An attack on the UK is "highly likely"

suicide_circus

ted1 wrote: »

Unfortunately they came about as a direct result of predominately Christian countries bombing the **** out iof their country.

Ah yea, when we're bombing we're predominantly Christian. When we're implementing "progressive" policies we're secular.

catallus

Is there anything to be said for another Crusade?

The_Valeyard

mickoftheglens wrote: »

so we could get Donegal away from us as well?

Maybe keep Donegal, but use it on the border with the North, and create a whole new coastline with beaches, shopfronts, ports for cruise ships, etc.

Meglamonia

Call me racist but I do find Muslims to be the only people to not integrate,they're ignorant to any other culture and think everything should be suited to them.

They don't take part in any religion classes in school,imagine going to Saudi Arabia and telling them you don't want to learn about religion,you'd be given 100 lashings.

Frank Grimes

Meglamonia wrote: »

Call me racist but I do find Muslims to be the only people to not integrate,they're ignorant to any other culture and think everything should be suited to them.

They don't take part in any religion classes in school,imagine going to Saudi Arabia and telling them you don't want to learn about religion,you'd be given 100 lashings.

Yep, just 'the Muslims' guilty of that.

Nodin

Meglamonia wrote: »

Call me racist but I do find Muslims to be the only people to not integrate,they're ignorant to any other culture and think everything should be suited to them..

Can't, as Islam is not a race.

"
• 83% of Muslims are proud to be a British citizen, compared to 79% of the general public.
• 77% of Muslims strongly identify with Britain while only 50% of the wider population do.
• 86.4% of Muslims feel they belong in Britain, slightly more than the 85.9% of Christians.
• 82% of Muslims want to live in diverse and mixed neighbourhoods compared to 63% of non-Muslim Britons.
• 90% of Pakistanis feel a strong sense of belonging in Britain compared to 84% of white people."

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/belief/2012/jul/03/muslims-integrated-britain

Meglamonia wrote: »

They don't take part in any religion classes in school,..

Ha.

Meglamonia wrote: »

imagine going to Saudi Arabia and telling them you don't want to learn about religion,you'd be given 100 lashings.

Why would they give a crap?

Are all muslims from Saudi?

Pumpkinseeds

Perhaps a tad radical, but could they just not bomb the fcuk out of the middle east, thus killing off many of the crazies, then start with a clean slate? There's a lot of piddling about and indecision while the terrorists gradually take control of an area containing globally important oil reserves.

Forget innocent civillians, those are casualties of war and bombing the fcuk out of them regardless of civillian hostages/casualties might prevent future terrorists kidnapping people.

conorh91

SpaceTime wrote: »

The only issue with these "Terror Alerts" is what exactly the purpose of them is.

One person I know in London basically decided that she's going to work from home and avoid all public transport until it's downgraded.

I know an old lady in London who won't go out AT ALL because of it!

I'm not really sure what the point of frightening people is.

Vigilance.

There's merit in a system that encourages people who may previously only have had niggling suspicions, to reassess those suspicions, and make them known to a police officer or another public authority if needs be.

I know it's popular to scoff at anti-terrorism measures, but these systems are one of the more sensible measures invoked against terrorism in recent years.

The Th!ng

Hopefully Hilary Clinton will fly a kamikaze mission against them.

Nodin

The Th!ng wrote: »

Hopefully Hilary Clinton will fly a kamikaze mission against them.

She may just stride amongst them, cutting all down with her merciless glare.

bodice ripper

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uaQ-uawJQ-M

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Frank Grimes

Pumpkinseeds wrote: »

Perhaps a tad radical, but could they just not bomb the fcuk out of the middle east, thus killing off many of the crazies, then start with a clean slate? There's a lot of piddling about and indecision while the terrorists gradually take control of an area containing globally important oil reserves.

Forget innocent civillians, those are casualties of war and bombing the fcuk out of them regardless of civillian hostages/casualties might prevent future terrorists kidnapping people.

I think moronic is the word you're looking for.

LorMal

Egginacup wrote: »

I wonder who will take over from ISIS as the "worst of the worst", since Al Qaeda are no longer the worst of the worst, or the Taliban, or the Lords Resistance Army, or Kony, or The Awakening, or whatever other bogeyman du jour is

Egg man, sorry but you are a bore. Your jaded cynicism is tiresome. You adopt the superior tone of one who knows more than everyone else. We are just naive fools. We are just patsies - unthinkingly buying into the propaganda being fed to us by the media and Uncle Sam.
You seem to think you have a unique level of insight.
The truth is you know no more than the rest of us. You have decided that this is all some big conspiracy and the facts are not going to get in the way of your superior narrative.
Give it a rest.

tayto lover

Madam wrote: »

Oh for Gawds sake Enoch Powel was a bigoted oul racist and perhaps xenophobic to boot!!!

Well he cried his eyes out after that bus carrying Africans drove off the bridge.
When asked why he was crying he replied "Two empty seats".:D

Bigot indeed.

wes

Pumpkinseeds wrote: »

Perhaps a tad radical, but could they just not bomb the fcuk out of the middle east, thus killing off many of the crazies, then start with a clean slate? There's a lot of piddling about and indecision while the terrorists gradually take control of an area containing globally important oil reserves.

Forget innocent civillians, those are casualties of war and bombing the fcuk out of them regardless of civillian hostages/casualties might prevent future terrorists kidnapping people.

Thats pretty much the exact same logic ISIS and there ilk use to justify there atrocities.

Pumpkinseeds

Frank Grimes wrote: »

I think moronic is the word you're looking for.

Reasoning with terrorists works really well doesn't it:cool:

The Th!ng

Nodin wrote: »

She may just stride amongst them, cutting all down with her merciless glare.

That didn't work out too well for her in Libya.

hotmail.com

A nice distraction from the internal divisions within the Conservative Party.

LorMal

ted1 wrote: »

Unfortunately they came about as a direct result of predominately Christian countries bombing the **** out iof their country.

No they didnt.

Frank Grimes

Pumpkinseeds wrote: »

Reasoning with terrorists works really well doesn't it:cool:

And mass murder is a logical alternative?

SpaceTime

We should all have a terror app on our mobile so that we can photograph and send GPS data about suspicious objects or persons...

Pumpkinseeds

Frank Grimes wrote: »

And mass murder is a logical alternative?

I'd call it a realistic response to terrorism. Sanctions have achieved nothing over the years. Terrorists have no fear and the Sanctions imposed on Dictators have solved nothing. Imposing Sanctions on dictators hurts only the civilian population. Europe and America have been impotent on Ethnic cleansing and terrorism.

Responses have been based on economic factors and countries trying to maintain their business interests in affected countries. There is no fear of reprisal because it's obvious that there is no stomach or economic will in Europe or America to take action. If IS or there ilk take control of the oil reserves there will be a massive impact on the West and military action of some sort will have to happen. Sending troops into desert areas proved a huge mistake. Airstrikes are a more practical and effective response.

fr336

Madam wrote: »

They won't try anything this side of the country after the last time 'terrorists' tried their stuff in Glasgow - wee Glasgow men are way tougher than any of them;)

"We'll set about ye!"

Frank Grimes

Pumpkinseeds wrote: »

I'd call it a realistic response to terrorism.

Hardly.

Sanctions have achieved nothing over the years. Terrorists have no fear and the Sanctions imposed on Dictators have solved nothing. Imposing Sanctions on dictators hurts only the civilian population. Europe and America have been impotent on Ethnic cleansing and terrorism.

Yet you advocate killing them indiscriminately.

The Th!ng

SpaceTime wrote: »

We should all have a terror app on our mobile so that we can photograph and send GPS data about suspicious objects or persons...

What I'd love to have on my phone is an app that would enable you to kill 50 million people at the push of a button. Imagine the reviews for it in the Play store.

Nodin

Pumpkinseeds wrote: »

I'd call it a realistic response to terrorism. ............

Genocide!!!!!!!!!!!

This is the best thing since regular beatings to boost morale!

WoollyRedHat

Bombing the **** out of country and killing indiscriminately will just ensure that you have a fresh batch of radicals/ ****ed up people in the future. The world is so ****ed up, somebody needs to hit the reset button and allow civilization to start over.

tayto lover

WoollyRedHat wrote: »

Bombing the **** out of country and killing indiscriminately will just ensure that you have a fresh batch of radicals/ ****ed up people in the future. The world is so ****ed up, somebody needs to hit the reset button and allow civilization to start over.

Agreed. Just like Gaza. A new batch born every day with hatred in their minds because of how they have been treated.

Fratton Fred

I say we kill them with kindness. We could send over copious amounts of Guinness and superquinn sausages as a gesture of goodwill.

tayto lover

Fratton Fred wrote: »

I say we kill them with kindness. We could send over copious amounts of Guinness and superquinn sausages as a gesture of goodwill.

Beef sausages though.

ScumLord

GerB40 wrote: »

All non Muslims are called kuffar. Kuffar translates roughly as "enemy of islam" so unless you're a Muslim ISIS want you dead. Nationality is irrelevant to fundamentalists..

Christians consider all non christians to be heretics, and while the don't torture and kill people anymore they live with the smug satisfaction that god will torture non believers for all eternity after they die.

The_Valeyard

ScumLord wrote: »

Christians consider all non christians to be heretics, and while the don't torture and kill people anymore they live with the smug satisfaction that god will torture non believers for all eternity after they die.

Calling pure BS on that one.

Nodin

tayto lover wrote: »

Beef sausages though.

Look, nobody knows whats in the things anyway.

donegal__road

WILL NEVER LOG OFF wrote: »

reminds me of the tommy tiernan line about the british: the people who invaded 20% of the planet, and then got upset when people follow them home"

And as more and more people from the former French colonial empire arrive to settle in France, Le Pen gains more followers.

twinytwo

cletus van damme wrote: »

US and UK will get dragged into another conflict (s) with IS and in Ukraine, Russian too.

Chinese just sitting back wishing they ate popcorn.

Unfortunately neither America or the uk can afford another war. Iraq and Afghanistan, coupled with the economic collapse nearly bankrupted them both. Just look how the us national debt spun out of control since 03?? The only thing keeping them afloat is a continually raising debt ceiling and the fact that out countries still consider American bonds to have value.

This is why Russia can do what it wants in the Ukraine, because putin knows they west is not in any real economic position to stop him.

The us or the uk are NOT going to put men on the ground again, aerial bombardment can only do so much.

RobYourBuilder

There are more British Muslims in the ISIS than in the British army. It's only a matter of time before they return home and strike.

conorh91

ScumLord wrote: »

Christians consider all non christians to be heretics

I don't actually think that's true.

For example, as far as i remember from Catholic catechism, doubting the Catholic faith, even despite warnings, may not be heresy.

And yes, there are other Christian faiths, I have no idea what they say about heresy. I'd assume a minority of them call non-Christians heretics.

I don't think we should necessarily skirt around the fact that much of Islam is misogynistic, authoritarian BS that would have made John Charles McQuaid proud.

When people respond to criticism of Islam by criticizing Christianity, I don't know whether to laugh or be confused.

If Christianity is bad, and it often is, take a look at Islam. It's fcuking nuts.

RobYourBuilder

RobYourBuilder wrote: »

There are more British Muslims in the ISIS than in the British army. It's only a matter of time before they return home and strike.

It's not the ones who have gone to fight with the ISIS that the UK government are worried about, it's the ones who have stayed behind!

Many of them are too young to have yet been picked up on the "radar" and could easily strike at anything or any one at any time.

A "lone Wolf" type of mass stabbing in a shopping centre is the type of attack that these people are likely to carry out.

fr336

Deleted User wrote: »

It's not the ones who have gone to fight with the ISIS that the UK government are worried about, it's the ones who have stayed behind!

Many of them are too young to have yet been picked up on the "radar" and could easily strike at anything or any one at any time.

A "lone Wolf" type of mass stabbing in a shopping centre is the type of attack that these people are likely to carry out.

This sort of thing has worried me for a long time, living in the UK and in London relatively often. Think Mumbai style attacks.

As for Ireland you may be non Muslim but I think you are very low down on their radar! Plus what these guys crave more than anything whatever they say and tell themselves is ATTENTION - an attack in Ireland would shock but it's not a strategic goal for them like the US and UK. Sad, mad world...for attention.

RobYourBuilder

Deleted User wrote: »

It's not the ones who have gone to fight with the ISIS that the UK government are worried about, it's the ones who have stayed behind!

Many of them are too young to have yet been picked up on the "radar" and could easily strike at anything or any one at any time.

A "lone Wolf" type of mass stabbing in a shopping centre is the type of attack that these people are likely to carry out.

According to the UK's Home Office, 500 people associated with Britain have joined IS, and roughly half have returned to the UK.

realweirdo

RobYourBuilder wrote: »

According to the UK's Home Office, 500 people associated with Britain have joined IS, and roughly half have returned to the UK.

True, but the majority who have returned are not hardcore and probably became disallusioned by what they saw.

I think the risk of returning jihadists is overblown. Many who went out there did so with good motives, to fight against Assad who was barrel bombing his own people.

Many might have taken a few months off work and had to return for financial reasons such as paying a mortgage or support a family.

RobYourBuilder

RobYourBuilder wrote: »

According to the UK's Home Office, 500 people associated with Britain have joined IS, and roughly half have returned to the UK.

I wasn't aware that so many had returned, hopefully some would have realised that the reality is quite different from the dream.

The ones who are still on a mission would a real danger though, but as they're known, their scope for action is likely to be limited.

It's the unknown ones who will present the greatest risk of initiating an attack.

Edit: personally I would have revoked their passports and sent them back "home" they clearly don't see the UK as their home.

RobYourBuilder

realweirdo wrote: »

True, but the majority who have returned are not hardcore and probably became disallusioned by what they saw.

Dude, they were in the ISIS. A group so extreme even Bin Laden thought they were barbaric. You can't get much more hardcore.

fr336

RobYourBuilder wrote: »

Dude, they were in the ISIS. A group so extreme even Bin Laden thought they were barbaric. You can't get much more hardcore.

I dunno, Ron Jeremy makes me pretty sick.

conorh91

realweirdo wrote: »

True, but the majority who have returned are not hardcore and probably became disallusioned by what they saw.

I think the risk of returning jihadists is overblown. Many who went out there did so with good motives, to fight against Assad who was barrel bombing his own people.

Many might have taken a few months off work and had to return for financial reasons such as paying a mortgage or support a family.

Dr Tom Clonan was all over the media this week, making some very intelligent points about the effects of war, and the effects of witnessing bloodshed on a large scale.

As common sense would tend to dictate, he didn't mention pacifism as one of the side-effects.

People who go to war become accustomed to brutal loss of life. That was the whole point about sending the Black and Tans to Ireland.

I don't doubt that some pacifists return from wars.

But to imply that many, or "the majority" of them do... well that's unlikely to be accepted.

RobYourBuilder

Deleted User wrote: »

The ones who are still on a mission would a real danger though, but as they're known, their scope for action is likely to be limited.

Just because they are home doesn't mean that their mission has ended. Perhaps it's just starting.

fr336

RobYourBuilder wrote: »

Just because they are home doesn't mean that their mission has ended. Perhaps it's just starting.

LOCK UP YOUR DOORS THE BIG BAD WOLF IS COMING TO GET YOU

America will save you.

RobYourBuilder

RobYourBuilder wrote: »

Just because they are home doesn't mean that their mission has ended. Perhaps it's just starting.

What I mean is that they're "marked" and could be under surveillance so in that respect their scope for action is limited.

realweirdo

RobYourBuilder wrote: »

Dude, they were in the ISIS. A group so extreme even Bin Laden thought they were barbaric. You can't get much more hardcore.

The Nazis were extreme, certainly the leadership. Many of the ordinary soldiers however weren't. The same with ISIS. Many fighting with them are paid locals who fight for ISIS because they pay well. Many were forced to fight for them. And I have no doubt many who came home thought ISIS were nutters. As well as that, not all 500 went out joined ISIS I would say, unless thats what the report says. There are hundreds of rebel groups out there ranging from extremes like ISIS to secular leaning groups.

Unfortunately if you aren't chopping heads off in the name of religion you get ignored by people in the west, who only want to read and hear about ISIS.

realweirdo

fr336 wrote: »

LOCK UP YOUR DOORS THE BIG BAD WOLF IS COMING TO GET YOU

America will save you.

Well Ireland certainly won't save you!