Sunderland vs Manchester United - Sunday 24th August, 16:00PM

Son Of A Vidic

Diego Simeone wrote: »

Strange they waited so long to bring on Keane if it is a hamstring issue.

Very strange, you can't be messing about with a suspected hamstring. You might be able to feel out and try and run off an ankle tweak. But you have to get straight off with any hamstring issues.

Nalz

Rubbish.

Need at least one more CM badly.

Carrick Herrara are fine
Jury still out on Fellaini
Kagawa and Jones can play there if we're stuck.

Fletch, Cleverley and Anderson are not up to it. Sell them, doesn't matter for how much. Just get rid

PhlegmyMoses

Thought Cleverley started off poorly but improved as it went on. Still not a great player but not feeling the hate today

RobertKK

MagicIRL wrote: »

Have United got the worst CM pairing in the league? Seriously?

Fletcher has been awful and don't even get me started on that ****head TC23.

Yes, they would be challenging for a top 4 place for worst midfield in the league with today's team.

BobbyPropane

PhlegmyMoses wrote: »

Sigh.

That's my bad, I forget Young is playing for ye

PhlegmyMoses

BobbyPropane wrote: »

That's my bad, I forget Young is playing for ye

Lucky you

Son Of A Vidic

Augmerson wrote: »

TC23? Tom Cleverly?

Almost right....


TC23 = We'll give anyone €23 to take Tom Cleverly off us.

Danger781

Fletch is obviously going nowhere though. He is Vice Captain.

Paully D

edgecutter wrote: »

Anyone who thought Fletcher would be a new signing must surely need to have a word with themselves.

He's doing as good as he can with what he's been given IMO. I think he's working pretty hard and putting a good shift in. Playing as the lone striker for a team like Sunderland isn't easy.

madcabbage

PhlegmyMoses wrote: »

Thought Cleverley started off poorly but improved as it went on. Still not a great player but not feeling the hate today

Well there's another whole 45 mins for him to run wreck, that might change your mind!

edgecutter

PhlegmyMoses wrote: »

Thought Cleverley started off poorly but improved as it went on. Still not a great player but not feeling the hate today

He will never ever be united quality and the sooner everyone accepts this we may finally realise that major surgery is needed in midfield.

NTMK

KH25 wrote: »

It needs to happen. Right now, both Cleverley and Fletcher are offering less than nothing. Midfield is a gaping whole exacerbated by Young and Valencia being cack.

the fact the the only defence cutting passes those 4 have made were against our own ****ing defence

2 goal posts would be more effective in mid atm

Adamocovic

Am I the only one who didn't think Cleverley was bad? Must be, thought Fletcher was poor but Cleverley was alright. Young and Valencia are still showing they aren't really up to it defensively in my view.

I don't get why Cleverley seems to be getting all the blame for the final third. Him and fletcher are playing holding midfielders surely Rvp, Mata, Rooney, Valencia and Young should be creating a lot more chances. They seem to be just passing it around waiting for a chance rather than making one. No creativity or flair at all. Nothing worrying about United being in possession.

Didn't expect much of a different performance in the spaces of 7 days, just hoping they can do enough to win this game.

Billy86

Paully D wrote: »

He's doing as good as he can with what he's been given IMO. I think he's working pretty hard and putting a good shift in. Playing as the lone striker for a team like Sunderland isn't easy.

He has been arguably our worst player in the 1.5 games so far this season. Always been a fan of his e en 8-10 years ago when e ermine hated the guy, but I hate to say it - the illness has done him in at this level.

Edit: bah, just noticed!

PhlegmyMoses

Move Rooney back, Bring on Januzaj maybe?

Augmerson

Augmerson wrote: »

TC23? Tom Cleverly?

Yes

PhiloCypher

If Di Maria caught this match on the plane over he'd get them to divert to Paris or just pop the hatch and throw himself out if he knows what's good for him. Absolute shambles of a performance from United .

MagicMarker

I assume there'll be changes at half time?

Call Me Jimmy

Fletcher looks less mobile than usual. I saw someone say earlier that cleverly is spineless and I have to agree. He does this thing where he makes a big bluster of showing for the ball when he knows it is unlikely it'll be passed to him. He hides between the lines of opposition players very subtly and dare i say cleverly, out of fear. He half shows for it a lot.

How Soon Is Now

Danger781 wrote: »

Fletch is obviously going nowhere though. He is Vice Captain.

Far as I'm concerned that was a token jesture.

He's not worth a ****e most days. He only looks good against very week teams.

syngindub

How Soon Is Now wrote: »

Far as I'm concerned that was a token jesture.

He's not worth a ****e most days. He only looks good against very week teams.

i thought sunderland were a weak team !!

TheTownie

I hope the signing of Di Maria forces LVG to change formation because this one serves no purpose other than keeping mata/rooney/RVP happy.

FortuneChip

That little number 7 on the Barclays advert seems to be able to take a challenge without being out for weeks.
Snap him up Louis.

TheDoc

Kagawa on for Cleverly please. CMs needed so bad its disgusting. Such a lack of precision in midfield. Its all slow paced and sideways.

The space Sunderland are giving. Letting United walk into their half knowing there is just nothing creative there.

Kylo Ren

How Soon Is Now wrote: »

He only looks good against very week teams.

Yeah. Like Sunder.....shit.

Nalz

Adamocovic wrote: »

Am I the only one who didn't think Cleverley was bad? Must be, thought Fletcher was poor but Cleverley was alright. Young and Valencia are still showing they aren't really up to it defensively in my view.

I don't get why Cleverley seems to be getting all the blame for the final third. Him and fletcher are playing holding midfielders surely Rvp, Mata, Rooney, Valencia and Young should be creating a lot more chances. They seem to be just passing it around waiting for a chance rather than making one. No creativity or flair at all. Nothing worrying about United being in possession.

Didn't expect much of a different performance in the spaces of 7 days, just hoping they can do enough to win this game.

He doesn't pass the ball forward
He doesn't look for the ball unless he's in acres
He never makes great runs
He's fouled a few times today
Theres a gaping hole in midfield when Sunderland get the ball

Fletchers touch is awful and he's mispassed twice but at least he's there to receive it and spread the play or run fwd.

Both awful today but fletch is trying, don't be fooled by Tc23 putting his hands up looking for the ball when he's in a pointless position or marked heavily. That annoys me the most. It's like he's pretending he wants the ball all the time. He's not good enough and Fletcher is finished.

Adamocovic

I love how RVP, Rooney, Mata, Young and Valencia seem to be getting off scot-free by most even though they should be the players offering creativity in the final third.

Although Fletcher has been poor and Cleverley hasn't exactly been great they are still not the main reason we are lacking a threat up front.

The forward players seem to be content just dropping and passing, not really taking people on, or getting into great positions.

daingeanrob

even if utd get three points here, their defence is shocking, very worrying that sunderland are getting such joy up front. we can talk about injuries etc but they are badly organised.

TheTownie

TheDoc wrote: »

Kagawa on for Cleverly please. CMs needed so bad its disgusting. Such a lack of precision in midfield. Its all slow paced and sideways.

The space Sunderland are giving. Letting United walk into their half knowing there is just nothing creative there.

That defence needs a leader too. Utd just have to sign an experienced defender who will keep them organised.

How Soon Is Now

syngindub wrote: »

i thought sunderland were a weak team !!

They have players who are willing to put in a shift and battle unlike most the United team.

Danger781

Call Me Jimmy wrote: »

Fletcher looks less mobile than usual. I saw someone say earlier that cleverly is spineless and I have to agree. He does this thing where he makes a big bluster of showing for the ball when he knows it is unlikely it'll be passed to him. He hides between the lines of opposition players very subtly and dare i say cleverly, out of fear. He half shows for it a lot.

Thank God someone noticed this. I see him do it all the time.

Whatsisname

Adamocovic wrote: »

I love how RVP, Rooney, Mata, Young and Valencia seem to be getting off scot-free by most even though they should be the players offering creativity in the final third.

Although Fletcher has been poor and Cleverley hasn't exactly been great they are still not the main reason we are lacking a threat up front.

The forward players seem to be content just dropping and passing, not really taking people on, or getting into great positions.

How can they offer anything in the final third when they have to drop into CM to actually get the ball cause the midfield is so ineffective?

Adamocovic

Trilla wrote: »

He doesn't pass the ball forward
He doesn't look for the ball unless he's in acres
He never makes great runs
He's fouled a few times today
Theres a gaping hole in midfield when Sunderland get the ball

Fletchers touch is awful and he's mispassed twice but at least he's there to receive it and spread the play or run fwd.

Both awful today but fletch is trying, don't be fooled by Tc23 putting his hands up looking for the ball when he's in a pointless position or marked heavily. That annoys me the most. It's like he's pretending he wants the ball all the time. He's not good enough and Fletcher is finished.

Look it's clear a lot of people just dislike Cleverley. He could go on and score a hat trick and people would still criticise him.

I think he's been so-so but doesn't warrant the criticism he is getting here. I'm not even a big fan of his.

We can't blame the two holding midfielders for our poor attacking display. The way the team is set up Valencia and Young should be offering more down the wings and Mata should be linking up better with RVP and Rooney.

I'm going to go back to watch the game, I'll let everyone else spend their time here just giving out about Cleverley.

Paully D

HOW IS THAT A FREE KICK? Jesus wept.

Son Of A Vidic

Trilla wrote: »

Fletch, Cleverley and Anderson are not up to it. Sell them, doesn't matter for how much. Just get rid

When some were being patient a couple of years ago, I wanted rid of Cleverly and Anderson. At this stage I would pay any team to take those wasters off us.

daingeanrob

no changes at half time?

TheTownie

Cleverley got bailed out there.

daingeanrob

awful

Amirani

Terrible choice from Young there. Give it back to Cleverley.

Nalz

Adamocovic wrote: »

The forward players seem to be content just dropping and passing, not really taking people on, or getting into great positions.

Ask yourself why the forwards are dropping in all the time, and it's not as simple as rooney mata and Rvp aren't taking on anyone or taking up positions. Other things need to happen

5starpool

How did they not score there! Unlucky Sunderland.

OwaynOTT

Why are Utd playing 3 at the back?

Talib Fiasco

What a goal that would have been

MagicIRL

Diego Simeone wrote: »

Terrible choice from Young there. Give it back to Cleverley.

Never give the ball to Cleverley.

TheTownie

Comical defending.

NoelJ

Wickham is useless. He's living off those few goals at the end of last season.

Kylo Ren

That was so close.

How Soon Is Now

Jesus christ what was that!

Paul Tergat

Rooney doesnt have that explosive burst anymore to run away from a player.


We are all kinds of ****e. Another awful performance

BobbyPropane

NoelJ wrote: »

Wickham is useless. He's living off those few goals at the end of last season.

2 games into the season and he's useless? He's been holding up well and is playing beside an alcoholic.