AI SFC SF Replay Kerry v Mayo 30/08 5pm Mod Warning Post #1 #562

ColeTrain

sammy37 wrote: »

Well i hope ye are crying after the match anyway:D

Tears of joy

TCDStudent1

mystic86 wrote: »

That's missing his point completely, read it again

Is this article online anywhere? Wouldnt mind reading it.

keeponhurling

wirelessdude01 wrote: »

Will Keegan get his sending off rescinded?

He shouldn't, because the ref made a technically correct decision and it wouldn't be right to undermine him.

Is there even an appeal being heard ?

Edit : there's an appeal being heard on Thursday night, real last minute stuff.
Not really sure what to basis of the appeal is, tbh.
Mayo delaying announcing their team til Friday.

Fr Tod Umptious

ColeTrain wrote: »

It's the fact that the ground has limited capacity compared to Croke Park as well in fairness.

But its capacity is going to be close enough to the attendance that would be expected for the replay anyway.

The first game had 52k odd, so 45k + would be about right for the replay

washman3

Fr Tod Umptious wrote: »

But its capacity is going to be close enough to the attendance that would be expected for the replay anyway.

The first game had 52k odd, so 45k + would be about right for the replay

Well there's not a hope in hell a replay in Croker next Saturday would exceed last weeks 52,000 especially with a 6 day turnaround.
Should be a great atmosphere in Limerick.
Tip : get there early.

ColeTrain

Fr Tod Umptious wrote: »

But its capacity is going to be close enough to the attendance that would be expected for the replay anyway.

The first game had 52k odd, so 45k + would be about right for the replay

So that's 7,000 that are automatically left out.

Also, what about the wave of Kerry supporters that will get off their arses because it's in Limerick and the locals around the region that might want to see two top teams play in an All-Ireland semi final.

DDC1990

ColeTrain wrote: »

So that's 7,000 that are automatically left out.

Also, what about the wave of Kerry supporters that will get off their arses because it's in Limerick and the locals around the region that might want to see two top teams play in an All-Ireland semi final.

Get off their arses?


Take a guess how many years in the last 20 that Kerry have failed to play in Croke Park?

94, 95, 99

17 years of at least 1 game.

97, 00 (x2), 02, 04, 05, 06, 07, 08, 09, 11 They Played in the Final. That's 11 Finals.

Which means 12 Semi Finals (Replays in 2 years) + 96, 98, 01, 03, 13, 14 = 18 Semi Finals

Quarter Finals Every Year since inception in 2001 (plus 1 replay 2001) = 15

11+18+15 = 44 Games in Croke Park in 20 years. I'd say my family has spent the guts of 15 grand following Kerry football for the last 20 years with travel, tickets, food whatever. Thats a conservative estimate. Also that's just championship. That doesn't take in the league.

Hardly any of my friends go to the Dublin matches anymore, not because they don't want to, but simply because the cost of it has outweighed the enjoyment for them. They've seen All Ireland wins, and great games, and great players. They don't get the same buzz out of watching the current team, so they cannot justify spending hundreds a year going up and down to Croke Park. They go to the Munster Finals and First round games, even some of the league games, but away trips are so costly now.

That's why the chance to take an hour and a half spin to Limerick, with a cheaper ticket, in an unfamiliar venue has more Kerry people looking to go to the match.

WallyGUFC

Heading from Galway but got City End tickets by mistake. Where would be the best place to park?

Think even with all the bitching that's gone on, and rightly so IMO, it'll be remembered in years to come as a real "I was there" moment. It's a novelty, it's not ideal but the atmosphere will be unreal. I would have thought Thurles would be more neutral though.

Mayo Club 51

WallyGUFC wrote: »

Heading from Galway but got City End tickets by mistake. Where would be the best place to park?

Think even with all the bitching that's gone on, and rightly so IMO, it'll be remembered in years to come as a real "I was there" moment. It's a novelty, it's not ideal but the atmosphere will be unreal. I would have thought Thurles would be more neutral though.

Yeah, we just have to get on with the hand we've been dealt. It really will be one of those "I was there" match's, of course hopefully in our favour!!

Fr Tod Umptious

ColeTrain wrote: »

So that's 7,000 that are automatically left out.

Also, what about the wave of Kerry supporters that will get off their arses because it's in Limerick and the locals around the region that might want to see two top teams play in an All-Ireland semi final.

No it's not
You are not automatically disenfranchising 7k
There are 7K that are unlikely to go anyway

I have been looking for the attendance at the Mayo v Fermanagh replay from 2004
The first game had 65K odd, but I cannot find the replay attendance

Can anyone find it, I'd be interested to see what it was

manofwisdom

Fr Tod Umptious wrote: »

No it's not
You are not automatically disenfranchising 7k
There are 7K that are unlikely to go anyway

I have been looking for the attendance at the Mayo v Fermanagh replay from 2004
The first game had 65K odd, but I cannot find the replay attendance

Can anyone find it, I'd be interested to see what it was

The attendance was 39,485. http://m.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-football/mayo-find-a-final-inspiration-as-onfield-leaders-show-way-25904067.html

Fr Tod Umptious

manofwisdom wrote: »

The attendance was 39,485. http://m.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-football/mayo-find-a-final-inspiration-as-onfield-leaders-show-way-25904067.html

So you had a 40% drop from the first game.
Fair enough there are some differences, the first game was poor, tjrte was a Fermanagh novelty factor etc.
But some aspects are similar, its a replay on a Saturday six days after the first game.

If similar happened this year you might expect 30k+.
Then they would all be complaining about it being in CP

keeponhurling

Fr Tod Umptious wrote: »

So you had a 40% drop from the first game.
Fair enough there are some differences, the first game was poor, tjrte was a Fermanagh novelty factor etc.
But some aspects are similar, its a replay on a Saturday six days after the first game.

The huge Tommy Murphy final between Clare and Sligo was also played before the drawn game.

There's your missing 25,000 fans there;)

mystic86

Fr Tod Umptious wrote: »

No it's not
You are not automatically disenfranchising 7k
There are 7K that are unlikely to go anyway

Dude, this game is on in Limerick, which borders Kerry. The Kerry GAA website says that there has been 'unbelievable' demand for tickets for the game in Limerick.

I fully believe they would sell 52K again, and more!

homerjay2005

ColeTrain wrote: »

This is another issue that is getting overlooked and I'm glad a Kerry man has inadvertently brought it up.

The fact is the game is being played in Munster and that will bring more Kerry supporters to the game. That's hardly ideal either from a Mayo point of view.

outside of croke park, no stadium in connacht or leinster can cater for it. would ye still be whinging about location if it was in Thurles?

flasher0030

keeponhurling wrote: »

He shouldn't, because the ref made a technically correct decision and it wouldn't be right to undermine him.

Is there even an appeal being heard ?

Edit : there's an appeal being heard on Thursday night, real last minute stuff.
Not really sure what to basis of the appeal is, tbh.
Mayo delaying announcing their team til Friday.

But technically - how do you prove that he kicked or attempted to kick an opponent (sorry, I don’t know the precise wording of the rule, but I understand that this is the gist of it).
He received a punch in the stomach, which winded him a little, and which causes a leg jerk reaction. He didn’t kick anybody, so GAA would be depending on attempted kick. The minimal force is not an issue. It would have to be the attempted kick or intention.

Am I just talking through my hat?

BKWDR

flasher0030 wrote: »

But technically - how do you prove that he kicked or attempted to kick an opponent (sorry, I don’t know the precise wording of the rule, but I understand that this is the gist of it).
He received a punch in the stomach, which winded him a little, and which causes a leg jerk reaction. He didn’t kick anybody, so GAA would be depending on attempted kick. The minimal force is not an issue. It would be the attempted kick or intention.

Am I just talking through my hat?

No point in arguing the ref's ruling. Buckley punched the ball in Keegans arms, he lashed out then.

Was it letter of the law a red? Yes.
Was it harsh? Everyone feels so.
Will it be overturned? Every chance. (i would say it will)

Connolly's red was overturned from the semifinal a couple years ago against Donegal on appeal. In the cold hard light of day, i think common sense will prevail.

homerjay2005

who is reffing on Saturday?

elguapo

homerjay2005 wrote: »

who is reffing on Saturday?

Cormac Reilly from Meath. No confirmation yet on his policy vis a vis attempted kicks.

keane2097

flasher0030 wrote: »

But technically - how do you prove that he kicked or attempted to kick an opponent (sorry, I don’t know the precise wording of the rule, but I understand that this is the gist of it).
He received a punch in the stomach, which winded him a little, and which causes a leg jerk reaction. He didn’t kick anybody, so GAA would be depending on attempted kick. The minimal force is not an issue. It would have to be the attempted kick or intention.

Am I just talking through my hat?

Realistically, you know you are.

Ask one of your friends to punch you in the stomach and see if it causes a similar leg jerk reaction to Keegan's.

We can argue the merits or otherwise of the red card or the rule itself, but let's not descend to this level.

The player was provoked, and engaged in a very mild reaction. Let's argue the toss from that rather than from some idea of Vaudeville reflex reactions nonsense.

Mayo Club 51

We now have a post up on our website with loads of useful information on parking and buses travelling to the match in Limerick. Info is being updated on an hourly basis as we get more information.

mayoclub51.com/we-go-again-and-heres-how-to-get-there/

K4t

Bought terrace tickets online and have to collect them at the box office..anyone know where this is located in relation to the ground?

Pandiani

K4t wrote: »

Bought terrace tickets online and have to collect them at the box office..anyone know where this is located in relation to the ground?

There is a small ticket office located behind the Mackey Stand at the corner of the City End Terrace but I don't know for sure if this is what tickets.ie will be using on Saturday.

ColeTrain

DDC1990 wrote: »

Get off their arses?


Take a guess how many years in the last 20 that Kerry have failed to play in Croke Park?

94, 95, 99

17 years of at least 1 game.

97, 00 (x2), 02, 04, 05, 06, 07, 08, 09, 11 They Played in the Final. That's 11 Finals.

Which means 12 Semi Finals (Replays in 2 years) + 96, 98, 01, 03, 13, 14 = 18 Semi Finals

Quarter Finals Every Year since inception in 2001 (plus 1 replay 2001) = 15

11+18+15 = 44 Games in Croke Park in 20 years. I'd say my family has spent the guts of 15 grand following Kerry football for the last 20 years with travel, tickets, food whatever. Thats a conservative estimate. Also that's just championship. That doesn't take in the league.

Hardly any of my friends go to the Dublin matches anymore, not because they don't want to, but simply because the cost of it has outweighed the enjoyment for them. They've seen All Ireland wins, and great games, and great players. They don't get the same buzz out of watching the current team, so they cannot justify spending hundreds a year going up and down to Croke Park. They go to the Munster Finals and First round games, even some of the league games, but away trips are so costly now.

That's why the chance to take an hour and a half spin to Limerick, with a cheaper ticket, in an unfamiliar venue has more Kerry people looking to go to the match.

Exactly "they don't get the same buzz out of the current team". So it's not all do with finance but apathy is a major factor I'd imagine.
Fair enough with your maths on the cost but if you were add up figures of what you've spent on anything over the last 20 years then it's going to look like a big number.
Also, it's Kerry to Dublin 3 times a year - if your team is lucky enough to reach the final - it's not New York you're travelling to.

3 trips every summer isn't much for a supporter. Look at football teams, how many away games do they play every year, no need to blow it out if proportion!

ColeTrain

Fr Tod Umptious wrote: »

No it's not
You are not automatically disenfranchising 7k
There are 7K that are unlikely to go anyway

I have been looking for the attendance at the Mayo v Fermanagh replay from 2004
The first game had 65K odd, but I cannot find the replay attendance

Can anyone find it, I'd be interested to see what it was

That's hardly an even comparison, the snore fest of Mayo vs Fermanagh compared to last Sunday's game which was lauded as game of the season between two good teams.

seligehgit

Mayo Club 51 wrote: »

We now have a post up on our website with loads of useful information on parking and buses travelling to the match in Limerick. Info is being updated on an hourly basis as we get more information.

mayoclub51.com/we-go-again-and-heres-how-to-get-there/

That link is very informative...thanks.

Anybody know a spot about 3 miles north of the Gaelic Ground that one can park,stroll out and in to.Want to make a quick getaway back to Mayo...hopefully without my tail between my legs.:D I reckon parking in the car park opposite McDonalds in close proximity will mean a half an hour stuck in Limerick traffic.:(

feargale

seligehgit wrote: »

That link is very informative...thanks.

Anybody know a spot about 3 miles north of the Gaelic Ground that one can park,stroll out and in to.What to make a quick getaway back to Mayo...hopefully without my tail between my legs.:D I reckon parking in the car park opposite McDonalds in close proximity will mean a half an hour stuck in Limerick traffic.:(

Do you intend to arrive very early?

seligehgit

feargale wrote: »

Do you intend to arrive very early?

Yeah defo feargale

Pinesky

feargale wrote: »

Do you intend to arrive very early?

Went to thurles for both games in 2001.
The earlier you arrive the more comfortable day you will have.

feargale

seligehgit wrote: »

Yeah defo feargale

You have to negotiate 4 roundabouts after you come off the motorway. About 300-400 metres from the last roundabout the Greenhills Hotel is on your left. You actually have to pass it to turn left into it. The Greenhills is about half a mile from the Gaelic Grounds, and has limited parking, about 50-70 cars, I would think, so you would need to arrive very early to avail of it. If there's no room there, the Caherdavin housing estate surrounds it. The Caherdavin inhabitants are decent folk and I think your car would be reasonably secure there, provided you don't antagonise a resident by parking in front of his house. There is also a small part of the Caherdavin estate on the other side of the road ( on your right coming in ) which includes the renowned Na Piarsaigh GAA club, which would leave you on the correct side for going home. There are new traffic lights which alleviate that situation but I can't tell you whether they govern the Greenhills exit or the Caherdavin small estate exit.
Nearer to the Gaelic Grounds, turning right at Caherdavin Cross, there is a tiny carpark behind Ivan's shop, which takes about 12 cars, leaving you just about 400 metres from the grounds. But I would worry that some yob might arrive there and double park hemming you in. For reference Ivan's shop closed recently.
Across the road from Ivan's there is a scheme of four or five shops back from the main road, fronting the Caherdavin estate, again about 400 metres from the grounds with parking for about 20 cars, but again it leaves you at the wrong side for going home

feargale

seligehgit wrote: »

Yeah defo feargale

All in all I would have a preference for parking at the Greenhills or in the small part of the Caherdavin estate on your right.

If you have an hour or two to kill the Greenhills provides tolerable sustenance, both liquid and solid. About 100 metres at the far side ( city side ) of the grounds there is the Woodfield House Hotel which does likewise, normally a classy little place, though, being on the city side you might have to endure some Kerry triumphalism. And Woodfield, being small, might be very crowded. Good luck to the green above the red.

Sorry I should have said 4 roundabouts, not two. I've corrected it. And correspondingly I should have said the last roundabout, as now amended in bold, not the second one.

Kalyke

feargale wrote: »

All in all I would have a preference for parking at the Greenhills or in the small part of the Caherdavin estate on your right.

If you have an hour or two to kill the Greenhills provides tolerable sustenance, both liquid and solid. About 100 metres at the far side ( city side ) of the grounds there is the Woodfield House Hotel which does likewise, normally a classy little place, though, being on the city side you might have to endure some Kerry triumphalism. And Woodfield, being small, might be very crowded. Good luck to the green above the red.

Thanks for the info.... Great to get knowledgeable advice!

seligehgit

Yeah thanks a mill feargale Greenhills it is...

Mayo Club 51

feargale wrote: »

You have to negotiate 4 roundabouts after you come off the motorway. About 300-400 metres from the second roundabout the Greenhills Hotel is on your left. You actually have to pass it to turn left into it. The Greenhills is about half a mile from the Gaelic Grounds, and has limited parking, about 50-70 cars, I would think, so you would need to arrive very early to avail of it. If there's no room there, the Caherdavin housing estate surrounds it. The Caherdavin inhabitants are decent folk and I think your car would be reasonably secure there, provided you don't antagonise a resident by parking in front of his house. There is also a small part of the Caherdavin estate on the other side of the road ( on your right coming in ) which includes the renowned Na Piarsaigh GAA club, which would leave you on the correct side for going home. There are new traffic lights which alleviate that situation but I can't tell you whether they govern the Greenhills exit or the Caherdavin small estate exit.
Nearer to the Gaelic Grounds, turning right at Caherdavin Cross, there is a tiny carpark behind Ivan's shop, which takes about 12 cars, leaving you just about 400 metres from the grounds. But I would worry that some yob might arrive there and double park hemming you in. For reference Ivan's shop closed recently.
Across the road from Ivan's there is a scheme of four or five shops back from the main road, fronting the Caherdavin estate, again about 400 metres from the grounds with parking for about 20 cars, but again it leaves you at the wrong side for going home

Thanks a million feargale, very helpful information.

Pandiani

feargale wrote: »

Nearer to the Gaelic Grounds, turning right at Caherdavin Cross, there is a tiny carpark behind Ivan's shop, which takes about 12 cars, leaving you just about 400 metres from the grounds. But I would worry that some yob might arrive there and double park hemming you in. For reference Ivan's shop closed recently.

Do not park at Ivans, a lot of cars were clamped there during a rugby match in April 4 months after shop closed. Same crowd will try and make a quick buck on Saturday.

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=89722204

Boom__Boom

1. Brian Kelly Killarney Legion
2. Marc Ó Sé An Ghaeltacht
3. Aidan O’Mahony Rathmore
4. Shane Enright Tarbert
5. Paul Murphy Rathmore
6. Peter Crowley Laune Rangers
7. Fionn Fitzgerald (Capt) Dr Crokes
8. Anthony Maher Duagh
9. David Moran Kerins O’Rahillys
10. Michael Geaney Dingle
11. Johnny Buckley Dr Crokes
12. Donnchadh Walsh Cromane
13. Stephen O’Brien Kenmare
14. Paul Geaney Dingle
15. James O’Donoghue Killarney Legion

Same team as the last day.

Will be interesting to see how the subs strategy works out compared to the last day.

irishgeo

any word on keegans appeal

seligehgit

Boom__Boom wrote: »

1. Brian Kelly Killarney Legion
2. Marc Ó Sé An Ghaeltacht
3. Aidan O’Mahony Rathmore
4. Shane Enright Tarbert
5. Paul Murphy Rathmore
6. Peter Crowley Laune Rangers
7. Fionn Fitzgerald (Capt) Dr Crokes
8. Anthony Maher Duagh
9. David Moran Kerins O’Rahillys
10. Michael Geaney Dingle
11. Johnny Buckley Dr Crokes
12. Donnchadh Walsh Cromane
13. Stephen O’Brien Kenmare
14. Paul Geaney Dingle
15. James O’Donoghue Killarney Legion

Same team as the last day.

Will be interesting to see how the subs strategy works out compared to the last day.

Colm Parkinson has just stated on Off The Ball that Stephen O Brien will not be fit to start.Just releasing the same team but will not line out as selected.

keane2097

seligehgit wrote: »

Colm Parkinson has just stated on Off The Ball that Stephen O Brien will not be fit to start.Just releasing the same team but will not line out as selected.

No question. I'll be very surprised if Donaghy doesn't start.

Padkir

What time are people planning on leaving for the match? I assume there will be bad delays in Claregalway, Clarinbridge and then in Limerick itself. Trying to figure out what time is early enough to go.

Boom__Boom

seligehgit wrote: »

Colm Parkinson has just stated on Off The Ball that Stephen O Brien will not be fit to start.Just releasing the same team but will not line out as selected.

The day I listen to Colm Parkinson's opinion on anything will be the same day my family can have me declared legally brain dead.

Kerry have been gambling with starting players who weren't fully fit all year in championship games and I'd be sure that the management team are doing the same with O'Brien, especially given how much bother he had the Mayo defence in when he was on and also the lack of alternative options in the squad to play a similar role -Darran would be the obvious other option in terms of pace but he's in an even worse place than o'Brien in terms of fitness issues.

Boom__Boom

keane2097 wrote: »

No question. I'll be very surprised if Donaghy doesn't start.

Pull the other one - he's played no league game and has played less than 20 minutes in the 3 games of the championship he featured in.

Last sub in the Clare game, last sub in the Cork game, didnt get off the bench in the Galway game, 4th sub in the last Mayo game (in the last 10 minutes) and he's going to start now. Can't see it making sense.

seligehgit

Padkir wrote: »

What time are people planning on leaving for the match? I assume there will be bad delays in Claregalway, Clarinbridge and then in Limerick itself. Trying to figure out what time is early enough to go.

Usually takes around two and half hours to travel to Limerick in my case but I'm giving myself loads of time,nothing major on ...so I'll amble off around 11 or 12 park up and meet my fellow season ticket holder at my ease.

Padkir

seligehgit wrote: »

Usually takes around two and half hours to travel to Limerick in my case but I'm giving myself loads of time,nothing major on ...so I'll amble off around 11 or 12 park up and meet my fellow season ticket holder at my ease.

Yeah, a few are leaving from Ballindine and then meeting me in Galway and we're driving in 1 car from there.

So was planning on telling them to leave around 12.15 or 12.30 or so. Even if they hit traffic in Claregalway, we should be leaving Galway before 2; even if it takes 2 hours to get down and parked up there should still be loads of time!

homerjay2005

theres a gay pride parade in the City which apparently has alot of streets shut off...could cause traffic mayham.

seligehgit

Padkir wrote: »

Yeah, a few are leaving from Ballindine and then meeting me in Galway and we're driving in 1 car from there.

So was planning on telling them to leave around 12.15 or 12.30 or so. Even if they hit traffic in Claregalway, we should be leaving Galway before 2; even if it takes 2 hours to get down and parked up there should still be loads of time!

Always head the Headford road to Galway rather than via Claregalway route,equidistant for me.Much quicker and although I'll have an extra bit to travel,I'll hopefully avoid the worst excesses of that Claregalway nightmare scenario.Dreading that small section including Clarenbridge before the Gort bypass.

Padkir

seligehgit wrote: »

Always head the Headford road to Galway rather than via Claregalway route,equidistant for me.Much quicker and although I'll have an extra bit to travel,I'll hopefully avoid the worst excesses of that Claregalway nightmare scenario.Dreading that small section including Clarenbridge before the Gort bypass.

Yeah that was my preferred route too but the girlfriend's mother is driving and wouldn't be too keen on the windy backroads across Kilmaine / Shrule / Headford. Won't matter as long as I tell them to get on the road early enough!

Anyway; enough digression! Can't wait for the match. Was extremely nervous heading into the 1st game but, having seen what both teams can do, I'm a shade more confident this time. Not that I think that it won't be a really tight game, but I suppose I didn't know what Kerry would be like against a team like us so now they're not as much of an unknown entity!

Kalyke

Keegan cleared

seligehgit

Kalyke wrote: »

Keegan cleared

Ah that gladdens my heart!!!!!:D

DDC1990

Absolute disgrace.

Whats the point in having a rule book.