hysterics if they refuse to implement them.

He'll bang on about ignoring an independent ruling and how it's unfair on his members, forgetting to mention the fact that they ignored earlier rulings themselves.

Same needs to apply for both parties when it comes to such labour courts, and you can be sure it won't work like that.

Problem is, is it really independent ?


LRC comprises a chairperson appointed by the relevant minister, and 6 board members 2 from the union side 2 from business side and 2 appointed by the minister.

So lets see the unions are represented there, and the CIE is represented they are a member of IBEC, but hang on the shareholder is also represented with so 5 to 2 in favour of the Company and its shareholder.

Secondly the LRC restricts itself to dealing with the HR issues the issue of subvention cuts it doesn't even consider, the issue of properly funding free travel is a political decision and outside its remit. So the two biggest causes of the hole in the balance sheet are not allowed to be even discussed.

If you look at IE in that vacuum you can only come to one conclusion, there in lies the problem because the LRC can't look at the entire problem, it can't/won't make a recommendation as to whether the cuts to subvention are fair and justified, it can't make a recommendation as to whether the government is properly funding the free travel scheme or if that is part of the problem.

Everyone knows what the LRC does it recommended a 35% pay cut for greyhound workers that is why it is undermined.


What the people here from IE have been saying all along is that pay cuts are the easy option, and that the problem as regards funding and waste need to be addressed the LRC can't/won't do that.

mickydoomsux

punisher5112 wrote: »

These advertising spaces are managed by a private company just like bus shelters.

These were the ones in the station that we normally stick posters for various promo fares etc in. Nothing to do with Adshel or whoever.

I would have had no problem putting them up if i was asked.

Hilly Bill

n97 mini wrote: »

Union says putting up posters isn't part of the job description.

Its an infraction if they do .

Hilly Bill

punisher5112 wrote: »

These advertising spaces are managed by a private company just like bus shelters.

Not those for IR posters.

Infini

cdebru wrote: »

Problem is, is it really independent ?


LRC comprises a chairperson appointed by the relevant minister, and 6 board members 2 from the union side 2 from business side and 2 appointed by the minister.

So lets see the unions are represented there, and the CIE is represented they are a member of IBEC, but hang on the shareholder is also represented with so 5 to 2 in favour of the Company and its shareholder.

Secondly the LRC restricts itself to dealing with the HR issues the issue of subvention cuts it doesn't even consider, the issue of properly funding free travel is a political decision and outside its remit. So the two biggest causes of the hole in the balance sheet are not allowed to be even discussed.

If you look at IE in that vacuum you can only come to one conclusion, there in lies the problem because the LRC can't look at the entire problem, it can't/won't make a recommendation as to whether the cuts to subvention are fair and justified, it can't make a recommendation as to whether the government is properly funding the free travel scheme or if that is part of the problem.

Everyone knows what the LRC does it recommended a 35% pay cut for greyhound workers that is why it is undermined.


What the people here from IE have been saying all along is that pay cuts are the easy option, and that the problem as regards funding and waste need to be addressed the LRC can't/won't do that.

Tbh the way its set up it looks like its rigged in favour of the employer/goverment side. I mean look at it 3 from the minister alone. Realistically it should be independent of ANY political influence whatsoever to have any decent credibility.

Hilly Bill

Well the talks didnt last long then. The usual farce by the NBRU from what ive heard .

Grandeeod

Its a farce in general and I expect more farciscal carry on this week. Nothing has changed and won't until someone shouts "STOP" and then stands over that decision until it changes.

**** all hope of that though.:rolleyes:

steveblack

Government got to step up and pay their fare share.

n97 mini

Strikers don't get paid while out on strike, right?

So if strikers are out for 5 days out of approx 250 working days in a year, that equates to a 2% pay cut.

Ok, there's no revenue generated on those days either, but to walk into an effective 2% cut when you won't accept a 1.6% cut is kind of contradictory.

mickydoomsux

n97 mini wrote: »

Strikers don't get paid while out on strike, right?

So if strikers are out for 5 days out of approx 250 working days in a year, that equates to a 2% pay cut.

Ok, there's no revenue generated on those days either, but to walk into an effective 2% cut when you won't accept a 1.6% cut is kind of contradictory.

That's the aspect that those of us who voted against the pay cut but also voted against striking can't make sense of.

Personally, I don't want to be on strike at all.

Hilly Bill

n97 mini wrote: »

Strikers don't get paid while out on strike, right?

So if strikers are out for 5 days out of approx 250 working days in a year, that equates to a 2% pay cut.

Ok, there's no revenue generated on those days either, but to walk into an effective 2% cut when you won't accept a 1.6% cut is kind of contradictory.

NBRU get around €50 for being on picket duty for 3 hours. Its a bit less for SIPTU.

mickydoomsux

Hilly Bill wrote: »

Its a bit less for SIPTU.

40 big ones!

stop animal cruelty

When will we be told for sure the strike will go ahead or not??? Need the train next weekend

Hilly Bill

Dont be making any travel plans by train on sunday and monday.

mickydoomsux

Hilly Bill wrote: »

Dont be making any travel plans by train on sunday and monday.

Pretty much. If there isn't any move by ,like, Tuesday evening, then it's still on.

tombliboo83

Im sick of the unions playing politics with our jobs. Why not an across the board work to rule? Disruption would be caused and staff get to go to work..on that note, what happens if all out strike is called? Do the unions really think they have a strong enough backing or will staff just say feck it Im going to work. I dont want a paycut but I also dont want o'leary or cullen using us as tools to try and get the govt to the table to discuss funding.
On that note, why havnt the unions been tackling the company in relation to the amount of management in IE and other waste, all along? I know that whenever Ive contacted my union in relation to what I see as corrupt filling of vacancies, they arent interested..

mickydoomsux

tombliboo83 wrote: »

management in IE and other waste, all along? I know that whenever Ive contacted my union in relation to what I see as corrupt filling of vacancies, they arent interested..

They represent the same people that you are complaining about as well.

stop animal cruelty

Hilly Bill wrote: »

Dont be making any travel plans by train on sunday and monday.

checked the website, train to dublin is all booked out

cdebru

tombliboo83 wrote: »

Im sick of the unions playing politics with our jobs. Why not an across the board work to rule? Disruption would be caused and staff get to go to work..on that note, what happens if all out strike is called? Do the unions really think they have a strong enough backing or will staff just say feck it Im going to work. I dont want a paycut but I also dont want o'leary or cullen using us as tools to try and get the govt to the table to discuss funding.
On that note, why havnt the unions been tackling the company in relation to the amount of management in IE and other waste, all along? I know that whenever Ive contacted my union in relation to what I see as corrupt filling of vacancies, they arent interested..

You think getting the shareholder to discuss cuts to the subvention and the funding of free travel is just playing politics ? Eh they wouldn't be trying to cut your wages if there hadn't been massive cuts to the subvention and if the free travel scheme hadn't been frozen at the same level of payment despite the substantial rise in the numbers entitled to it.

It is not playing politics it is actually trying to deal with the organ grinder.

may06

stop animal cruelty wrote: »

checked the website, train to dublin is all booked out

Its not booked out - as far as I know, irish rail are not taking bookings (online etc) on those trains, due to the threatened strike - they announced that on their website

tombliboo83

cdebru wrote: »

You think getting the shareholder to discuss cuts to the subvention and the funding of free travel is just playing politics ? Eh they wouldn't be trying to cut your wages if there hadn't been massive cuts to the subvention and if the free travel scheme hadn't been frozen at the same level of payment despite the substantial rise in the numbers entitled to it.

It is not playing politics it is actually trying to deal with the organ grinder.

Holding the fare paying travelling public to ransom is playing politics. Why no work to rule?? Any service disruption is then directly the fault of the company. Unions issuing threats of all out strike is plainly ridiculous. If us staff are "hard pressed" with the paycut then how feckin hard pressed would we be in an all out strike when multiples of the cut would be lost? Some fellas obviously have more money than brains if they are backing unions calling strike days willy nilly.
As for the free travel scheme, does anybody really believe that FG are going to let us charge pass holder, who are a massive voting block? FG dont give a toss about public transport and I for one dont have hundreds or thousands of euros tucked away for strike in order to make FG care.

mickydoomsux

Good old Paschal is "aiming" to not cut funding to Irish Rail further. I suppose that's the same thing as providing an adequate amount of funding.

We can all rest easy now that he has come out and said he's going to try. Cancel the strike guys, the minister is going to attempt to do his job.

onethreefive

I am going to make it my mission to avoid the train at all costs in the future if this strike goes ahead Sunday. So annoyed.

kingshankly

onethreefive wrote: »

I am going to make it my mission to avoid the train at all costs in the future if this strike goes ahead Sunday. So annoyed.

So your earlier post states this strike is a massive inconvienence for you and your so annoyed yet your willing to inconvienence yourself in the future

Trampas

Strike on all Ireland football final probably be called off now since Donegal made the final

Less people effected

end of the road

onethreefive wrote: »

I am going to make it my mission to avoid the train at all costs in the future if this strike goes ahead Sunday. So annoyed.

over a strike? first world problems TBH. imagine, all the traffic you will get stuck in while the train speeds by, longer commuting hours probably, all over a little strike. you'l be back

n97 mini

end of the road wrote: »

over a strike? first world problems TBH. imagine, all the traffic you will get stuck in while the train speeds by, longer commuting hours probably, all over a little strike. you'l be back

Speeds by? OP is in Clare where the Ennis-Limerick train ambles along at an average 37 mph.

Copyerselveson

n97 mini wrote: »

Speeds by? OP is in Clare where the Ennis-Limerick train ambles along at an average 37 mph.

You can say what you like with statistics but that doesn't tell the whole story does it? The "average" 37 mph speed is nothing to do with any inherent problem with railways in general - is to do with speed restrictions on the line because the Department isn't providing enough money to the railway to allow a more appropriate 70 or 90 mph speed on the line.

The trains themselves can travel at far higher speeds than at present. It is the lack of investment and in my opinion a deliberate starving of the rail structure of funds that causes the average speeds to be lower than they should be. Then anti-rail fanatics and department of transport mandarins who want to destroy Ireland's railways can use these statistics to throw mud on internet forums in the hope that mud will be picked up by willing journalists with nothing better to do than follow their master's orders and print yet another anti rail propaganda piece to soften up public opinion for savage and far reaching rail closures.

I bet the Irish Independent won't print that inconvienient truth.

kingshankly

n97 mini wrote: »

Speeds by? OP is in Clare where the Ennis-Limerick train ambles along at an average 37 mph.

I drive the enterprise at 90!

n97 mini

Copyerselveson wrote: »

You can say what you like with statistics

It's not statistics, it's fact!

EOTR maintained the train speeds by at 37 mph.

Hilly Bill

kingshankly wrote: »

I drive the enterprise at 90!

Thats a fair old age to be driving a train .

end of the road

n97 mini wrote: »

It's not statistics, it's fact!

EOTR maintained the train speeds by at 37 mph.

no i didn't. you were the one who said the train travels at 37 MPH. so prove it

cython

end of the road wrote: »

no i didn't. you were the one who said the train travels at 37 MPH. so prove it

Actual average speed of the train is likely a (tiny!) bit above 37MPH given the circuitous route compared to by road, but completing a journey that by road is about 38km in approx 37 mins is pretty close to 60kph, which comes out at a road-equivalent speed (and this is probably the important comparison, since road is likely the alternative) of about 37.3MPH. Let's be generous and say even 38MPH, it's still not blisteringly fast, is it? Basis for all the above. Road may not be much faster either, but for the most part the train isn't going to "speed" past that much.

And ultimately the emphasis was put on your use of the term speeds and it strikes me that this description was what n97 mini was referring to rather than the actual speed, but I suspect you realised that when you replied.....

n97 mini

end of the road wrote: »

no i didn't. you were the one who said the train travels at 37 MPH. so prove it

Ooh, fightin' talk! Cythos has provided an alternate proof above, but for my sums I used RUI's fare calculator showing the distance to be 38.36km. Irish Rail's timetable shows the journey time between Ennis and Limerick to be 39 to 40 minutes, which is slightly less than 60 km/h, or about 37 mph.

As Cythos also rightly pointed out, I don't think telling someone in Co Clare who has given up on the train that speeds by at 37 mph is going to win them back.

I haven't worked out the Ennis-Galway route yet but will for the gallery, who knows it might be better.

end of the road

n97 mini wrote: »

Ooh, fightin' talk! Cythos has provided an alternate proof above, but for my sums I used RUI's fare calculator showing the distance to be 38.36km. Irish Rail's timetable shows the journey time between Ennis and Limerick to be 39 to 40 minutes, which is slightly less than 60 km/h, or about 37 mph.

As Cythos also rightly pointed out, I don't think telling someone in Co Clare who has given up on the train that speeds by at 37 mph is going to win them back.

I haven't worked out the Ennis-Galway route yet but will for the gallery, who knows it might be better.

speeds by while he/she is stuck in traffic is what i said. mentioned no exact speeds. i still say he/she will be back

n97 mini

n97 mini wrote: »

I haven't worked out the Ennis-Galway route yet but will for the gallery, who knows it might be better.

Ok, for the new bit, Atheny to Ennis, RUI puts it at ~58km. Irish Rail has it as taking 45 to 59 minutes. Not sure why there is such a variation, but that's not the question. At 59 the average is again around 37 mph, whereas at 45 minutes the average speed is a heady 77 km/h. For those of us used to old money that's 48 mph.

n97 mini

end of the road wrote: »

speeds by while he/she is stuck in traffic is what i said. mentioned no exact speeds. i still say he/she will be back

Ambles I would say is a more accurate description. I'm not familiar with that route, is it known for traffic jams? Dublin Coach seem to show a consistent 45 minutes on their timetables from Ennis to Limerick, which seems to be quicker than the train as it happens.

may06

So the strikes are off now I believe..

cdebru

may06 wrote: »

So the strikes are off now I believe..

Shockingly predictable.

kingshankly

All strikes called of

Speak Now

kingshankly wrote: »

All strikes called of

Is it just me or can you still not book tickets on line for Sunday?