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more irish water nonsense

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  • #202
    Mrs Garth Brooks
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,865 ✭✭✭Mrs Garth Brooks


    Imagine Vodafone, O2 or Sky or any other company you're not with sending you an information pack but forcing you to sign up. ****ing hell.


  • #203
    Ogham
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,844 ✭✭✭Ogham


    Mrs Garth Brooks wrote: »
    Imagine Vodafone, O2 or Sky or any other company you're not with sending you an information pack but forcing you to sign up. ****ing hell.

    You are "with" your local council for water - and their water services function has been taken over by Irish Water as legislated by the Dail.
    Because the councils never kept proper records of who was connected to what - now IrishWater have to try and find out.


  • #204
    steveone
    Closed Accounts Posts: 740 ✭✭✭steveone


    Ogham wrote: »
    You are "with" your local council for water - and their water services function has been taken over by Irish Water as legislated by the Dail.
    Because the councils never kept proper records of who was connected to what - now IrishWater have to try and find out.

    I'm sure they could find out without signing up to a contract?


  • #205
    Ogham
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,844 ✭✭✭Ogham


    steveone wrote: »
    I'm sure they could find out without signing up to a contract?

    Some council's probably have no records of exactly who they supply - especially in rural areas. They have to charge now so they need to get details for billing . There was no record of who owned which house until the property tax came along.

    EU have told Ireland that they have to charge for water - and now they have to find out who to bill .


  • #206
    Ogham
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,844 ✭✭✭Ogham


    emeo wrote: »
    Received my contract of doom, sorry starter pack today
    I am just wondering if they all are addressed to "the occupant"
    or if its just mine??

    It looks like many are personally addressed too. Some have gone to accountants. It seems they have use property tax info - but where a property is rented they won't know who the tenant is in most cases.
    They are authorised to use data from Revenue , PTRB , Local Councils, Gas and Electricity Suppliers and Social Welfare .


  • #207
    ART6
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,632 ✭✭✭ART6


    Ogham wrote: »
    They are authorised to use data from Revenue , PTRB , Local Councils, Gas and Electricity Suppliers and Social Welfare .

    Just imagine the outcry if another "company" -- say Airtricity -- was permitted by law to do that?


  • #208
    Ogham
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,844 ✭✭✭Ogham


    ART6 wrote: »
    Just imagine the outcry if another "company" -- say Airtricity -- was permitted by law to do that?

    But they are the 100% state owned water utility - not a profit making company like Airtricity.


  • #209
    ART6
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,632 ✭✭✭ART6


    Ogham wrote: »
    But they are the 100% state owned water utility - not a profit making company like Airtricity.

    They are not controlled by any minister or government department. They are permitted to borrow to fund capital expenditure. They are expected to provide €500m a year to government coffers (in tax, returns on investment, or what? Who knows?). They can seek to enter into contracts with their customers (the Irish Water application pack). They are required to be profitable are not a "not for profit" operation. Please explain the difference between IW and a limited company?


  • #210
    seamus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68,317 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    Mrs Garth Brooks wrote: »
    Imagine Vodafone, O2 or Sky or any other company you're not with sending you an information pack but forcing you to sign up. ****ing hell.
    You can always send the pack back indicating that you're not a customer. Oh wait, you are. You're not being forced to sign up to anything, you already receive water from the public system therefore you're already a customer. It's not rocket science.

    Any of those companies could send you the exact same information pack, but it would be a massive waste of their money because they already know who their customers are.


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  • #211
    Tim76
    Registered Users Posts: 955 ✭✭✭Tim76


    I was initially pro-water rates but this debacle is making me sick to my stomach.

    Anybody know the consequences of not sighing and returning this "contract"?

    I'm living on my own in an apartment, can they even cut me off??


  • #212
    DamagedTrax
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,277 ✭✭✭DamagedTrax


    Tim76 wrote: »
    I was initially pro-water rates but this debacle is making me sick to my stomach.

    Anybody know the consequences of not sighing and returning this "contract"?

    I'm living on my own in an apartment, can they even cut me off??

    iphone Joan has stated that legally they cannot cut off your supply.


  • #213
    Tim76
    Registered Users Posts: 955 ✭✭✭Tim76


    DamagedTrax wrote: »
    iphone Joan has stated that legally they cannot cut off your supply.

    Has iPhone Joan advised of any penalties for not signing up?


  • #214
    Little CuChulainn
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,624 ✭✭✭Little CuChulainn


    Tim76 wrote: »
    I was initially pro-water rates but this debacle is making me sick to my stomach.

    Anybody know the consequences of not sighing and returning this "contract"?

    I'm living on my own in an apartment, can they even cut me off??

    They will bill you the standard rate with no allowance. The application pack is not a contract, it's an application for the water allowance. You are already in a contract by using the service. This is set out in the legislation.

    They will not cut you off if you fail to pay. They will pursue you in the same way you would be pursued if you fail to pay the M50 toll.


  • #215
    Tim76
    Registered Users Posts: 955 ✭✭✭Tim76


    Little CuChulainn wrote: »
    They will not cut you off if you fail to pay. They will pursue you in the same way you would be pursued if you fail to pay the M50 toll.

    Thanks for the clarification. Do you know what the the standard rate is versus the allowance adjusted flat rate for one person or where I can find this info?


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