Celtic v Maribor CL Qualifier 2nd Leg TV3

leeroybrown

TheCitizen wrote: »

A Rangers team will be in the SPL next season. Celtic needed to punt a bit this summer, to keep Lennon or to get Keane. They didn't punt. They failed.

Not disagreeing at all. The sooner Celtic have the old enemy and something to get the board's back up the better. I'm more of an impartial observer with plenty of Celtic supporting friends. This will probably get a few backs up but I'd rather not be subjected to a team that poor on TV match nights when there's much better fixtures that wouldn't be televised if Celtic made it so I'm not too disappointed.

We're very OT for a match thread so I'll leave it at that.

TheCitizen

Dempsey wrote: »

Several people are sounded out for jobs everytime a club looks for a manager. Its not a job offer and thats not splitting hairs.

Aye, and when they're sounded out they decide they're not interested. And Celtic end up with a Number 2 target in the hotseat.

At least Celtic are in the EL now, probably would've fcked that up as well if Legia Warsaw didn't make an arse of themselves.

How long do you think Ronny Deila will last?

I'm not gonna argue with ya, you're a Celtic fan same as myself.

The Board disappeared up their own holes with their financial results in recent years and have blown it by refusing to adapt to changing circumstances.

They needed to take a punt this summer especially - to keep Lennon or get someone with similar profile in - and they knew it. They have let the club down badly.

It's poor form and will have repercussions regarding revenue this season, never mind maintaining fans interest.

TheCitizen

RoryMac wrote: »

Neither Keane or Larsson have the managerial experience of Delia, both of their managerial careers have more failures than successes. On paper Delia was the better choice.

No doubt the board have made mistakes but throwing millions at Keane to spend would've been far more dangerous long term

Lennon would've got that team through tonight. Are you seriously arguing with that? The board could've kept Lennon for another season or two. He left for the same reasons that Roy Keane and Henrik Larsson turned the job down.

I wish Deila all the best, but he should not have got the job, he was originally earmarked as a number 2.

RoryMac

TheCitizen wrote: »

Lennon would've got that team through tonight. Are you seriously arguing with that? The board could've kept Lennon for another season or two. He left for the same reasons that Roy Keane and Henrik Larsson turned the job down.

I wish Deila all the best, but he should not have got the job, he was originally earmarked as a number 2.

I didn't mention Lennon?!

And I'm not so sure he would have got us through, we scraped by Karagandy with a last min goal last year & Maribor are a level up from them so no I'm not sure. Lennon didn't have as good a record in the qualifiers as you seem to think.

As I said before there is nothing in Keane or Larsson's managerial records to suggest they were right for the job

keeponhurling

Oh well, at least we rested the whole team at the weekend for that !

I was disappointed with the number of poor touches and stray passes, not sure if some if them could have done with an extra game at this early stage of the season

TheCitizen

RoryMac wrote: »

I didn't mention Lennon?!

And I'm not so sure he would have got us through, we scraped by Karagandy with a last min goal last year & Maribor are a level up from them so no I'm not sure. Lennon didn't have as good a record in the qualifiers as you seem to think.

Lennon definitely would've got us through v that Maribor outfit tonight, no doubt about it.

RoryMac wrote: »

As I said before there is nothing in Keane or Larsson's managerial records to suggest they were right for the job

Larsson and Keane were too costly for the boards' penny pinching philosophy. That's why Lennon left and why we ended up with a number 2 in the hotseat.

TheCitizen

keeponhurling wrote: »

Oh well, at least we rested the whole team at the weekend for that !

I was disappointed with the number of poor touches and stray passes, not sure if some if them could have done with an extra game at this early stage of the season

There's a hurling Final coming up soon. KK for me.

keith16

Dempsey wrote: »

Again, nonsense. The standard punishment was applied for this rule break. They didnt register a suspended player so they could register another. Innocuous indeed. Everyone knows you have to be registered for a competition to serve a ban.

Cry about Legia all you want. But Celtic are an absolute shambles at the minute.

They were comprehensively beaten by Legia, and now beaten by a side from Slovenia. Pats would probably have beaten them.

They could have shown a lot of class by agreeing to meet Legia but effectively thumbed their nose at them.

I'd say Maribor were delighted when they found out they were avoiding Legia.

Celtic have gone down immensely in my estimation and I say this as someone who cheered / defended them in the past. That doesn't mean a lot to anyone but booing the team and treating Legia the way they did are not the actions of a club I am familiar with.

RoryMac

TheCitizen wrote: »

Lennon definitely would've got us through v that Maribor outfit tonight, no doubt about it.

Except history shows that would be far from certain




Larsson and Keane were too costly for the boards' penny pinching philosophy. That's why Lennon left and why we ended up with a number 2 in the hotseat.[/quote]

How do you know what Larsson & Keane wanted?

Dempsey

TheCitizen wrote: »

Aye, and when they're sounded out they decide they're not interested. And Celtic end up with a Number 2 target in the hotseat.

Thats not always the case. A manager can say what he'd like to do if given the job in the interview, it might not fit with what the club wants from manager. Shoehorning someone into a job isnt a good idea, is it?

Roy Keane wants a warchest everywhere he went previous to provide limited short term success. MON was the first and last to get a warchest.

Dempsey

keith16 wrote: »

Cry about Legia all you want. But Celtic are an absolute shambles at the minute.

They were comprehensively beaten by Legia, and now beaten by a side from Slovenia. Pats would probably have beaten them.

They could have shown a lot of class by agreeing to meet Legia but effectively thumbed their nose at them.

I'd say Maribor were delighted when they found out they were avoiding Legia.

Celtic have gone down immensely in my estimation and I say this as someone who cheered / defended them in the past. That doesn't mean a lot to anyone but booing the team and treating Legia the way they did are not the actions of a club I am familiar with.

You can dream on about Pats beating Maribor but explain this treatment of Legia by Celtic. Celtic didnt do anything to Legia nor treat them badly so explain your nonsense.

RoryMac

keith16 wrote: »

Cry about Legia all you want. But Celtic are an absolute shambles at the minute.

They were comprehensively beaten by Legia, and now beaten by a side from Slovenia. Pats would probably have beaten them.

They could have shown a lot of class by agreeing to meet Legia but effectively thumbed their nose at them.

I'd say Maribor were delighted when they found out they were avoiding Legia.

Celtic have gone down immensely in my estimation and I say this as someone who cheered / defended them in the past. That doesn't mean a lot to anyone but booing the team and treating Legia the way they did are not the actions of a club I am familiar with.

What are you on about??

Celtic did nothing to get the result in the Legia game awarded to them and could do nothing about the punishment dealt out to Legia

Do you honestly think UEFA would have allowed a one off game?!

Legia played a player who was banned and were punished in the same way as every other team who does that, it had nothing to do with Celtic

PauloMN

TheCitizen wrote: »

Lennon definitely would've got us through v that Maribor outfit tonight, no doubt about it.





Larsson and Keane were too costly for the boards' penny pinching philosophy. That's why Lennon left and why we ended up with a number 2 in the hotseat.

Delia made some poor decisions, no doubt about it, but I don't think Roy Keane would have been the answer to our prayers, even if he had accepted the job had it been offered to him.

Lennon left because he was bored. Lennon knew what he signed up to when he took the job, and nothing changed as regards the financial model. The board are the board, they have to keep the club liquid and they've employed the same financial model for years. It's not rocket science and it's common sense. Bringing in super signings that cost millions (and whose wages we could not afford) would put us at a huge risk of folding - even if you could find a quality player to sign for us that would fit the bill.

What should the board have done? Spent millions and broken wage structures on a non-existent super-striker that wouldn't want to come to a Celtic side without the guarantee of CL football? Honestly I think some people live in a parallel universe when I read some of the stuff posted on here.

The squad we have for the CL qualifiers should be capable of getting through to the groups. For the past few seasons, we've been up against sides with much lesser resources than our own. Delia imo made too many changes too quickly - the CL qualifiers was not the time to be experimenting with formations and styles of play. Tonight alone I was shocked that Commons did not start at home in such a game. Stokes up on his own getting no service from a midfield that yet again could not retain possession and seemed to pass about 50% of their ball to opposition players.

He should have stuck with the system with which the players are familiar. No Brown, no Forrest, Samaras gone, a new keeper, new signings... not the time to be experimenting imo.

Now he has to produce some good results in the Europa League, for pride if nothing else. The domestic cups take on a new importance now.

Gonna be a long, long season.

PauloMN

Is keith16 = TheKeith?

keith16

Dempsey wrote: »

You can dream on about Pats beating Maribor but explain this treatment of Legia by Celtic. Celtic didnt do anything to Legia nor treat them badly so explain your nonsense.

Do Celtic fans lack self awareness or humility?

Legia were desperate to get into CL and requested a meeting with Celtic. I agree such a meeting would have done little to change the outcome nor would Celtics influence.

The player in question wasn't registered for the preceding qualifiers. You don't register a squad in the same way you do for the tournament proper. Nothing malicious in it at all. Celtic were outclassed and one player wouldn't have made a difference.

Let me put it this way: if Celtic had won this evening, do you really think they would have been deserving of their place there? With Europe's Elite?

If I were a Celtic fan I would have the grace and humility to think, you know what, thankfully we're not there. We would be humiliated. We don't deserve to be there.

As a United fan I am thinking the same and I don't harbour any dreams of Pats in the champions league.

TheCitizen

Dempsey wrote: »

Thats not always the case. A manager can say what he'd like to do if given the job in the interview, it might not fit with what the club wants from manager. Shoehorning someone into a job isnt a good idea, is it?

Roy Keane wants a warchest everywhere he went previous to provide limited short term success. MON was the first and last to get a warchest.

MON wont be the last to get a warchest. Things will change, eventually, don't hold your breathe, but in the meantime Celtic should try to remain remotely relevant. Are you getting any of this???



What we needed this summer was Lennon to stay. Keane would've done the same job as Lennon if Lennon was to leave for some other reason than lack of funds.

Keane's not an idiot, he would've been fine as Celtic manager, get over your prejudices of him. Keane probably would've got us through that Maribor tie tonight as well.

Larsson? the other one they offered the job to - maybe, but Keane had a bit of experience as a manager. Although the obvious thing to do was keep Lennon at least 'till a Rangers team was in the SPL.

We failed tonight due to Ronny Deila's lack of experience. That's gonna cost a lot. The board to blame.

Dempsey

keith16 wrote: »

Do Celtic fans lack self awareness or humility?

Legia were desperate to get into CL and requested a meeting with Celtic. I agree such a meeting would have done little to change the outcome nor would Celtics influence.

The player in question wasn't registered for the preceding qualifiers. You don't register a squad in the same way you do for the tournament proper. Nothing malicious in it at all. Celtic were outclassed and one player wouldn't have made a difference.

Let me put it this way: if Celtic had won this evening, do you really think they would have been deserving of their place there? With Europe's Elite?

If I were a Celtic fan I would have the grace and humility to think, you know what, thankfully we're not there. We would be humiliated. We don't deserve to be there.

As a United fan I am thinking the same and I don't harbour any dreams of Pats in the champions league.

Changing the argument I see.

If they won, they would have "deserved it" because they played by the rules and won their matches.

I have to laugh at the high horse attitude in modern football though

keith16

PauloMN wrote: »

Is keith16 = TheKeith?

Don't know what you're in about. I'm not trying to wind anyone up. I was full of praise for Celtic not so long ago when they were beating Barca.

Their decline is alarming and the club should have taken the medicine given to them by Legia.

A cold hard dose of reality that was met with a shrug of the shoulders and "rules is rules".

Very convenient but the reality was there for all to see again this evening. There will be no loopholes after tonight. Into the Europa league. And don't fool yourself about the standard of that tournament either.

keith16

Dempsey wrote: »

Changing the argument I see.

If they won, they would have "deserved it" because they played by the rules and won their matches.

I have to laugh at the high horse attitude in modern football though

So by the rules then Celtics record is

P4 W1 D1 L2

Pathetic against opposition from Poland and Slovenia.

Love the irony of someone shouting about rules and high horses in one post.

LiamoSail

That was a shocking dose of reality.

Still, I'd rather get beaten by
Maribor (sp?) in the qualifiers than embarrassed by a decent side in the group stages. Imagine Celtic got Real? It'd be a cricket score. The £15m that the CL is worth to Celtic makes little difference anyway when irrespective of qualification, any signings are going to be no-marks, if indeed there are any at all.

Better off with a some what dignified exit from the Europa then being the San Marino of the CL

TheCitizen

LiamoSail wrote: »

That was a shocking dose of reality.

Still, I'd rather get beaten by
Maribor (sp?) in the qualifiers than embarrassed by a decent side in the group stages. Imagine Celtic got Real? It'd be a cricket score. The £15m that the CL is worth to Celtic makes little difference anyway when irrespective of qualification, any signings are going to be no-marks, if indeed there are any at all.

Better off with a some what dignified exit from the Europa then being the San Marino of the CL

Naah. Not havin that chief.

Would've been better to qualify even if we got humped in nearly every game. The experience would've stood to us and we might've got a 3rd place finish with the odd home point.

Nah put it down to experience, chance gone. Hope we don't regret it too much in years to come. The board will remind us of this failure undoubtedly.

delaad

buckfasterer wrote: »

Probably better they don't make Champions League at this rate. It's disgraceful stuff from the players and management so far. I feel sorry for the lads who I saw getting the bus to the game at 7 this morning to go and watch this.

I wasnt one of them. But fair point.There were 55,000 supporters there tonight. They were disgustingly let down.

New owners needed

delaad

leeroybrown wrote: »

After being given a reprieve by Legia's stupidity and UEFA's stricter than previous application of the rules, Celtic go and show how awful they are all over again. A waste of a second chance at Champion's League football.

If they were awful the first day, they were condemned to be awful the next day. Only a fool wouldn't have seem their readmission to the competition as anything other than a poisoned chalice.

delaad

PauloMN wrote: »

Is keith16 = TheKeith?

Whoever he is, he's silly.

snaps

It really shows how poor Scottish football is at present and it looks like its getting worse, perhaps Celtic are suffering a bit now from not playing Rangers every season, even though I dont think that would make much difference.
In all honesty,Celtic were shown up by very weak sides (Warsaw and Maribor) and in all fairness both those teams deserved to beat Celtic.

On another note, the Polish media are having a field day here, especially the morning radio shows. RMF keep playing a laughing policeman type sound,followed by them saying "Celtic"..

dan1895

Would be fun to see Legia and Celtic draw each other in the Europa group stages. Providing the Poles finish off Aktobe.

PauloMN

dan1895 wrote: »

Would be fun to see Legia and Celtic draw each other in the Europa group stages. Providing the Poles finish off Aktobe.

I'd love to get them and beat them, after all the shíte talk from their manager again today.