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Galileo Launch Anomaly

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  • 23-08-2014 5:22pm
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    Registered Users Posts: 34,873 ✭✭✭✭


    http://www.arianespace.com/news-press-release/2014/8-22-2014-orbital-injection.asp
    VS09 Soyuz launch: Galileo satellites orbital injection anomaly

    Kourou, August 22, 2014

    Complementary observations gathered after separation of the Galileo FOC M1 satellites on Soyuz Flight VS09 have highlighted a discrepancy between targeted and reached orbit.

    Investigations are underway. More information will be provided after a first flight data analysis to be completed on August 23, 2014.


    http://www.esa.int/Our_Activities/Navigation/The_future_-_Galileo/Launching_Galileo/Soyuz_Galileo_launch_injection_anomaly
    ESA wrote:
    23 August 2014

    Following the announcement made by Arianespace on the anomalies of the orbit injection of the Galileo satellites, the teams of industries and agencies involved in the early operations of the satellites are investigating the potential implications on the mission.

    Both satellites have been acquired and are safely controlled and operated from ESOC, ESA’s Operations Centre in Darmstadt, Germany.

    Further information on the status of the satellites will be made available after the preliminary analysis of the situation.

    The Dublin Airport cap is damaging the economy of Ireland as a whole, and must be scrapped forthwith.



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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,260 ✭✭✭Rucking_Fetard


    This is a fair ould F-up. Apparently they can't reposition them, not enough fuel onboard.

    And it was the US (stratcom) that told them they were in the wrong place, ESA were celebrating. pfft.

    http://www.spacenews.com/all-tweets
    http://www.arianespace.com/news-press-release/2014/8-23-2014.asp

    Galileo: What does a more accurate sat-nav system mean?


  • Registered Users Posts: 25,437 ✭✭✭✭coylemj


    UK Indo reports .....

    While the ESA is not yet classing them as ‘lost’ it is unlikely the satellites can be eased into their correct orbit, Nasa Spaceflight has claimed.

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/two-galileo-satellites-launched-into-space-by-european-space-agency-to-create-new-gps-system-end-up-in-the-wrong-orbit-9687438.html


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,260 ✭✭✭Rucking_Fetard


    Blame falls (sorta) on Roscosmos, the Russian Space Agency, whose Team readied the Soyuz for launch - specifically a software glitch, due to lack of Funding....despite 1800 successful launches.

    Do the Russians/Americans/someone gain by delaying this?? I smell a Rat.

    Lead Galileo Cooridinator wants to switch to Ariane now.

    Still looking at the possibility of reprogramming the Sats to work from the wrong orbit.

    Official Report due on the incident on 8 Sep.

    http://spectrum.ieee.org/tech-talk/aerospace/satellites/two-galileo-satellites-are-parked-in-the-wrong-spots


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,029 ✭✭✭Rhys Essien


    Someone's comment from the Independent.
    The Russians have been wondering why some of their rockets have been blowing up or not setting to the correct trajectory for some time as whenever its carrying US payloads... everything seems to go fine


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,260 ✭✭✭Rucking_Fetard


    I forgot about this. The problem was traced to a fuel line installed to close to a Helium line. Seemingly a common thing as the same installation was found on other Soyuzs but the coast time in between burns on this rocket was enough for the line to freeze. Highlights below.
    A Europeanized version of Russia’s Soyuz rocket placed two European navigation satellites into the wrong orbit in August because its hydrazine fuel line was installed too close to a supercold helium line on the Fregat upper stage, European government officials said.

    The installation caused the hydrazine to freeze long enough to upset the Fregat stage’s orientation and cause the two satellites’ release into an orbit that is both too low and in the wrong inclination, officials said.
    One official said the Euro-Russian board of inquiry into the failure discovered that one in four Fregat upper stages at prime contractor Moscow-based NPO Lavochkin had the same fuel-line installation.

    The board of inquiry is expected to release its findings the week of Oct. 6.

    “We have to assume that this was a practice that had gone on in perhaps a quarter of the Fregat stages produced in the past decade, but that it had not affected our launches up to now because of mission-specific aspects like coast time between burns, the number of burns and so on, which can influence the effect of the helium on the hydrazine,” this official said.

    One industry official said the installation glitch was not a workmanship error insofar as the Fregat design manual did not recommend that the helium and hydrazine lines be separated. It was left to each installation team to do as it wished.

    Government and officials said the commission is debating how to proceed now that it knows that, as expected, the Fregat failure was not one of design, but of assembly and quality control.
    Government and officials said the commission is debating how to proceed now that it knows that, as expected, the Fregat failure was not one of design, but of assembly and quality control.

    The options are to continue, as scheduled, with the December launch of two more Galileo satellites aboard a Soyuz Fregat rocket, or to wait until next spring or summer and launch four Galileo satellites on a heavy-lift Ariane 5 vehicle.


    Not in the link above is an Israeli startup Effective Space Solutions, has said that it could, in theory, build a small satellite that would latch onto the two Galileo satellites and drag them to the intended orbit.
    The company's robotic design would use an ion thruster — rather than conventional rocket fuel — to slowly but efficiently manoeuvre them.

    Jonathan McDowell, an astrophysicist at the Harvard-Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics in Cambridge, Massachusetts, says that back-of-the-envelope calculations suggest that the craft proposed by Effective Space Solutions could carry enough ion fuel to do so. But McDowell cautions that autonomous docking of spacecraft is a complicated engineering challenge for a company with no track record. “I’m very sceptical of this particular company doing it — even though it seems like they might have a good idea,” he says.



    No such trouble for the Indians who are now near half way (3 of 7 Sats Up) in building their own GPS Network.


    3rd on the way o/
    IRNSS-launches-third.jpg


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  • Registered Users Posts: 22,305 ✭✭✭✭endacl


    Blame falls (sorta) on Roscosmos, the Roscommon Space Agency, whose Team readied the Soyuz for launch - specifically a software glitch, due to lack of Funding

    Easy mistake to make. It happens.

    :pac::pac:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,260 ✭✭✭Rucking_Fetard


    endacl wrote: »
    Easy mistake to make. It happens.
    Except it didn't.:P Read on lad, read on.


  • Registered Users Posts: 22,305 ✭✭✭✭endacl


    Except it didn't.:P Read on lad, read on.

    Post now edited with :pac::pac: For clarity!

    :pac:


  • Registered Users Posts: 34,873 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    Hmmm so sometimes **** just happens and it's not all a conspiracy, interesting :p

    The Dublin Airport cap is damaging the economy of Ireland as a whole, and must be scrapped forthwith.



  • Registered Users Posts: 131 ✭✭jumpjack


    Government and officials said the commission is debating how to proceed now that it knows that, as expected, the Fregat failure was not one of design, but of assembly and quality control.
    I can't see how this can be Quality Control fault.
    It's just... a Murphy fault: nobody thaught it could have ever happened, until it happened.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,006 ✭✭✭_Tombstone_


    These two Satellites are gonna be used to verify if time passes more slowly the closer an object gets to a gravitational field.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-3334860/How-botched-satellite-launch-help-prove-Einstein-s-theory-relativity-GPS-sensors-knocked-strange-orbit-used-study-gravity-levels.html


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 161 ✭✭OCEANIC FIZZY POP NINE


    Galileo navigation satellite system goes live
    After 17 years and numerous setbacks and budget boosts, Europe's Galileo satellite navigation system has gone live. At this point, 18 of the planned 30 satellites are already in orbit.

    The European Union's promise to enhance localization services was became reality on Thursday, with the successful launch of four more satellites of the bloc's prestige Galileo project.
    Initial services, free to users worldwide, will be available only on smartphones and navigation units already fitted with Galileo-compatible microchips. The new system is designed to deliver more precise data for private and commercial users than the current US Global Positioning System (GPS) does.
    "Galileo will increase geo-localization precision tenfold," European Commission vice-president Maros Sefcovic said ahead of Thursday's launch.


    4 SATS went up on Thursday on an ariane 5, the 75th flawless launch for that rocket.

    Galileo is precise to 4 metres for civilian use, US system is 15metres, when fully operational in 2018, commercial and government users will have precision of a few centimetres-->self driving cars/ships.


  • Registered Users Posts: 9,493 ✭✭✭irishgeo


    Galileo navigation satellite system goes live




    4 SATS went up on Thursday on an ariane 5, the 75th flawless launch for that rocket.

    Galileo is precise to 4 metres for civilian use, US system is 15metres, when fully operational in 2018, commercial and government users will have precision of a few centimetres-->self driving cars/ships.
    some phones already have the chips and just need a software update to enable it.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 870 ✭✭✭Kuva


    UK is getting drop kicked out of Galileo now with Brexit as they cant be trusted with the tech details of how it works if not in the EU anymore, they're gonna have to look for a deal to keep using it in some way or build their own (not a chance) or look for the 1.4 Billion they put into in back.

    https://qz.com/1264365/brexit-is-breaking-up-galileo-europes-e10-billion-plan-to-launch-new-satellites/


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,731 ✭✭✭Lorddrakul


    Galileo navigation satellite system goes live




    4 SATS went up on Thursday on an ariane 5, the 75th flawless launch for that rocket.


    Galileo is precise to 4 metres for civilian use, US system is 15metres, when fully operational in 2018, commercial and government users will have precision of a few centimetres-->self driving cars/ships.

    I thought Galileo was accurate down to 1m or less? 30cm had also been talked about.


  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 91,627 Mod ✭✭✭✭Capt'n Midnight


    Lorddrakul wrote: »
    I thought Galileo was accurate down to 1m or less? 30cm had also been talked about.
    Publicly available accuracy from all the GPS systems can be turned off. And the high accuracy isn't free. As part of Brexit the UK won't have access to that level so is making noises about it's own GPS system.

    The European Geostationary Navigation Overlay Service monitors and corrects for GPS performance so planes don't fall out of the sky or rather don't get confused on approach.


    Differential GPS has always been very accurate over short distances. You can get down to centimetres.


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