Liverpool FC Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2014 - Mod Note in OP, 1/09

sword1

Any reason why kess dissappear ed, sorry if it has been covered and I missed it, I have not been following every day

toxicity234

4 years ago we were on one day away from administration. Sitting in 7 in the league and in big trouble.

Now were upset about having the Champion of Europe beat us and sitting 5 in the league.

Its October. We have a lot of new players still finding there feet in the club and we missing 60 goals from last season.
We're still have a great chance to go through in the Champion league.

Every club have disappointing run of results and performance But its October not April. Balotelli and all the rest of the new players need time.

K-9

We all knew Mario was a huge risk. I'd be more worried about his attitude and off field stuff affecting team morale, which probably isn't too high at the moment. Suarez could moan but it was for the good of the team, with Mario it seems to be him being a prima donna.

Charlie19

sword1 wrote: »

Any reason why kess dissappear ed, sorry if it has been covered and I missed it, I have not been following every day

Worst fan ever:)

I dont tbh, I've noticed a few missing of late.

I just assumed they were banned.


God help us all, if we not get a win against Hull. Can only imagine what this and the humor thread will be like.

googled eyes

toxicity234 wrote: »

4 years ago we were on one day away from administration. Sitting in 7 in the league and in big trouble.

Now were upset about having the Champion of Europe beat us and sitting 5 in the league.

Its October. We have a lot of new players still finding there feet in the club and we missing 60 goals from last season.
We're still have a great chance to go through in the Champion league.

Every club have disappointing run of results and performance But its October not April. Balotelli and all the rest of the new players need time.

I shall call you Optimism Guy

8-10

SlickRic wrote: »

he was good before he arrived at Southampton. in fact, this is the first season where he looks dodgy.

same problem as Lovren. he was universally good before he arrived.

Say that to Lyon fans! This is not the first season where he looks dodgy if you don't just take an EPL-biased view. Lyon wasn't exactly smooth sailing

jasonb

Charlie19 wrote: »

God help us all, if we not get a win against Hull. Can only imagine what this and the humor thread will be like.

This is the Hull team that Arsenal needed an injury time goal to get a draw against at the Emirates last weekend, I'd be very concerned that they'll beat us. But you're right, the Internet will be a place to avoid for a few days if they do...

J.

Pilsbury Doughboy

toxicity234 wrote: »

4 years ago we were on one day away from administration. Sitting in 7 in the league and in big trouble.

Now were upset about having the Champion of Europe beat us and sitting 5 in the league.

Its October. We have a lot of new players still finding there feet in the club and we missing 60 goals from last season.
We're still have a great chance to go through in the Champion league.

Every club have disappointing run of results and performance But its October not April. Balotelli and all the rest of the new players need time.

Only a few months on from our best league season in donkeys years and already the knives are being sharpened for our clueless, arrogant, smug, ego maniac of a manager, I suppose it's better than the chancer, used car salesman,Brent jibes, people can critique the tactics and everything else but a few are questioning his character and getting personal, it's so obvious that people who had egg splattered all over their face last season will be the ones to start turning on a whim.

Bandana boy

Pilsbury Doughboy wrote: »

Only a few months on from our best league season in donkeys years and already the knives are being sharpened for our clueless, arrogant, smug, ego maniac of a manager, I suppose it's better than the chancer, used car salesman,Brent jibes, people can critique the tactics and everything else but a few are questioning his character and getting personal, it's so obvious that people who had egg splattered all over their face last season will be the ones to start turning on a whim.

Not Sure that is fair ,I think in the main the criticism has been aimed at the continued failure to address a glaring problem.

Our problems are imo
1.New signings not performing at required levels/not right type of signings
2.New Teammates taking too long to gel
3.Defence is all over the place (one of the worst performing in the league)

It is worth noting that nobody worth paying attention too has got the knives out on points 1 and 2 or thinks they are reason enough to sack BRod . I know I am willing to give him time to address this.

Point 3 though cost us a league last year and has gotten worse over the summer. In reality failure to address this is a fundamental flaw in the Managers character and if he does not fix we will never win anything. If he does not address soon I will question if he is the man to take us where we want to go.

Muahahaha

Thats worrying to read that Rogers said we don't need a defensive coach. I think it was Einstein who said that the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again yet expecting different results.

Sometimes you need a fresh face and new perspective and given that our defensive problems have been ongoing since last season now would seem the time. I just hope Rogers isn't blinded to the need but he appears to be which is a bit worrying because so far he and the coaching team around him haven't come up with the answers and right now they look further away from that position than ever.

The Mig

Kolo looking for a start :pac:

Dont be at yourself

We don't need a defensive coach. Srtel, Lovren, Sakho, Johnson, Moreno all know how to defend, but they're at sixes-and-sevens because Mignolet doesn't impose himself in the area.

Gbear

Dont be at yourself wrote: »

We don't need a defensive coach. Srtel, Lovren, Sakho, Johnson, Moreno all know how to defend, but they're at sixes-and-sevens because Mignolet doesn't impose himself in the area.

I think that's too simple an answer.

It's probably lots of little things acting together - you can handle one or two of having a DM with no legs, full backs who attack too aggressively, an attack that constantly loses the ball and never makes use of possession, a dodgy keeper, 3 new defenders in the starting 11 but not all of them simultaneously.

RED L4 0TH

LFC TV to cost £7 a month when it relaunches on November 4th. Don't know what the cost will be in RoI.

http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/lfctv-cost-fans-7-per-7991731

Dont be at yourself

Gbear wrote: »

I think that's too simple an answer.

It's probably lots of little things acting together - you can handle one or two of having a DM with no legs, full backs who attack too aggressively, an attack that constantly loses the ball and never makes use of possession, a dodgy keeper, 3 new defenders in the starting 11 but not all of them simultaneously.

I think that "a defensive coach" is too simple an answer.

The more difficult one is admitting that the Mignolet signing was wrong. While his save stats were fantastic, he doesn't have the right profile to play in an attack-minded team like Liverpool.

A dominant, sweeping keeper would solve a lot of our problems: by taking charge of his penalty box, it allows us to play higher, our full backs to get forward, and our centre backs to be aggressive. Those points aren't flaws -- they're by design.

The team as a whole, let alone the back four, is not built to defend on our 6-yard box; but that's exactly what's happening, because Mignolet can't be trusted to attack a ball in the box.

Gbear

Dont be at yourself wrote: »

I think that "a defensive coach" is too simple an answer.

The more difficult one is admitting that the Mignolet signing was wrong. While his save stats were fantastic, he doesn't have the right profile to play in an attack-minded team like Liverpool.

A dominant, sweeping keeper would solve a lot of our problems: by taking charge of his penalty box, it allows us to play higher, our full backs to get forward, and our centre backs to be aggressive. Those points aren't flaws -- they're by design.

The team as a whole, let alone the back four, is not built to defend on our 6-yard box; but that's exactly what's happening, because Mignolet can't be trusted to attack a ball in the box.

Well we needed two keepers. Reina needed to be replaced.

Most teams in the league don't have a sub keeper as good as Mig.

A bit too much to spend but **** happens. He did play a positive role in our form for most of last season.

On the sweeper keeper thing, one like Valdes might help with playing a high line and improving distribution but he'd be no more commanding at set pieces or when we are forced to sit deep than Mignolet.

It's hard to argue which attribute would be more important to a prospective keeper - we're conceding a lot of goals from set pieces and stupid mistakes when under a modicum of pressure in our own box so ideally they'd have both.

Nerdlingr

Gbear wrote: »

Most teams in the league don't have a sub keeper as good as Mig.

Yeah, he'd be grand as a sub keeper.

rob316

Dont be at yourself wrote: »

We don't need a defensive coach. Srtel, Lovren, Sakho, Johnson, Moreno all know how to defend, but they're at sixes-and-sevens because Mignolet doesn't impose himself in the area.

Midfielders aren't covering the space the full backs are leaving behind so the centre backs are getting dragged out wide.

Rodgers is all about goals and passing, he doesn't care for the defensive side IMO, we were lucky last year and who knows with Sturridge not injured we might have continued to get away with it.

MD1990

Going by the Bib theory this is the team tomorow

Harry Palmr

Gbear wrote: »

I think that's too simple an answer.

It's probably lots of little things acting together - you can handle one or two of having a DM with no legs, full backs who attack too aggressively, an attack that constantly loses the ball and never makes use of possession, a dodgy keeper, 3 new defenders in the starting 11 but not all of them simultaneously.

That's about the sum of it. I also reckon Rodgers thinks (or at least is praying) that the return of Sturridge will somehow fix this. It'll help as playing two up will always means better ball retention higher up the field but that wont fix the defence or Gerrards age.

googled eyes

Dont worry lads they're practising defending set pieces





I think I feel worse now

Augmerson

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v--IqqusnNQ

(A ditty dedicated to our crisis)

Has B Rod let us down?
Have we shown too much of the ball?
When we lost 3-0 to Real Madrid?
Were we really asking for it?

And our defence is woeful!
And Super Mario is awful!
Will we regain our CL place?
Or end up like Spurs in 5th!

Fans fighting in the forums!
Oh man! Look at Toure go
It's the freakiest show

Take a look at Moreno
Bombing Forward
Oh man! Wonder if he'll ever grow
Into the best fullback in the league
Is there life on Anfield rooooooad?

whatawaster

rob316 wrote: »

Midfielders aren't covering the space the full backs are leaving behind so the centre backs are getting dragged out wide.

Rodgers is all about goals and passing, he doesn't care for the defensive side IMO, we were lucky last year and who knows with Sturridge not injured we might have continued to get away with it.

Not sure "getting away with it" is a fair way to put it.

It wasn't luck that was winning us those games. Football is about scoring more than you concede, and a 5-3 win is just as valid and no more lucky than a 2-0 win.

People need to bear in mind that at this stage last season we had only really played well once or twice, were not playing with any great fluidity and were struggling to last 90 minutes pace.

Now the difference is we had Suarez last year so nearly won the league. We obviously won't do that again, but no reason why we can't push on and finish 4th.

Kerrigooney

Augmerson wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v--IqqusnNQ

(A ditty dedicated to our crisis)

Has B Rod let us down?
Have we shown too much of the ball?
When we lost 3-0 to Real Madrid?
Were we really asking for it?

And our defence is woeful!
And Super Mario is awful!
Will we regain our CL place?
Or end up like Spurs in 5th!

Fans fighting in the forums!
Oh man! Look at Toure go
It's the freakiest show

Take a look at Moreno
Bombing Forward
Oh man! Wonder if he'll ever grow
Into the best fullback in the league
Is there life on Anfield rooooooad?

Dude,you've got too much time on your hands...get a hobby.

Not songwriting

MD1990

Team v Hull ...Mignolet Manquillo Lovren Skrtle Moreno Lallan Gerrard Hendo Couthino Sterling Borini #lfc

according to Peter Phillips who is reliable & had the Real team a day before too.
Great chance for Borini.

Augmerson

Kerrigooney wrote: »

Dude,you've got too much time on your hands...get a hobby.

Not songwriting

No friends. Internet only outlet. Me IRL:

noodler

MD1990 wrote: »

Team v Hull ...Mignolet Manquillo Lovren Skrtle Moreno Lallan Gerrard Hendo Couthino Sterling Borini #lfc

according to Peter Phillips who is reliable & had the Real team a day before too.
Great chance for Borini.

Its overdue if true.

Still don't get the Lambert hate to be honest.

Feel he has been more effective than Mario in his few appearances.

NEDDURC

I think Borini deserves a few games to see what he can do. Balotelli might be an interesting option off the bench for a while. Would be a bonus if he grabbed a few goals that way to get confidence up.

OwaynOTT

MD1990 wrote: »

Going by the Bib theory this is the team tomorow

It worries me greatly that they are fcuking smiling after the shoite they have served up so far.
Even more worrying for me, Henderson smiles from the neck and no the cheeks.*
That coupled with his running issues means he is doomed to explode sooner related than later.




*edit: just noticed Hendo ain't in there. No Hendo no party.

jebidiah

Pyjamarama wrote: »

It's the manner of the posts that's irking some. Completely writing off Rodgers and this team on the basis of a poor start as opposed to looking at the bigger picture...

If performances improved but we missed out on top four would you want Rodgers to stay or go?!?

I think the performances improving beyond the current state of affairs should be a given. As in improving from here should not be seen as improving. If he gets us back to the level of last season, that is the bare minimum he has to achieve for me.

Missing out on the top 4 would be a blow. But if displays the ability to get a better level of performance out of the team with out Suarez. That to me will prove he is the right man.

NEDDURC

I was also thinking that if we used a 5 man mid then Suso should get some game time as he's proven good at popping up with goals.

Dont be at yourself

rob316 wrote: »

Midfielders aren't covering the space the full backs are leaving behind so the centre backs are getting dragged out wide.

That's exactly how a lot of attacking teams play, like Barca and Bayern: full backs push up, centre backs split and the deep-lying midfielder drops into defence to form a 3-man defence. His responsibility is not to cover the full-backs going forward. That falls apart when the centre backs are afraid of leaving space behind them due to a keeper stuck to his line.

Agent Coulson

I think B & B deserve a start together up front.

I think the would suit each others style to be honest Borini can run the lines and Balotelli can drop deep and take defenders with him opening space for Borini.

Super-Rush

noodler wrote: »

Its overdue if true.

Still don't get the Lambert hate to be honest.

Feel he has been more effective than Mario in his few appearances.

Tell us how he has been more effective.

Kerrigooney

Augmerson wrote: »

No friends. Internet only outlet. Me IRL:

I feel bad now. Sorry.

Harry Palmr

Here's a game the seniors should watch to show what application of effort looks like

Liverpool v Real Madrid U19s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uSbXsgMwNZI

noodler

Super-Rush wrote: »

Tell us how he has been more effective.

Forced the goal at home Vs Southampton for Sturridge.

All but scored the goal against City.

Gbear

noodler wrote: »

Forced the goal at home Vs Southampton for Sturridge.

All but scored the goal against City.

But he's looked miles off the pace when he's played from the start.

He's a sub or a warm body for games we don't care about. That's it.

klose

Is the league cup game next week?

dogbert27

Gbear wrote: »

He's a sub or a warm body for games we don't care about. That's it.

But that's the reason he was bought.

Then Sturridge got injured, we got stuck with Borini and ended up with Balotelli.

Pyjamarama

jebidiah wrote: »

I think the performances improving beyond the current state of affairs should be a given. As in improving from here should not be seen as improving. If he gets us back to the level of last season, that is the bare minimum he has to achieve for me.

Missing out on the top 4 would be a blow. But if displays the ability to get a better level of performance out of the team with out Suarez. That to me will prove he is the right man.

How on earth could he get us back to that level and miss top 4?!? Couldn't happen.

Also expecting the same level of performance when you take the 3rd best player in the world out of a team is ludicrous...

Augmerson

klose wrote: »

Is the league cup game next week?

Yeah it's Tuesday, then Newcastle on Saturday and then it's CL the next week against Real on Tuesday.

5live

Dont be at yourself wrote: »

That's exactly how a lot of attacking teams play, like Barca and Bayern: full backs push up, centre backs split and the deep-lying midfielder drops into defence to form a 3-man defence. His responsibility is not to cover the full-backs going forward. That falls apart when the centre backs are afraid of leaving space behind them due to a keeper stuck to his line.

Gerrards responsibility is to slow play down through the middle to allow others to get back and setup to defend, or cover whichever CB goes wide. Both CBs look exposed out wide, Skrtel looks positively agoraphobic out wide.

MD1990 wrote: »

Team v Hull ...Mignolet Manquillo Lovren Skrtle Moreno Lallan Gerrard Hendo Couthino Sterling Borini #lfc

according to Peter Phillips who is reliable & had the Real team a day before too.
Great chance for Borini.

Why would Borini start on saturday when he wasn't even deemed good enough to be on the bench on wednesday?

Saying that, i would have no problem starting him as we could do with having 11 players on the pitch for the start of the match for a change:).

jasonb

klose wrote: »

Is the league cup game next week?

Yep, I'm going over for it, my first game in 4 years. Have no idea what team to expect, or what type of performance to expect, but looking forward to it anyhow. At least it won't be a draw...

J.

wcarey1975

jasonb wrote: »

Yep, I'm going over for it, my first game in 4 years. Have no idea what team to expect, or what type of performance to expect, but looking forward to it anyhow. At least it won't be a draw...

J.

Nailed on for a 0-0 draw now

gafferino

Lads.....I got this.

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=92747221#post92747221

Kerrigooney

Mario taking a shit on a tiny,defenceless goal in training today. What a bastard.

Super-Rush

noodler wrote: »

Forced the goal at home Vs Southampton for Sturridge.

All but scored the goal against City.

He had zero involvement in the goal against Southampton.

rob316

Yesil trained with the first team today, is he ready for a shot in the PL? I would have thought Sinclair was the better talent no?

From what I have seen of Yesil he is quick and a lethal finisher. I would absolutely love to see a striker break into the first team.

BoardsMember

jebidiah wrote: »

I think the performances improving beyond the current state of affairs should be a given. As in improving from here should not be seen as improving. If he gets us back to the level of last season, that is the bare minimum he has to achieve for me.

Missing out on the top 4 would be a blow. But if displays the ability to get a better level of performance out of the team with out Suarez. That to me will prove he is the right man.

You're dreaming. I would say it's more likely that we will never get back to that level, than the likelihood of this manager being able to get us back to that level, regardless of what signings/performance improvements are made. Suarez was an incredible player who was massively influential. We are reverting to our natural level now without him available.