Liverpool FC Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2014 - Mod Note in OP, 1/09

Harry Palmr

Liverpool have won three and drawn one of their last 5 games.

#cornerturned.

Augmerson

Did we look better without Gerrard last night?

rob316

That was what was needed last night, Balotelli, Borini and Lovren showing there worth and digging out a win.

Delighted to see Borini grab his chance last night, I still maintain he hasn't been given a proper run in the side, let him start against Newcastle with Balotelli. Rodgers really has no choice until Sturridge returns, his tired formation all season is only damaging the confidence of the players.

A couple of goals on the bounce from Mario and we will see a different player I'm certain of it. 3 points again Newcastle now is all that matters, we have the quality to go there and win.

Agent Coulson

If we revert back to one up front against Newcastle it will be a joke!!

tok9

It didn't really seem like we played two up front last night.

Borini seemed to be playing on the wing several times from what I could tell.

redzerdrog

Agent Coulson wrote: »

If we revert back to one up front against Newcastle it will be a joke!!

We played 1 up front last night

Agent Coulson

redzerdrog wrote: »

We played 1 up front last night

Borini droped in played of Balotelli when he came on from what I could see on my stream.

Yes he played wide for most of the game but he also knew when to drop into the centre when Lambert dropped deep or moved out wide, That is something none of our wing/forwards have been doing all season.

He gave Lambert & Balotelli to play off they new they could go deep and someone would drop in for them.

Harry Palmr

To a degree it doesn't matter where you think Borini was anchored, the mere fact of a willing runner on the pitch was difference by all accounts last night. You'd have to presume Rodgers started him to give him a chance to impress so hopefully he'll start against Newcastle (obvious Sunderland goal subtext here) with Balo and get his reward.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IjUP4e8wvxE

noodler

Harry Palmr wrote: »

To a degree it doesn't matter where you think Borini was anchored, the mere fact of a willing runner on the pitch was difference by all accounts last night. You'd have to presume Rodgers started him to give him a chance to impress so hopefully he'll start against Newcastle (obvious Sunderland goal subtext here) with Balo and get his reward.

Nail on the head for me.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

redzerdrog wrote: »

We played 1 up front last night

We played two up front for about 15 minutes afer Bolotelli and banged in two goals. That's ore than the last three and a bit games.

D'Agger

Harry Palmr wrote: »

To a degree it doesn't matter where you think Borini was anchored, the mere fact of a willing runner on the pitch was difference by all accounts last night. You'd have to presume Rodgers started him to give him a chance to impress so hopefully he'll start against Newcastle (obvious Sunderland goal subtext here) with Balo and get his reward.

On the point of willing runners - something that I think needs to be mentioned about Marios goal last night:

We worked the ball from the back to get that opportunity, with Henderson bursting a gut to get on the ball and get things moving. We were coming towards the end of the game and he, to me, provided the increase in tempo from the base of midfield.

Where Gerrard will get his head up and play a long ball, Hendo kept his head down, passed moved, passed moved and eventually Borini was in space to whip in a great cross.

Henderson has improved immensely the last two years and I really look forward to seeing how he develops with Gerrard winding down.

shamrock55

I missed the game last night (fell asleep at 7 till 10:D) how did we play overall, were we unlucky to go 1 down?, also how did borini get on did he have any chances, oh and jones how did he play?

Raif Severance

shamrock55 wrote: »

I missed the game last night (fell asleep at 7 till 10:D) how did we play overall, were we unlucky to go 1 down?, also how did borini get on did he have any chances, oh and jones how did he play?

Our Midfield and Defense once again was Asleep for the Goal. Which is a Recurring Theme with Rodgers, so nothing new there.

Jones is basically a Clone of Mignolet. Made some Great Saves, but Dodgy as hell when Kicking or when the Opposition is Crossing.

Borini was the Difference last night. Worked really hard and never stopped running from Minute 1 till the end.

He got 2 Swansea Players in the Book. And he did it, not by Cheap Theatrics but by Grit and Determination and being a General Nuisance in Play.

Which is more than you can say for some of our Forwards.

Borini must at least make the Bench next Game. He's one of our few Forwards (Sterling, Lallana), that is willing to Run against the Opposition's Defense.

This is even more Telling, when you Factor in, that both the available Strikers (Balo, Lambert) we have right now, are too Static to do so. Specially in the Kind of Style we play in.

How this Escapes BR, I do not know.

Not to mention, why the Transfer Committee bought 2 Immobile Strikers that does not Fit our System.

I still maintain that if Borini had gotten the time Markovich was getting, I think our League Position right now, would have been better.

Harry Palmr

Raif Severance wrote: »

Not to mention, why the Transfer Committee bought 2 Immobile Strikers that does not Fit our System.

I still maintain that if Borini had gotten the time Markovich was getting, I think our League Position right now, would have been better.

Just as well Liverpool didn't actually buy Immobile as judged by his Dortmund career so far. :pac:

Gbear

Raif Severance wrote: »

Our Midfield and Defense once again was Asleep for the Goal. Which is a Recurring Theme with Rodgers, so nothing new there.

I think that's harsh.

It took a big deflection and looped up and over behind Lovren.

redzerdrog

Agent Coulson wrote: »

Borini droped in played of Balotelli when he came on from what I could see on my stream.

Yes he played wide for most of the game but he also knew when to drop into the centre when Lambert dropped deep or moved out wide, That is something none of our wing/forwards have been doing all season.

He gave Lambert & Balotelli to play off they new they could go deep and someone would drop in for them.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »

We played two up front for about 15 minutes afer Bolotelli and banged in two goals. That's ore than the last three and a bit games.

From what I saw we played 4-2-3-1 for the majority of the game, even when Balotelli came on (Which was about the 80th minute mark) I didnt particularly notice a change in formation. Also Balotelli's goal came from a cross from Borini when he was hugging the right touchline

Osmosis Jones

Even if we play a 1 striker formation, at least with Borini on the wing he will see the space to attack better than our other attacking midfielders. He'll fill in for Balotelli when he drops deep and give the team another attacking outlet.

sweetie

Harry Palmr wrote:

Just as well Liverpool didn't actually buy Immobile as judged by his Dortmund career so far. 

was it a bad move?

Pilsbury Doughboy

How did that 'Rodgers Out' march go last night? Any boards members take part in it!?!

rob316

Pilsbury Doughboy wrote: »

How did that 'Rodgers Out' march go last night? Any boards members take part in it!?!

He thanked the thousands that turned up at the protest on twitter. I swear there isn't a bigger resource in the world for the uneducated than twitter.

LuckyLloyd

There was a 'Rodgers Out' march?

rob316

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

There was a 'Rodgers Out' march?

Thank you to the thousands who turned up to support our #RodgersOut campaign before kick-off tonight. Together we will achieve this. #YNWA

googled eyes

Pilsbury Doughboy wrote: »

How did that 'Rodgers Out' march go last night? Any boards members take part in it!?!

WTF ?

Raif Severance

Osmosis Jones wrote: »

Even if we play a 1 striker formation, at least with Borini on the wing he will see the space to attack better than our other attacking midfielders. He'll fill in for Balotelli when he drops deep and give the team another attacking outlet.

Yup. We played 4-2-3-1 even when Balo came in.

The Difference is that Borini is actually a Striker that can play on the Wing. Not only is he Versed with Rodger's System, he also possess the instinctive Knowledge to play CF when the need arises.

This is also the Reason, why the Suarez and Sturridge Partnership was so Effective.

And this is also the Reason why our Offense this Season has gone to the Dogs.

When Lambert and Balo drops deep, there's no one there to Act as an Anchor, thereby Stalling our Attack, and making us very easy to Defend.

NukaCola

Raif Severance wrote: »

I still maintain that if Borini had gotten the time Markovich was getting, I think our League Position right now, would have been better.

Markovic has made 4 league appearances. A combined 190 mins. Borini has made 2 league appearances with 94 mins combined.

Borini would make our league form better with an extra 2 appearances and 100 mins? He played well last night but lets not go crazy.

Tangatagamadda Chaddabinga Bonga Bungo

googled eyes wrote: »

WTF ?

It's obviously being done by a United or Everton fan as a wind up.

It seems to be working. :pac:

Raif Severance

NukaCola wrote: »

Markovic has made 4 league appearances. A combined 190 mins. Borini has made 2 league appearances with 94 mins combined.

Borini would make our league form better with an extra 2 appearances and 100 mins? He played well last night but lets not go crazy.

Maybe.

But Borini has only played for us in the Cups.

Not to mention, Markovic has not Contributed anything of Note.

So for me, we could play anyone rather than him and it will still be an Improvement.

Pilsbury Doughboy

Tangatagamadda Chaddabinga Bonga Bungo wrote: »

It's obviously being done by a United or Everton fan as a wind up.

It seems to be working. :pac:

The sad thing is it's probably not.

NukaCola

Raif Severance wrote: »

Maybe.

But Borini has only played for us in the Cups.

Not to mention, Markovic has not Contributed anything of Note.

So for me, we could play anyone

Read my post again.

Markovic 190 mis in the League
Borini 90 mins in the league.

If you said "If Borini got the game time Mario got our league form would be better" you may have a point.

Markovic has gotten little game time in the league also. Maybe your just so desperate to slate a young player in a new team and new league that your starting to post nonsense.

Pilsbury Doughboy

NukaCola wrote: »

Read my post again.

Markovic 190 mis in the League
Borini 90 mins in the league.

If you said "If Borini got the game time Mario got our league form would be better" you may have a point.

Markovic has gotten little game time in the league also. Maybe your just so desperate to slate a young player in a new team and new league that your starting to post nonsense.

That's a bit ott surely.

NukaCola

Pilsbury Doughboy wrote: »

That's a bit ott surely.

Sounds like nonsense to me. If Borini got 100 more minutes in the league our league form would be better is his point.

dogbert27

rob316 wrote: »

Thank you to the thousands who turned up to support our #RodgersOut campaign before kick-off tonight. Together we will achieve this. #YNWA

Raif Severance

NukaCola wrote: »

Read my post again.

Markovic 190 mis in the League
Borini 90 mins in the league.

If you said "If Borini got the game time Mario got our league form would be better" you may have a point.

Markovic has gotten little game time in the league also. Maybe your just so desperate to slate a young player in a new team and new league that your starting to post nonsense.

Nope.

I've seen Markovic before he played for us, so I know what he can do.

To say I'm Disappointed with him, would be an Understatement.

It's like he lost his Balls somewhere in Transit, when he went to Liverpool from Benfica.

The Markovic there, Runs at Defenders all day long. Counterattacks even without Support.

Now? He's playing more Negative than Downing, and I never thought that was even Possible.

brevity

Raif Severance wrote: »

Nope.

I've seen Markovic before he played for us, so I know what he can do.

To say I'm Disappointed with him, would be an Understatement.

It's like he lost his Balls somewhere in Transit, when he went to Liverpool from Benfica.

The Markovic there, Runs at Defenders all day long. Counterattacks even without Support.

Now? He's playing more Negative than Downing, and I never thought that was even Possible.

From what I'm reading on twitter, this appears to be the general consensus on Markovic. I wonder would it have been better to leave him on loan with Benfica for a year?

Would have been hard to sell that though.

smileyj1987

Tangatagamadda Chaddabinga Bonga Bungo wrote: »

It's obviously being done by a United or Everton fan as a wind up.

It seems to be working. :pac:

I actually know a few people who want him gone already !

NukaCola

Raif Severance wrote: »

Nope.

I've seen Markovic before he played for us, so I know what he can do.

To say I'm Disappointed with him, would be an Understatement.

It's like he lost his Balls somewhere in Transit, when he went to Liverpool from Benfica.

The Markovic there, Runs at Defenders all day long. Counterattacks even without Support.

Now? He's playing more Negative than Downing, and I never thought that was even Possible.

Apologies good sir, i've read a few posts from you on him and it did seem like you were being overly harsh.

The reality is he is 20, in a new team, new league, new training setup etc etc I would have a lot more patience for him knowing that he has the ability to get better.

Turtyturd

rob316 wrote: »

Thank you to the thousands who turned up to support our #RodgersOut campaign before kick-off tonight. Together we will achieve this. #YNWA

Phase 2, hire plane for flyover.

rob316

Turtyturd wrote: »

Phase 2, hire plane for flyover.

It too busy flying over the Camp Nou - "COME HOME EL PISTELERO"

Kerrigooney

Turtyturd wrote: »

Phase 2, hire plane for flyover.

Nah...only complete idiots would hire a plane to do a flyover...oh wait!

~Rebel~

Raif Severance wrote: »

Nope.

I've seen Markovic before he played for us, so I know what he can do.

To say I'm Disappointed with him, would be an Understatement.

It's like he lost his Balls somewhere in Transit, when he went to Liverpool from Benfica.

The Markovic there, Runs at Defenders all day long. Counterattacks even without Support.

Now? He's playing more Negative than Downing, and I never thought that was even Possible.

brevity wrote: »

From what I'm reading on twitter, this appears to be the general consensus on Markovic. I wonder would it have been better to leave him on loan with Benfica for a year?

Would have been hard to sell that though.

In the way he's been handled right from the get-go, I think it's clear he was bought for the future. Sure,he's expensive, but i'd say the feeling is that another year at Benfica and he'd simply have been unattainable for us.

Just the fact that he was bought for a position where he likely wouldn't have been first choice to begin with backs this up I think.

I'm not terribly worried about him to be honest. Anyone who has moved to a whole new place, alone, at any age (let alone 20!) can likely attest to how big a shock it is. Confidence and self belief take a bit of a hammering, especially when you can't even express yourself in daily life due to language barriers. Give him 6 months and I'd bet he'll look a lot better.

Would love to see him play with the U-21's for a little bit, have him build some confidence just by destroying some kids with his pace, as a reminder to himself of what he can do. Away from the limelight, TV cameras and judgement, it'd be good for him to just enjoy playing football i think.

Before anyone compares him to Sterling again - Sterling would have cost at least twice what Markovic did, likely more. Would we have sold for 40 million last summer? Doubt it.

whatawaster

~Rebel~ wrote: »

In the way he's been handled right from the get-go, I think it's clear he was bought for the future. Sure,he's expensive, but i'd say the feeling is that another year at Benfica and he'd simply have been unattainable for us.

Just the fact that he was bought for a position where he likely wouldn't have been first choice to begin with backs this up I think.

I'm not terribly worried about him to be honest. Anyone who has moved to a whole new place, alone, at any age (let alone 20!) can likely attest to how big a shock it is. Confidence and self belief take a bit of a hammering, especially when you can't even express yourself in daily life due to language barriers. Give him 6 months and I'd bet he'll look a lot better.

Would love to see him play with the U-21's for a little bit, have him build some confidence just by destroying some kids with his pace, as a reminder to himself of what he can do. Away from the limelight, TV cameras and judgement, it'd be good for him to just enjoy playing football i think.

Before anyone compares him to Sterling again - Sterling would have cost at least twice what Markovic did, likely more. Would we have sold for 40 million last summer? Doubt it.

The key thing to remember with Sterling is many would have sold him for 10 million 12 months ago

Kerrigooney

whatawaster wrote: »

The key thing to remember with Sterling is many would have sold him for 10 million 12 months ago

I don't remember many wanting him sold but quite a few wanted him sent out on loan alright.

Boom_Bap

I think that Lazar is concentrating on the other aspects of play that are expected of him that he may have neglected in the past few years. From what I can gauge, he was let off the leash and allowed to all out attack. Now with us he needs to show his defensive side as well, so I think he is holding back a bit so he can get into a defensive position if needed.
I am more than willing to give him til next year to see more of his threat.

Harry Palmr

When did we all become so stupid and impatient?

Damien360

Harry Palmr wrote: »

When did we all become so stupid and impatient?

In and around the start of the season......when we realised the team is going backwards.

Agent Coulson

The thing with Markovic I don't think even at the £20m price he was brought in to go straight into the first team.

lallana's injury probably did help with that If Lallana had been fit at the start of the season he would have been starting ahead of Markovic,Then Markovic could have been used as an impact sub.

magma69

Agent Coulson wrote: »

The thing with Markovic I don't think even at the £20m price he was brought in to go straight into the first team.

lallana's injury probably did help with that If Lallana had been fit at the start of the season he would have been starting ahead of Markovic,Then Markovic could have been used as an impact sub.

This is what I find strange about the Balotelli witch hunt at the moment. Markovic has been worse despite the fact we paid more for him yet he's not getting anywhere near the same amount of grief. Lovren, also, more expensive than Balotelli has been underwhelming to put it mildly.

Liverpool's entire team have been poor, bar Sterling imo. But with all that said, the team is doing a lot better this season than we deserve. Had huge amounts of luck to get results this season and really performances can only get better as the new team gels. I can see things falling into place after Xmas and Liverpool really kicking on as the new players tactically get to know their roles in the team.

Gbear

Harry Palmr wrote: »

When did we all become so stupid and impatient?

Birth, I suspect.

gafferino

Lads does anyone know a website I can watch matches on the iPad? Pm me if you know (not sure if I'm allowed ask this).

Hangballlouie

gafferino wrote: »

Lads does anyone know a website I can watch matches on the iPad? Pm me if you know (not sure if I'm allowed ask this).

There is an app called 'live media player' that I got from the App Store, that I use to watch whatever live stuff I can't access on TV. It works great tbh.