Media sympathetic coverage/agenda with evictions

drumswan

JohnBee wrote: »

Thanks for agreeing with me. Because if you are suggesting that central bank regulation worked

So soft touch regulation was unable to stop a runaway credit bubble which destroyed the property sector, so we need even less of it. Eh, Im confused.

JohnBee

drumswan wrote: »

So soft touch regulation was unable to stop a runaway credit bubble which destroyed the property sector, so we need even less of it. Eh, Im confused.

Soft touch regulation AND government. They both go hand in hand. Were you somewhere else for the last 20 years?

drumswan

JohnBee wrote: »

Soft touch regulation AND government. They both go hand in hand. Were you somewhere else for the last 20 years?

Well yeah, I emigrated for a bit like lots of people.

Anyway, what we need is more effective regulation and control, not the kind of hands off approach which allowed the chaos we all have to live with in the property sector now.

the_syco

JohnBee wrote: »

Thanks for agreeing with me. Because if you are suggesting that central bank regulation worked or that government pandering to unions, massively driving up wages, and thus costs, were both highly effective in Ireland then that would clearly just be crazy talk.

But there was no regulation before the crash, only government intervention after the horse had bolted?

Frank Lee Midere

JohnBee wrote: »

Thanks for agreeing with me. Because if you are suggesting that central bank regulation worked or that government pandering to unions, massively driving up wages, and thus costs, were both highly effective in Ireland then that would clearly just be crazy talk.

That's saying that regulation didn't work. The poster you responded to said the market didn't work. Not that there is a free market in housing now anyway.

gaius c

JohnBee wrote: »

In that case, economics will apply and rents will fall to ensure property is still occupied. This is actually a much more preferable situation to the current mortgage crisis. At least with rent, it CAN be flexible, unlike the banks.

What we definitely don't want is the likes of socialists interfering.

Maybe Irish people need to reduce their expectations?

A whole house for a family seems very extravagant. I bet they even want a garden as well. How about they take individual rooms in the house? That way they'd be able to pool resources and afford a much nicer house.

Frank Lee Midere

murphaph wrote: »

Not my standards. They were over accommodated according to any local authority you care to choose. Do you believe that the taxpayer should pay for a married couple with no dependents to live in a 3 or 4 bed property rather than a 1 bed?

The taxpayer is clearly subsidising hundreds of thousands of mortgage holders and, more ridiculously, buy to let landlords.

quadrifoglio verde

Frank Lee Midere wrote: »

That's saying that regulation didn't work. The poster you responded to said the market didn't work. Not that there is a free market in housing now anyway.

We had massive stamp duty on purchases. Didn't seem to stop it.
Granted we also had section 23s, but even in areas where there was no section 23 but high stamp duty prices still rose

quadrifoglio verde

gaius c wrote: »

Maybe Irish people need to reduce their expectations?

A whole house for a family seems very extravagant. I bet they even want a garden as well. How about they take individual rooms in the house? That way they'd be able to pool resources and afford a much nicer house.

They buy/rent in an area that they can afford?
This idea that everyone has to live within a few square km south of the canal and inside the m50 is ridiculous. Those that want to, can pay for it.
Those who can't, either quit moaning and find somewhere cheaper to live that ticks their boxes or they become proactive about improving their financial situation.

Frank Lee Midere

quadrifoglio verde wrote: »

We had massive stamp duty on purchases. Didn't seem to stop it.
Granted we also had section 23s, but even in areas where there was no section 23 but high stamp duty prices still rose

Stamp duty is meaningless. It didn't add to the cost of the house. It just reduced what the seller got.

Frank Lee Midere

quadrifoglio verde wrote: »

They buy/rent in an area that they can afford?
This idea that everyone has to live within a few square km south of the canal and inside the m50 is ridiculous. Those that want to, can pay for it.
Those who can't, either quit moaning and find somewhere cheaper to live that ticks their boxes or they become proactive about improving their financial situation.

Or we get cheaper houses when the free market is applied not just to renters but to everybody now in arrears.

And of course people should be able to live inside the M50. The population is tiny relative to that area.

quadrifoglio verde

Frank Lee Midere wrote: »

Or we get cheaper houses when the free market is applied not just to renters but to everybody now in arrears.

And of course people should be able to live inside the M50. The population is tiny relative to that area.

Yes I agree, but irish people want 3/4 bed semi and a back garden as opposed to a manhattan style apartment blocks. Or even Berlin. Irish people will always want gardens, it goes back to the whole land thing, if you own a house with a tiny patch out the back, you own land, if you own an apartment, you own the inside walls.

I'd love to see the free market applied to everything, let the market decide the price. If you're not able to pay your mortgage, it's bye bye time and someone who can moves in instead.
However we both know that will never happen.

Victor

Barely There wrote: »

Ironically, it is the lack of evictions and repossessions which is significantly contributing to the rise in rents. The market is not behaving as it should as people with unsustainable mortgages are being artificially protected and the available housing stock reduces correspondingly and drives up demand/prices.

I'm not sure that this has a huge effect. If someone has been evicted and a property now vacant, those people are now looking for accommodation. It may lead to some efficiency, insofar as people holding on to larger properties will be forced to trade down, but it isn't as much as you make it out to be.

gaius c wrote: »

Maybe Irish people need to reduce their expectations?

A whole house for a family seems very extravagant. I bet they even want a garden as well. How about they take individual rooms in the house? That way they'd be able to pool resources and afford a much nicer house.

I detect sarcasm.

quadrifoglio verde wrote: »

Yes I agree, but irish people want 3/4 bed semi and a back garden as opposed to a manhattan style apartment blocks. Or even Berlin. Irish people will always want gardens, it goes back to the whole land thing, if you own a house with a tiny patch out the back, you own land, if you own an apartment, you own the inside walls.

Owning a 3/4 bed semi was all well and good when 'typical' families had 4 or more children. 'Typical' families are now much smaller and average household size even smaller again - approximately 3 people per household.

I'd love to see the free market applied to everything, let the market decide the price. If you're not able to pay your mortgage, it's bye bye time and someone who can moves in instead.
However we both know that will never happen.

We need to be careful what we wish for.

mikemac1

As an elderly couple they wouldn't be getting a family home from the local authority, nothing like that house in Castleknock

4 years is a crazy long waiting list though and it must be even higher for family homes.

They are in Castleknock which isn't that far from Ballyfermot. Nice walk across the park

The Iveagh Trust are renovating a estate of 70 flats nearby that was setup for elderly people but closed off in the last few years.

They don't have to stay in Fingal

lol, it's across the road from Ballyfermot FAS centre but has a Chapelizod address. Now, they can move to Chapelizod

Caliden

mikemac1 wrote: »

As an elderly couple they wouldn't be getting a family home from the local authority, nothing like that house in Castleknock

4 years is a crazy long waiting list though and it must be even higher for family homes.

They are in Castleknock which isn't that far from Ballyfermot. Nice walk across the park

The Iveagh Trust are renovating a estate of 70 flats nearby that was setup for elderly people but closed off in the last few years.

They don't have to stay in Fingal

lol, it's across the road from Ballyfermot FAS centre but has a Chapelizod address. Now, they can move to Chapelizod

But Ballyfermot doesn't have a D15 postal address!

gaius c

Victor wrote: »

I detect sarcasm.

At least one person got it!

Moving to an area you can afford is fine and well but what if you're a single income family on the €40k mark?
Even living in Ballyfermot would take 1100-1200 out of your post-tax pay cheque. Where are our bin men supposed to live?

CatFromHue

Four men occupied the former home of Martin and Violet Coyne in Luttrel Park Close in Carpenterstown at 7.45am this morning. Among those occupying the house are Derek Coyne, the couple’s son.

Mr Gibney said they will remain in situ until the Coynes are allowed back into their home.
The other occupiers are from People For Economic Justice and The Land League.
Mr Gibney said they intend to stay “indefinitely” or until the case is back in the High Court next week.

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/former-home-of-evicted-couple-occupied-by-campaigners-1.1926867

FFS

That's robbery!

jay0109

Damn right.....it was like the famine times all over again, as though Cromwell had come back!
Jerry Beades- leading us to a brighter future. Where has this man being all these years...we need leaders like him

quadrifoglio verde

CatFromHue wrote: »

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/former-home-of-evicted-couple-occupied-by-campaigners-1.1926867

FFS

That's robbery!

A lovely injunction would serve them right.

pc7

How can they say it is 'their home' they were renting, I'm sorry things didn't work out for them, but their son should be arrested for trespass. Did someone not offer them a bungalow somewhere else at one point (free iirc).

Sala

Why are the Gardai not arresting them? It's trespass.

jay0109

pc7 wrote: »

How can they say it is 'their home' they were renting, I'm sorry things didn't work out for them, but their son should be arrested for trespass. Did someone not offer them a bungalow somewhere else at one point (free iirc).

Yeah, in Navan. But they want to live in Castleknock/Carpenterstown. It's beside their family....thats a constitutional right:rolleyes:

Gatling

mikemac1 wrote: »

As an elderly couple they wouldn't be getting a family home from the local authority, nothing like that house in Castleknock

4 years is a crazy long waiting list though and it must be even higher for family homes.

The average wait is currently around 8-10 years for a family home ,
now the lists changed over the last several years

Your only entitled to certain types of properties now depending on needs of the family ,
2 adult's and 2 kids (both same sex) 2 bed apartment and so on

Gone are the days of 3 bed front and back garden for any one

pc7

Do we know where this couple are currently? are they with family or renting elsewhere?

gaius c

Beades still sticking up for fellow failed property developers?

iguana

pc7 wrote: »

How can they say it is 'their home' they were renting,

It wasn't their property but it was their home. Home means place where you live, not place that you own.

pc7

iguana wrote: »

It wasn't their property but it was their home. Home means place where you live, not place that you own.

But they have no legal claim to that 'home' they were renting it, the owner didn't pay the bank, the bank now owns it. I do understand what you mean though but they have no claim to it, proper procedures were followed, it is tough and sad but that's just how it goes. It is not theirs to take back.

jay0109

Sala wrote: »

Why are the Gardai not arresting them? It's trespass.

Gardai re-took the house today at 2pm
http://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/campaigners-removed-from-former-home-of-evicted-couple-1.1926867

The Freemen and other associated loons won't be happy:D

rawn

jay0109 wrote: »

Gardai re-took the house today at 2pm
http://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/campaigners-removed-from-former-home-of-evicted-couple-1.1926867

The Freemen and other associated loons won't be happy:D

"only offered a house in Cavan"

garhjw

The Coynes are going to have even more difficulty finding somewhere to rent now. What landlord, in his right mind, would rent to people like this?