Murder hate crime (blacks kill whites)

speedboatchase

bb1234567 wrote: »

I dont care what the guy did, and whatever he did do it didnt warrant the death penalty

If you don't care what he did, don't make up your own facts and say there was "no good reason" he was shot.

bb1234567

speedboatchase wrote: »

If you don't care what he did, don't make up your own facts and say there was "no good reason" he was shot.

I'm sorry but Michael Brown was shot at 6 times from behind, 35 feet away from the police car. He was fleeing and unarmed. He was not a fugitive. The officer had no right to kill him. It was murder.

mikemac1

bb1234567 wrote: »

But Michael brown did surrender and was running away from the police man as the bullet hit him in the back.

This makes no sense

How is he surrendering if he's escaping at the same time

Sunglasses Ron

mikemac1 wrote: »

This makes no sense

How is he surrendering if he's escaping at the same time

Sense?

Truth?

From the PC brigade?

Ah here now :pac::pac:

The fact is, this little scobe threw his weight around against what appears to be an Indian store owner, a fairly non aggressive and fairly small race of people from my experience. I don't think anyone should e sentenced, at trial, to death for a mere robbery. But if death results from a confrontation after, or during, a robbery....well sh'it happens

Why?

Because he was built like a bouncer and knew he could get away with pushing this wee man around.

And we are meant to feel sorry when a cop with a gun took him out? It is the Frog Ward situation all over again- an old man is threatened by a more able bodied scummer and his son. He does the right thing in finishing him off, and he goes to jail for it, with the Criminal Rights Board (or Pavee Point as they otherwise call themselves) all over the story . Pathetic. I laughed my hole off when Frog Ward got his comeuppance and I can't wait for the day it happens again. The day when some hard working homeowner says f'uck the law and puts a few into some 200 convictions but only two prison sentences scumbag who would already serving 90 years in a country with a proper judicial system.

bb1234567 wrote: »

I dont care what the guy did, and whatever he did do it didnt warrant the death penalty

If, when I was 18, I did what he did in that convenience store, my own father would say the police were right to deal with me in the manner they did. Quit enabling scum FFS.

Nodin

jank wrote: »

Ah, so you agree that the whole race issue in the US has been overblown so.

No, I just don't believe that we should start thinking that the result of poverty is somehow a product of race.

jank

Nodin wrote: »

No, I just don't believe that we should start thinking that the result of poverty is somehow a product of race.

Therefore we should not think that the result of race is to end up in poverty... Cant have it both ways Nodin.

Nodin

jank wrote: »

Therefore we should not think that the result of race is to end up in poverty... .

Why would that be? Also, I'm fairly sure the notion was that racism was what led to poverty, not race.

jank

bb1234567 wrote: »

Well as far as I know, he was a thief. But the cop who shot him was unaware of the robbery committed by Michael Brown at the time of the shooting. I know Michael brown shoved the cop and punched him and yes he deserved to be arrested obviously. But Michael brown did surrender and was running away from the police man as the bullet hit him in the back. No matter what crime Michael brown committed, the point is an unarmed fleeing civilian was shot dead from behind.

Again, you are wrong. Autopsy suggests that he was shot from the front not from the back. http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/official-autopsy-michael-brown-had-marijuana-in-his-system-was-shot-6-times/2014/08/18/8c016ef8-26f4-11e4-8593-da634b334390_story.html

Again, we should wait for an investigation to conclude before pronouncing statements of 'fact' and trying this through the media in an attempt for grinding axes.

jank

Nodin wrote: »

Why would that be? Also, I'm fairly sure the notion was that racism was what led to poverty, not race.

So you do want to have your cake and eat it. No surprises there. People can blame all kinds of things for their predicament but how about looking at one self for a starters. What you are saying is that the black population under achieve in education, wages and jobs and over represent themselves in crime solely due to racism?

Carlos Orange

bb1234567 wrote: »

I'm sorry but Michael Brown was shot at 6 times from behind, 35 feet away from the police car. He was fleeing and unarmed. He was not a fugitive. The officer had no right to kill him. It was murder.

Why do all the autopsies say he was shot from the front then?

james66

Just donated 100 euro to help Officer Darren Wilson. 330k raised so far.

Hootanany

james66 wrote: »

Just donated 100 euro to help Officer Darren Wilson. 330k raised so far.

Checks in the post:cool:

Nodin

jank wrote: »

So you do want to have your cake and eat it. No surprises there. People can blame all kinds of things for their predicament but how about looking at one self for a starters. What you are saying is that the black population under achieve in education, wages and jobs and over represent themselves in crime solely due to racism?

I'd say that's a large part of the problem.


Are you saying they "under achieve in education, wages and jobs and over represent themselves in crime solely due to" the fact they're black?

jank

Nodin wrote: »

I'd say that's a large part of the problem.


Are you saying they "under achieve in education, wages and jobs and over represent themselves in crime solely due to" the fact they're black?

I have already answered this.

A 'large' part you say. How large and can you quantify it?

Nodin

jank wrote: »

I have already answered this.

Where?

jank wrote: »

A 'large' part you say. How large and can you quantify it?

Of course it can't be precisely quantified. This isn't an exercise in accountancy. When you read a study like this, however, its evident that it is indeed widespread and prevalent


The catch was that the authors manipulated the perception of race via the name of each applicant, with comparable credentials for each racial group. Each resume was randomly assigned either a very white-sounding name (Emily Walsh, Brendan Baker) or a very African-American-sounding name (Lakisha Washington, Jamal Jones).
The authors find that applicants with white-sounding names are 50 percent more likely to get called for an initial interview than applicants with African-American-sounding names. Applicants with white names need to send about 10 resumes to get one callback, whereas applicants with African-American names need to send about 15 resumes to achieve the same result.
http://www.chicagobooth.edu/capideas/spring03/racialbias.html

jank

Nodin wrote: »

Of course it can't be precisely quantified. This isn't an exercise in accountancy. When you read a study like this, however, its evident that it is indeed widespread and prevalent

Where is it evident and wide spread precisely?
No one is saying racism doesn't exist. However, it is a bit rich to say that there is huge systematic racism in all walks of life at play in the US because black people, males especially suffer hugely from crime, poverty and access to education. What systematic racism is at play specifically to cause black Americans who make up 13% of the population to make up 50% of those murdered, 91% of them by other blacks...how is this due to racism.

Answer please while noting that the President of the US is black and the Attorney General is also black. Also note that the black population in the US are THE most prosperous, THE most educated and THE most wealthy out of any black population in the world.

Nodin

jank wrote: »

Where is it evident and wide spread precisely?
No one is saying racism doesn't exist. However, it is a bit rich to say that there is huge systematic racism in all walks of life at play in the US because black people, males especially suffer hugely from crime, poverty and access to education. What systematic racism is at play specifically to cause black Americans who make up 13% of the population to make up 50% of those murdered, 91% of them by other blacks...how is this due to racism..

Where did I say that?

Do you have any comment to make on the survey I linked?

You might start here as in regard to your other questions
https://www.aclu.org/criminal-law-reform/new-aclu-report-finds-overwhelming-racial-bias-marijuana-arrests

jank

Nodin wrote: »

Where did I say that?

The tone of the posts and the line of questioning. Anyone who questions the status-que of progressive liberal thinking in relation to poverty of blacks in the US or other minorities are themselves racist or harbor racists feelings. You have did it yourself in this thread. What about blacks themselves who speak out against this narrative. They are regularly called 'Uncle Toms' by their own. The issue is not race, its culture.

Nodin

jank wrote: »

The tone of the posts and the line of questioning. Anyone who questions the status-que of progressive liberal thinking in relation to poverty of blacks in the US or other minorities are themselves racist or harbor racists feelings. You have did it yourself in this thread. What about blacks themselves who speak out against this narrative. They are regularly called 'Uncle Toms' by their own. The issue is not race, its culture.

It's odd. You asked me to quantify something earlier, and I've presented two studies thus far to show that - although you can't point to racism in society in absolute definitive terms of 'x amount of people are racist' - there is indeed evidence that it is widespread. Thus far, all you've contributed is hot air and the usual 'rawwrr the lefties' rant.

Would you care to comment on the studies I've linked?

jank

How do these studies tie in to the fact that huge amounts of homicides are carried out by black Americans against their fellow black Americans?

Similar studies are shown in countries such as Australia where resumes with Anglo sounding names are 'generally' better received then non-Anglo names, yet this does not correlate at all to the amount of crime perpetrated by certain minorities. If one did a study like that in Ireland I am sure there would be discrepancies. I wonder if one did such a study in countries with Anglo/white minorities would the results be reversed e.g. say China and South Africa. The knee jerk reaction could be to say racism but it could be indicative of something else entirely.

Nodin

jank wrote: »

How do these studies tie in to the fact that huge amounts of homicides are carried out by black Americans against their fellow black Americans? .

....joined up thinking. It's great, really.

jank wrote: »

Similar studies are shown in countries such as Australia where resumes with Anglo sounding names are 'generally' better received then non-Anglo names, yet this does not correlate at all to the amount of crime perpetrated by certain minorities. .................

Racism=poverty=crime......

PeteFalk78

Nodin wrote: »

Racism=poverty=crime......

You could put those in any order you wish and still be equally right.

Nodin

PeteFalk78 wrote: »

You could put those in any order you wish and still be equally right.

Not in this instance, no.

jank

Nodin wrote: »

Racism=poverty=crime......

Isn't it great to live in a simple world where one doesn't even have to question pre-conceived convictions. There was racist policies against the Jews in Europe for the best part of 400 years. Where is the poverty and where is the crime that should naturally follow by your logic.

AlekSmart

Nodin wrote: »

Where?

Of course it can't be precisely quantified.This isn't an exercise in accountancy.When you read a study like this, however, its evident that it is indeed widespread and prevalent

The catch was that the authors manipulated the perception of race via the name of each applicant, with comparable credentials for each racial group. Each resume was randomly assigned either a very white-sounding name (Emily Walsh, Brendan Baker) or a very African-American-sounding name (Lakisha Washington, Jamal Jones).

The authors find that applicants with white-sounding names are 50 percent more likely to get called for an initial interview than applicants with African-American-sounding names. Applicants with white names need to send about 10 resumes to get one callback,whereas applicants with African-American names need to send about 15 resumes to achieve the same result.
http://www.chicagobooth.edu/capideas/spring03/racialbias.html

An opinion that some things "Can't be precisely quantified" is indeed significant,as heretofore there was a suggestion that if anything could'nt be linked or referenced to then it simply could'nt be considered.

Therefore I would suggest that the Readers predisposition would be the best guide of how they arrive at the "widespread and prevalent" conclusion.

The "catch",I would suggest,is far more to do with the reader's belief that there simply HAS to be a catch to facilitate jumping to inspired conclusions ?

AlekSmart

jank wrote: »

Isn't it great to live in a simple world where one doesn't even have to question pre-conceived convictions. There was racist policies against the Jews in Europe for the best part of 400 years. Where is the poverty and where is the crime that should naturally follow by your logic.

Racism=poverty=crime.

I often wonder what the definition of "Racism" actually is for many folk...?

Billy86

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

Isn't that what American liberals say about every conservative publication.

The top of every page on their website links to something called 'jihadwatch.org'.

Nuff said.

Nodin

jank wrote: »

Isn't it great to live in a simple world where one doesn't even have to question pre-conceived convictions. There was racist policies against the Jews in Europe for the best part of 400 years. Where is the poverty and where is the crime that should naturally follow by your logic.

....yes, because the story of the Jews in Europe and that of African Americans are an exact parallel. Why is it that rather than discuss studies of racism in the states, you'd rather go off on a tangent with these silly comparisons?


Are you trying to imply that the African American population are somehow at fault here? Do please explain.

Nodin

AlekSmart wrote: »

An opinion (............)inspired conclusions ?

More guff, more heat, yet still no light.

jank

Nodin wrote: »

....yes, because the story of the Jews in Europe and that of African Americans are an exact parallel. Why is it that rather than discuss studies of racism in the states, you'd rather go off on a tangent with these silly comparisons?

Of course it was different but you claim that 'Racism=poverty=crime'. It seems a pretty idiotic and constrained argument that does not lead itself to be misinterpreted or indeed account for different circumstances. Now you are arguing against your own argument. Well done.

Nodin

jank wrote: »

Of course it was different but you claim that 'Racism=poverty=crime'. It seems a pretty idiotic and constrained argument that does not lead itself to be misinterpreted or indeed account for different circumstances. Now you are arguing against your own argument. Well done.

Again, off on a tangent. Do you want to discuss racism in the US based on what data is available or not?

jank

Nodin wrote: »

Again, off on a tangent. Do you want to discuss racism in the US based on what data is available or not?

Its not off tangent. You were caught out and are now trying to deflect attention away from the fact and your own facile argument.

Racism = Poverty = Crime... please do explain this one to us

Nodin

jank wrote: »

Its not off tangent. You were caught out and are now trying to deflect attention away from the fact and your own facile argument.

Racism = Poverty = Crime... please do explain this one to us

Racism puts black people in poverty which leads to crime. Its fairly straightforward.

jank

Racism was directed against many other peoples' as well, like the Jews for example. Why have they not resorted to crime and live in poverty?

Nodin

jank wrote: »

Racism was directed against many other peoples' as well, like the Jews for example. Why have they not resorted to crime and live in poverty?

Because, as stated before, the history of the Jews is completely different.

Help!!!!

Nodin wrote: »

Racism puts black people in poverty which leads to crime. Its fairly straightforward.

What about the racism by blacks on other races....whites, Chinese etc?
Racism isn't just directed to black people the same way as slavery was not only against africans

Nodin

Help!!!! wrote: »

What about the racism by blacks on other races....whites, Chinese etc?
Racism isn't just directed to black people the same way as slavery was not only against africans

Don't recall saying "blacks" couldn't be racist.....

jank

Nodin wrote: »

Because, as stated before, the history of the Jews is completely different.

So you are in essence saying that Blacks react differently to racism than Jews, thereby your little Racism=poverty=crime tid-bit only applies to blacks.

Nodin

jank wrote: »

So you are in essence saying that Blacks react differently to racism than Jews, thereby your little Racism=poverty=crime tid-bit only applies to blacks.

Being obtuse eh?

The history of the Jewish people is vastly and substantially different to that of African Americans.

I suspect that you know this full well, and are being "difficult" to derail the discussion.

Help!!!!

Nodin wrote: »

Don't recall saying "blacks" couldn't be racist.....

No but you did say
"Racism puts black people in poverty which leads to crime. Its fairly straightforward"

So does it put other races in poverty as well?

Are you black or have you lived amongst black people?

Nodin

Help!!!! wrote: »

No but you did say
"Racism puts black people in poverty which leads to crime. Its fairly straightforward"

So does it put other races in poverty as well??

It can do, depending on the circumstances, as can sectarianism.

Help!!!! wrote: »

Are you black or have you lived amongst black people?

I am white, and have known a few "black people" over the years.

Help!!!!

Nodin wrote: »

It can do, depending on the circumstances, as can sectarianism.


I am white, and have known a few "black people" over the years.

I lived in the U.K. for many years & have found that when things don't go their way they like to use the race card a lot more than other races

Nodin

Help!!!! wrote: »

I lived in the U.K. for many years & have found that when things don't go their way they like to use the race card a lot more than other races

Not seeing where you're going with that.

jank

Nodin wrote: »

Being obtuse eh?

The history of the Jewish people is vastly and substantially different to that of African Americans.

I suspect that you know this full well, and are being "difficult" to derail the discussion.

So again, you are arguing now against your own argument. The simple argument you put forward was ""Racism puts black people in poverty which leads to crime. Its fairly straightforward"" and "Racism=poverty=crime".
Are you saying that black people react differently to racism than Jews.

creolebelle

I'm quite surprised by the amount of passion and vitriol in these posts considering that ireland has such a small black population and hardly any african american expats.
As a black american I can say that racism in the US is a lot more complicated than hate crimes and police brutality.
There has been a 400 year old system of inequality that put black Americans on the bottom(and still do)
Black Americans have preserved and and left a cultural mark that is known globally in spite of the boots on our necks. My ancestors were very successful and so are my parents but they had to have twice the education and experience of their non black colleagues.

creolebelle

jank wrote: »

So again, you are arguing now against your own argument. The simple argument you put forward was ""Racism puts black people in poverty which leads to crime. Its fairly straightforward"" and "Racism=poverty=crime".
Are you saying that black people react differently to racism than Jews.

When Jews first arrived in the states they were forced to live in ghettoes and formed some of the most brutal gangs in the history of the US.

Nodin

jank wrote: »

So again, you are arguing now against your own argument. The simple argument you put forward was ""Racism puts black people in poverty which leads to crime. Its fairly straightforward"" and "Racism=poverty=crime".
Are you saying that black people react differently to racism than Jews.

I'm saying that Jewish history is markedly different and I'm not going down a pointless Rabbit hole.

jank

creolebelle wrote: »

When Jews first arrived in their states they were forced to live in ghettoes and formed some of the most brutal gangs in the history of the US.

This is of course true. Irish and Italians were also know for their gangs. They were not welcomed with open arms at all and suffered systematic racism. Yet, over time they prospered...

Today Jews have the highest household income in the entire USA. How then have they managed to be so successful over the course of time?

creolebelle

jank wrote: »

This is of course true. Irish and Italians were also know for their gangs. They were not welcomed with open arms at all and suffered systematic racism. Yet, over time they prospered...

Today Jews have the highest household income in the entire USA. How then have they managed to be so successful over the course of time?

Strong community and no institutional racism or in this case institutional anti semitism. The american class/racial structure wasn't designed to specifically oppress them. The Jewish community is VERY vocal in silencing any form of anti semitism(as they should be).
Our politicians can't even mention the numerous human rights violations that occur in Israel without being labeled an anti Semite

creolebelle

Nodin wrote: »

I'm saying that Jewish history is markedly different and I'm not going down a pointless Rabbit hole.

Thank you.