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Introducing new puppy
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27-08-2014 12:41pm#1
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HungryFish wrote: »Science plan
Ok well that's why he's mad :P - Hills is full of cheap fillers. If you do a search you'll find tons of food threads with suggestions of much better foods which should help calm him a bit
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HungryFish wrote: »Really? I thought husse was really good. My last dog (don't kill me) always had pedigree chum. I know now that it's not good at all. When I changed him to husse, he became more energetic and his coat became lovely and white. They're on science plan now because that was what breeder was feeding. I don't understand why vets sell food if it's so bad! I'm going to have to do some research…thanks
The food that vets sell isn't 'so bad', it is nutritionally sufficient for your dog. My vet sells a wide variety of food, including Burns which is a good food. If you have used a food previously, and you were happy with it, then I don't see any reason for you to change. Food is very contentious on here, I asked previously if anyone posting had any animal nutrition training, and nobody replied, so I guess not, so its basically what they prefer, and what they have learnt, usually from the interweb.Personally I wouldn’t feed my dog certain food as its sold by the VET, while the may have good medical advice (you hope) they do not weigh heavily on nutrition at all.
Like most vets sell either Royal Canin & Hills (both poor quality) and Burns (ok quality), but remember they get commission / kick back to sell the food and that’s why they do it etc.. DEF stay clear of the like of maxi zoo or supermarkets for dog food, commercial dog food is usually very poor quality
your head will be melted once you start researching certain foods…. just some word of advice… do not even consider food that states “crude” protein, ash … or animals derivatives, or fillers, all really poor quality.
You could also look at feeding your dogs the “raw” diet….
I fed my dog burns for about 6 years (it was ok quality, I thought at the time it was great), with some substitutes Ie salmon oil a teaspoon daily, sardines, boiled chicken a few days a week…
I then moved on to Taste of the wild (grain free) I found it great but in recent months I’ve moved him onto boiled chicken with carrots, parsnip, broccoli (small amount), peas, cauliflowers etc… or boiled mince beef with the same.
Again salmon oil mixed in every second day for his joints and coat and he’s never been better. He gets fed twice a day….
I still add taste of the wild in some days if he’s been very active etc., but he’s doing great, he adores his food, in all honesty it does cost me more each week, but he’s happy = Im happy.
zooplus is a great site for all things animal!
Why would you advise somebody not to go to Maxi Zoo, its a pet shop, with a wide variety of dog food
They sell one particular food that is around €90 for 15kg, and is sold basically on the same premise as taste of the wild etc.
Do you know what ash means on a dog food label?
Do you think that pet shops and websites sell food at cost? I can't understand this thing about how bad it is that vets make money on food they sell. Of course they do, just like every single vendor does, otherwise why would they do it? The salmon oil you buy, do you get it cost? Why do you not object to the person selling that making money on it? Surely if a vet can make money on food, pet products etc, it can help to keep the cost of treatment down?0 -
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The food that vets sell isn't 'so bad', it is nutritionally sufficient for your dog. My vet sells a wide variety of food, including Burns which is a good food. If you have used a food previously, and you were happy with it, then I don't see any reason for you to change. Food is very contentious on here, I asked previously if anyone posting had any animal nutrition training, and nobody replied, so I guess not, so its basically what they prefer, and what they have learnt, usually from the interweb.
Why would you advise somebody not to go to Maxi Zoo, its a pet shop, with a wide variety of dog food They sell one particular food that is around €90 for 15kg, and is sold basically on the same premise as taste of the wild etc.
Do you know what ash means on a dog food label?
Do you think that pet shops and websites sell food at cost? I can't understand this thing about how bad it is that vets make money on food they sell. Of course they do, just like every single vendor does, otherwise why would they do it? The salmon oil you buy, do you get it cost? Why do you not object to the person selling that making money on it? Surely if a vet can make money on food, pet products etc, it can help to keep the cost of treatment down?
Not too sure why you’re getting a bee in your bonnet, I’m entitled to my opinion…
I never said vet were not allowed to make money from the food the sell… I said they don’t always sell good nutritional food.
Never in my post did I say I got my salmon oil for cost price?? infact I don’t believe I mention cost price anywhere. I did say I found zooplus very good and I stand by that….
Also I stand by what said about pet shops and maxi zoo… a lot of the food they sell is rubbish…. the staff (99% are students) are not qualified to give advice so the recommend any brand etc… just because its pricey doesn’t mean its good (im sure you already agree with this)
again my opinion, you are also entitled to your muddy paws democracy and all that.
OP…. research the best brand to suit your dog and your budget…. look up ingredients and nutrituonal value… these should help you decide.0 -
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OP, rule of thumb with dry dog food is that the main ingredient should be a meat product. The cheaper foods and supermarket brands are all full of cereal fillers and usually make up the bulk of the food. You'll always see on a bag of pedigree that it says it's "complete" and "with chicken/beef". Read the small print and there's 4% meat and the main ingredient is cereals. When a food is full of fillers such as cereals you have to feed more of it to ensure the dog gets enough of the recommended nutritional requirement so a cheap food will just goes through the dog and you'll be picking up large (probably sloppy) poos. Get a decent, usually more expensive food and the portion sizes will be smaller, and the poos should be better due to better quality ingredients. The bag will last longer too, making it better value in the long run. Although bear in mind that some dogs don't suit certain foods, even the most expensive of foods, so it's wise to try small bags of a few brands before splashing out on a big bag.
I personally feed my dogs raw/fresh food, but look after plenty of dry fed dogs, and have to pick up plenty of poo
. I know exactly who's done what poo going on consistency and size based on what they're fed, and the cheaper foods don't fare well in the poo stakes:o 0
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