Juicing

MadDog76 · 03-09-2014 10:27am

jh79 wrote: »

So you agree juicing isn't necessary for a healthy lifestyle and gives no advantage beyond providing an easy method to increase fruit and veg intake?

I didn't say juicing doesn't give one an advantage health-wise, in fact I'm saying it absolutely does give one a huge advantage ............

jh79 · 03-09-2014 10:28am

MadDog76 wrote: »

I didn't say juicing doesn't give one an advantage health-wise, in fact I'm saying it absolutely does give one a huge advantage ............

Which is?

MadDog76 · 03-09-2014 10:31am

Alf Veedersane wrote: »

Care to expand?

Well I could (as lots of posters do) provide links to studies by doctors/scientists etc. to "prove" that what I'm teeling you is true but that's easy and what would be the point?
You would just google until you find a study to say the opposite and post it as a reply to refute the fact that heat kills nutrients .........

MadDog76 · 03-09-2014 10:39am

jh79 wrote: »

Which is?

What's the point in telling you that?
It won't change your ill-informed opinion ......... if you really really want to know then try it

I didn't believe it when I first heard about juicing then somebody close to me (who has been juicing for over 8 years) challenged me to try it for at least 7 days so I accepted the challenge ........... still didn't believe him on days 1, 2 and 3 .......... started to waiver on day 4 and by day 7 I knew that he knew exactly what he was talking about ......... so I continued to juice (the first time) for a total of 15 days!
Haven't looked back since and will always advise and encourage anybody who is interested in getting into juicing!

Essien · 03-09-2014 10:40am

It's hilarious that words like "qualified" and "prove" are in quotation marks.

Sure who needs reality anyway.

mickman · 03-09-2014 10:46am

MadDog76 wrote: »

What's the point in telling you that?
It won't change your ill-informed opinion ......... if you really really want to know then try it

I didn't believe it when I first heard about juicing then somebody close to me (who has been juicing for over 8 years) challenged me to try it for at least 7 days so I accepted the challenge ........... still didn't believe him on days 1, 2 and 3 .......... started to waiver on day 4 and by day 7 I knew that he knew exactly what he was talking about ......... so I continued to juice (the first time) for a total of 15 days!
Haven't looked back since and will always advise and encourage anybody who is interested in getting into juicing!

fair enough. it works for you

i tried it and didnt like it at all. I love vegetables but in juice form they made me sick and just didnt feel right drinking it

Alf Veedersane · 03-09-2014 10:47am

MadDog76 wrote: »

Well I could (as lots of posters do) provide links to studies by doctors/scientists etc. to "prove" that what I'm teeling you is true but that's easy and what would be the point?
You would just google until you find a study to say the opposite and post it as a reply to refute the fact that heat kills nutrients .........

Are you even going to try and suggest a figure for heat?

I mean room temperature qualifies as 'heat'.

Each to their own and all that but if you're going to start posting something as fact that could potentially mislead someone, at least try to be a little less vague.

MadDog76 · 03-09-2014 10:51am

Essien wrote: »

It's hilarious that words like "qualified" and "prove" are in quotation marks. Sure who needs reality anyway.

Ok ....... the reality is those who juice know, those who don't juice don't know and those who don't juice but are willing to try it will find out for themselves regardless of what any doctor or study will tell you

MadDog76 · 03-09-2014 10:54am

mickman wrote: »

fair enough. it works for you

i tried it and didnt like it at all. I love vegetables but in juice form they made me sick and just didnt feel right drinking it

How long did you juice for?
Did you juice only?
What quantities of which fruit and vegetables did you juice?
How many juices did you drink in a day and what amount of juice was each juice?

mickman · 03-09-2014 10:56am

MadDog76 wrote: »

How long did you juice for?
Did you juice only?
What quantities of which fruit and vegetables did you juice?
How many juices did you drink in a day and what amount of juice was each juice?

didnt juice fruit

juiced in morning - used carrots / spinach / beets if i remember correctly.

quantity varied

MadDog76 · 03-09-2014 10:57am

Alf Veedersane wrote: »

Are you even going to try and suggest a figure for heat?

I mean room temperature qualifies as 'heat'.

Each to their own and all that but if you're going to start posting something as fact that could potentially mislead someone, at least try to be a little less vague.

Absolutely room temperature qualifies as heat .......... it's best to drink the juice immediately after juicing but failing that it's important to refrigerate the juice immediately in an air-tight flask and drink as soon as possible.

As regards being vague please feel free to ask me a specific question regarding juicing and I'll do my best to answer you

MadDog76 · 03-09-2014 11:00am

mickman wrote: »

didnt juice fruit

juiced in morning - used carrots / spinach / beets if i remember correctly.

quantity varied

Not enough information there to give any advise on where you went wrong, however I will say it doesn't sound like you followed any specific plan ......... it's advisable to study juicing, set out a plan for a specific amount of time and to follow through with the plan

Alf Veedersane · 03-09-2014 11:01am

MadDog76 wrote: »

Absolutely room temperature qualifies as heat .......... it's best to drink the juice immediately after juicing but failing that it's important to refrigerate the juice immediately in an air-tight flask and drink as soon as possible.

Right.

So the fruit and/or veg exist in a state of non-heat before they've been bought, brought home and in the interim before it was juiced.

What percentage of nutrients have they from when they were picked to when they were juiced, being subjected to heat all this time?

Penny Tration · 03-09-2014 11:06am

I juiced for a week. Only juiced vegetables, no fruit. Had 3 glasses a day, sometimes 4.

Spent the week with the ****s, lost 4lbs, felt awful, had to go home sick from work because I was exhausted. Stuck with it for 7 days. The diahorrea lasted 7 days. Never again. I'll stick to eating veg.

MadDog76 · 03-09-2014 11:42am

Alf Veedersane wrote: »

Right.

So the fruit and/or veg exist in a state of non-heat before they've been bought, brought home and in the interim before it was juiced.

What percentage of nutrients have they from when they were picked to when they were juiced, being subjected to heat all this time?

That depends on where they were grown and where you buy them .......... buying organically will help .......... in an ideal world you would grow your own but for obvious reasons that's not a viable option ........ a basic rule of thumb is the less human intervention your food has the better it is for you

Alf Veedersane · 03-09-2014 11:48am

MadDog76 wrote: »

That depends on where they were grown and where you buy them .......... buying organically will help .......... in an ideal world you would grow your own but for obvious reasons that's not a viable option ........ a basic rule of thumb is the less human intervention your food has the better it is for you

That doesn't answer though.

What is the level of nutrient loss from the moment they are picked to going into the juice, considering they are subject to heat all the while?

And what level of nutrient loss do you have from the fruit/vegetable as a whole when you just extract the juice?

MadDog76 · 03-09-2014 11:54am

green_screen wrote: »

I juiced for a week. Only juiced vegetables, no fruit. Had 3 glasses a day, sometimes 4.

Spent the week with the ****s, lost 4lbs, felt awful, had to go home sick from work because I was exhausted. Stuck with it for 7 days. The diahorrea lasted 7 days. Never again. I'll stick to eating veg.

Although some people do experience slight diahorrea or constipation in the first 3/4 days (afterall juicing is a dramatic lifestyle change for most people) your bowel movements will return to normal ............. in your case there could have been a number of reasons this happened to you .......... you may have rapidly increased the amount of soluble fibre intake compared to your normal diet, the introduction of digestive enzymes released in the juicing process, you may have an underlying tendency toward diarrhea/frequent stools including history of irritable bowel syndrome ........... straight away I can tell you should have added fruit to your juices for the pectin, a green apple for example which keeps you moving along as normal.

Drink plenty of water, electrolyte rich fluids such as unflavoured cocnut water and stay away from juicing gas producing vegetables like broccoli, cauliflower and cabbage.

Of course all this advise is irrelevant to you now after the fact as you are probably turned off juicing for life which is a real shame ........... if only you had done it properly in the first place

MadDog76 · 03-09-2014 11:56am

Alf Veedersane wrote: »

That doesn't answer though.

What is the level of nutrient loss from the moment they are picked to going into the juice, considering they are subject to heat all the while?

And what level of nutrient loss do you have from the fruit/vegetable as a whole when you just extract the juice?

The first question cannot be answered accurately as it depends where you source your fruit and vegetables ...........

As for your second question it depends on what juicer you use ......... as previously stated if you use a good quality masticating slow cold-press juicer the nutrient loss will be minimal.

meitina · 03-09-2014 11:59am

mickman wrote: »

didnt juice fruit

juiced in morning - used carrots / spinach / beets if i remember correctly.

quantity varied

Just a question -
Did you juice and drank beetroot, straight away?
No wonder that made you sick.
Beetroot juice should never be used before left to oxidise. It is a very powerful juice. It stimulates production of detoxifying enzymes in liver and bile. And only used in little amounts.
Starting with 20 ml. Slowly increased to 100ml a day. Which I find is enough. And even then could cause a little nauseating feeling.
It usually is the worst if body needs a lot of detoxifying.

mickman · 03-09-2014 12:06pm

meitina wrote: »

Just a question -
Did you juice and drank beetroot, straight away?
No wonder that made you sick.
Beetroot juice should never be used before left to oxidise. It is a very powerful juice. It stimulates production of detoxifying enzymes in liver and bile. And only used in little amounts.
Starting with 20 ml. Slowly increased to 100ml a day. Which I find is enough. And even then could cause a little nauseating feeling.
It usually is the worst if body needs a lot of detoxifying.

yeah drank it right away and used a full one :-)

didnt stay down long

Alf Veedersane · 03-09-2014 12:06pm

MadDog76 wrote: »

The first question cannot be answered accurately as it depends where you source your fruit and vegetables ...........

As for your second question it depends on what juicer you use ......... as previously stated if you use a good quality masticating slow cold-press juicer the nutrient loss will be minimal.

A range will suffice?

If solid is left behind, nutrients are left behind.

RGDATA! · 03-09-2014 12:08pm

MadDog76 wrote: »

Although some people do experience slight diahorrea or constipation in the first 3/4 days (afterall juicing is a dramatic lifestyle change for most people) your bowel movements will return to normal ............. in your case there could have been a number of reasons this happened to you .......... you may have rapidly increased the amount of soluble fibre intake compared to your normal diet, the introduction of digestive enzymes released in the juicing process, you may have an underlying tendency toward diarrhea/frequent stools including history of irritable bowel syndrome ........... straight away I can tell you should have added fruit to your juices for the pectin, a green apple for example which keeps you moving along as normal.

Drink plenty of water, electrolyte rich fluids such as unflavoured cocnut water and stay away from juicing gas producing vegetables like broccoli, cauliflower and cabbage.

Of course all this advise is irrelevant to you now after the fact as you are probably turned off juicing for life which is a real shame ........... if only you had done it properly in the first place

2 questions:
when you say " the introduction of digestive enzymes released in the juicing process"
1) are you referring to enzymes coming from the fruit/veg you are juicing?
2) what is it about the juicing process that releases these enzymes vs just eating the fruit/veg whole?

MadDog76 · 03-09-2014 12:21pm

Alf Veedersane wrote: »

A range will suffice?

If solid is left behind, nutrients are left behind.

Insoluble fibre is left behind .......... the better your juicer the dryer your pulp will be, the dryer your pulp the more nutrients you will be drinking in your juice

Alf Veedersane · 03-09-2014 12:24pm

MadDog76 wrote: »

Insoluble fibre is left behind .......... the better your juicer the dryer your pulp will be, the dryer your pulp the more nutrients you will be drinking in your juice

So...versus eating the fruit/veg?

MadDog76 · 03-09-2014 12:26pm

RGDATA! wrote: »

2 questions:
when you say " the introduction of digestive enzymes released in the juicing process"
1) are you referring to enzymes coming from the fruit/veg you are juicing?
2) what is it about the juicing process that releases these enzymes vs just eating the fruit/veg whole?

1) Yes
2) Heat

MadDog76 · 03-09-2014 12:29pm

Alf Veedersane wrote: »

So...versus eating the fruit/veg?

Although we do need some insoluble fibre most of the insoluble fibre we take in is waste (ie poo) .......... our bodies juice (in simple terms) our food, extract the nutrients and reject the insoluble fibre (pulp) ......... obviously juicing your food first means you can intake a higher amount/quality of nutrients without your body having to work so hard

Alf Veedersane · 03-09-2014 12:52pm

MadDog76 wrote: »

Although we do need some insoluble fibre most of the insoluble fibre we take in is waste (ie poo) .......... our bodies juice (in simple terms) our food, extract the nutrients and reject the insoluble fibre (pulp) ......... obviously juicing your food first means you can intake a higher amount/quality of nutrients without your body having to work so hard

Your body having to work harder to break it down isn't necessarily a bad thing.

mickman · 03-09-2014 12:55pm

MadDog76 wrote: »

Although we do need some insoluble fibre most of the insoluble fibre we take in is waste (ie poo) .......... our bodies juice (in simple terms) our food, extract the nutrients and reject the insoluble fibre (pulp) ......... obviously juicing your food first means you can intake a higher amount/quality of nutrients without your body having to work so hard

but our body working to digest etc is NORMAL - this is the way its supposed to be done!

MadDog76 · 03-09-2014 1:06pm

Alf Veedersane wrote: »

Your body having to work harder to break it down isn't necessarily a bad thing.

Not necessarily a bad thing but it all depends on what you've been eating over the years ........... if you've had a really poor low-nutrient diet for a long time (juicing especially benefits those who have) then your body will have been under extreme pressure attempting to extract nutrients from pizza, burgers etc. and will need a break along with plenty of extra nutrients.

As I said, we do need some insoluble fibre partly so that our bodies work hard to break it down ...........

Alf Veedersane · 03-09-2014 1:08pm

MadDog76 wrote: »

Not necessarily a bad thing but it all depends on what you've been eating over the years ........... if you've had a really poor low-nutrient diet for a long time (juicing especially benefits those who have) then your body will have been under extreme pressure attempting to extract nutrients from pizza, burgers etc. and will need a break along with plenty of extra nutrients.

As I said, we do need some insoluble fibre partly so that our bodies work hard to break it down ...........

But if you haven't spent your life eating pizza and other highly processed carb-dense food?

MadDog76 · 03-09-2014 1:08pm

mickman wrote: »

but our body working to digest etc is NORMAL - this is the way its supposed to be done!

It depends on what your body has been digesting over the years ........... it's not normal to eat the way we've been eating as a society over the last couple of decades.

MadDog76 · 03-09-2014 1:09pm

Alf Veedersane wrote: »

But if you haven't spent your life eating pizza and other highly processed carb-dense food?

I'd say "well done"?

niamh.foley · 03-09-2014 1:13pm

I have a Philips Juicer use it every morning After Training and before work,

love jucing fruit / Veg

what i normaly have is in the Morning

Lemon, Lime, 2 Apples, 3 Carrots, 1 peach, and maybe a pear..

Orange and Pineapple is nice aswell.

if your Drinking Beetroot like my self cant stand the Earthly Taste, maybe Juice the Beet first then add some Lemon & Lime to kill the Earthly Taste.

Alf Veedersane · 03-09-2014 1:19pm

MadDog76 wrote: »

It depends on what your body has been digesting over the years ........... it's not normal to eat the way we've been eating as a society over the last couple of decades.

In the history of mankind, when did people juice?

papu · 03-09-2014 1:22pm

Alf Veedersane wrote: »

In the history of mankind, when did people juice?

This.

MadDog76 · 03-09-2014 1:34pm

Alf Veedersane wrote: »

In the history of mankind, when did people juice?

In historic terms quite recently, I believe juicing started to develop in the early 50's ............ much like fast food!!

MadDog76 · 03-09-2014 1:35pm

papu wrote: »

This.

LOL!!!

cuculainn · 03-09-2014 1:39pm

MadDog76 wrote: »

That used to be a human's meal before we got lazy and corrupted our bodies ........ we're the only mammal on the planet that cook our food

something to do with having opposable thumbs......makes cooking easier

MadDog76 · 03-09-2014 1:41pm

cuculainn wrote: »

something to do with having opposable thumbs......makes cooking easier

Humans can do lots of things with their thumbs ........ not always good things!

Alf Veedersane · 03-09-2014 1:45pm

MadDog76 wrote: »

In historic terms quite recently, I believe juicing started to develop in the early 50's ............ much like fast food!!

Do what our ancestors did with fruit and veg before the advent of fast food and juicing.

Win.

MadDog76 · 03-09-2014 1:50pm

Alf Veedersane wrote: »

Do what our ancestors did with fruit and veg before the advent of fast food and juicing.

Win.

By ancestors do you mean cavemen?

There's no comparison to our ancestors diets and what/how we eat today :rolleyes:

jh79 · 03-09-2014 1:51pm

MadDog76 wrote: »

By ancestors do you mean cavemen?

There's no comparison to our ancestors diets and what/how we eat today :rolleyes:

Prior to electricity?

Alf Veedersane · 03-09-2014 1:53pm

MadDog76 wrote: »

By ancestors do you mean cavemen?

There's no comparison to our ancestors diets and what/how we eat today :rolleyes:

True. We have spices to put on meat.

Mmmmm...spices.

But I wouldn't be juicing as some sort of panacea for a bad diet. If your diet is fine, why do you need to juice?

papu · 03-09-2014 1:56pm

MadDog76 wrote: »

By ancestors do you mean cavemen?

There's no comparison to our ancestors diets and what/how we eat today :rolleyes:

What's a , Paleo diet.

MadDog76 · 03-09-2014 2:02pm

jh79 wrote: »

Prior to electricity?

Exactly!! They wouldn't juice because they wouldn't have the knowledge we have today and they couldn't juice because they had no electricity!!

MadDog76 · 03-09-2014 2:04pm

Alf Veedersane wrote: »

True. We have spices to put on meat.

Mmmmm...spices.

But I wouldn't be juicing as some sort of panacea for a bad diet. If your diet is fine, why do you need to juice?

If you go to the gym a couple times a week do you need to go 3 or 4 times? No
Could you benefit from going 3 or 4 times? Yes

Alf Veedersane · 03-09-2014 2:05pm

MadDog76 wrote: »

If you go to the gym a couple times a week do you need to go 3 or 4 times? No
Could you benefit from going 3 or 4 times? Yes

I benefit more from eating the fruit and veg.

That's how I roll...makin' logic gainz.

MadDog76 · 03-09-2014 2:07pm

papu wrote: »

What's a , Paleo diet.

Isn't that what cavemen ate???
If you're on a paleo diet (I believe?) you can only eat what cavemen could eat ........... so no mars bars for a start!!

MadDog76 · 03-09-2014 2:09pm

Alf Veedersane wrote: »

I benefit more from eating the fruit and veg.

That's how I roll...makin' logic gainz.

I bet I could juice and drink more raw vegetables than you could eat!

jh79 · 03-09-2014 2:12pm

MadDog76 wrote: »

Exactly!! They wouldn't juice because they wouldn't have the knowledge we have today and they couldn't juice because they had no electricity!!

They wouldn't know what a pointless exercise it is if you already have a balanced diet

Juicing

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