Liverpool FC Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2014 - Mod Note in OP, 1/09

Raif Severance

I don't get the Welbeck Deal. Unlike most here, I actually Rate him.

I think this one will come back to bite Man U.

5starpool

Vicxas wrote: »

So its 11, whats the deal with the Falcao to UTD now?

From the Guardian.

Clubs sometimes conclude deals at the last minute and it is not always easy for them to get everything completed and sent over by 11pm. The deal sheet allows a club to confirm that a deal has been reached in order to allow for additional time to submit the remaining documentation.

The sheet cannot be used prior to 9pm and needs to arrive fully completed before the transfer window closes. Once the sheet arrives, clubs have got until 1am in which to submit the full paperwork. But if a club are looking to complete an international transfer, it still has to comply with the FIFA Transfer Matching System (TMS) deadline of midnight.

So that suggests Manchester United have until midnight UK time (about 45 minutes) while Arsenal have until 1am UK time.

Cyrus

Manutd_4life wrote: »

LOL

Indeed

Overpaying double for a left winger that doesn't fit your formation, buying two left backs for new centre backs and paying 20m + in wages in fees to loan a cf you don't need and who wants to be at Madrid is something to gloat about :cool:

LuckyLloyd

Falcao will be done, this stuff happens all the time.

Knex*

Manutd_4life wrote: »

LOL

Here's a ridiculous gif that I once found, as a sort of thank you present for your ridiculous post.

mosstin

Gringo180 wrote: »

Sturridge only scored 30 goals in 134 apps before he went to Liverpool. Welbeck is a fantastic bit of business.

I doubt even Jim White would stretch to calling it a "fantastic" bit of business.

niallo27

Raif Severance wrote: »

I don't get the Welbeck Deal. Unlike most here, I actually Rate him.

I think this one will come back to bite Man U.

He is a striker that doesn't score goals. I know there is more to his game but arsenal are crying out for a natural goalscorer.

Slattsy

There's nothing ridiculous about that gif, its an awesome gif, those cute doggyy woggies.

whatawaster

Manutd_4life wrote: »

LOL

2 points from as easy a start as you could hope for.

LOL.

djPSB

gafferino wrote: »

Negredo gone to Valencia

Would we have been interested if we hadn't already signed Balo?

Chucky the tree

Shame United didn't sign these attacking options earlier in the summer. They've have only lost 4-1 to MK Dons then.

Knex*

Slattsy wrote: »

There's nothing ridiculous about that gif, its an awesome gif, those cute doggyy woggies.

The photobomb at the end gets me every time.

Raif Severance

niallo27 wrote: »

He is a striker that doesn't score goals. I know there is more to his game but arsenal are crying out for a natural goalscorer.

He maybe a Striker, but he's rarely been played as one.

I made a Post awhile back, comparing him to Sturridge, though I'm too lazy to Find it now.

But the Gist of it, is that I think Welbeck has the same Tools as Danny has, except he doesn't have a Manager that makes the Best use of it.

Danny is Fortunate that he has BR, a Manager that has Faith in him. Rather than Shunt him wide to accomodate Suarez, he played them both as Co-Strikers with equal billing.

Welbeck isn't as Fortunate. He always plays 2nd Fiddle to either Rooney and/or RVP out Wide.

We'll see, but I think he'll Flourish in Arsenal.

Utopia Parkway

Raif Severance wrote: »

He maybe a Striker, but he's rarely been played as one.

I made a Post awhile back, comparing him to Sturridge, though I'm too lazy to Find it now.

But the Gist of it, is that I think Welbeck has the same Tools as Danny has, except he doesn't have a Manager that makes the Best use of it.

Danny is Fortunate that he has BR, a Manager that has Faith in him. Rather than Shunt him wide to accomodate Suarez, he played them both as Co-Strikers with equal billing.

Welbeck isn't as Fortunate. He always plays 2nd Fiddle to either Rooney and/or RVP out Wide.

We'll see, but I think he'll Flourish in Arsenal.

Sturridge was always a good finisher though even before he came to Liverpool (when he was given the chance).

I don't think Welbeck is a good finisher even on the odd occasion when he's had his chances up front.

Fizman

Alderweireld is a Southampton player!?

niallo27

Utopia Parkway wrote: »

Sturridge was always a good finisher though even before he came to Liverpool (when he was given the chance).

I don't think Welbeck is a good finisher even on the odd occasion when he's had his chances up front.

Ya I agree. Sturridge has a touch of fowler about him he is a natural finisher. Wellbeck doesn't have that in his game.

Vicxas

Fizman wrote: »

Alderweireld is a Southampton player!?

Yep, loan deal for the year.


Good bit of business from Southampton

Raif Severance

Utopia Parkway wrote: »

Sturridge was always a good finisher though even before he came to Liverpool (when he was given the chance).

I don't think Welbeck is a good finisher even on the odd occasion when he's had his chances up front.

We had Fans saying that about Suarez, on his 2nd Season with us, and well look at him now.

Finishing can definitely be Improved.

flanzer

Toby Alderweireld has signed for Southampton on a season loan. Our feeder club testing him in the Premier League for a year before he joins us :pac:

5starpool

I don't think Welbeck will exactly flourish, but I think he will do alright given a run of games in his preferred position which is not something he got at utd really. I hope though that he does as well as the last player (I think) to go to Arsenal from utd, Silvestre.

klose

Very happy with the window bar a keeper coming in cant have asked for much more really, on paper we are set for the present and future bar gerrard really but thats a bridge we will cross when we come to it.

Grayditch

My Levy's got no money,
He's got his Stambouli.

Vicxas

klose wrote: »

Very happy with the window bar a keeper coming in cant have asked for much more really, on paper we are set for the present and future bar gerrard really but thats a bridge we will cross when we come to it.

The Valdes deal can be completed whenever as hes a free agent.

Demosthenese

Welbeck doesn't have the composure in front of goal to be talked about in the same sentence as Sturridge right now. He has the same scoring record of a Shane Long or perhaps a Carlton Cole ... nothing to be worried about. Sure scoring can be improved upon simply with games and the number of chances that can be made for him at Arsenal - but watching the guy at the moment there is little evidence to suggest that he is anything more than a human battering ram type player with limited ability in front of goal. Whatever about Moyes/LVG i'd suggest that Fergie rarely got this type of thing wrong, when you are used as a defencive wideman when your position is centre forward then the writing is on the wall.

One thing for sure is at Arsenal he will get chances and Wenger can play to his strengths ... i wouldn't be too surprised if he had a decent season for them but i'd be shocked if he got anywhere near the type of scoring stats that Sturridge has.

smileyj1987

Danny welbeck 26 games for sunderland and he scored 6 goals . Danny Sturrigde at bolton 12 games played and he scored 8 goals . That says it all to me they would have been played in their preferred positions at a young age and Sturrigde shined for Bolton while welbeck wasn't great at all .

Rayne Wooney

Sturridge before Liverpool and Welbeck have pretty similar goal scoring stats for what it's worth

I think United are tired of waiting though at this stage, he is the same as he was 3 years ago. Needs 10 chances to score 1

If he ends up doing a Sturridge it still doesn't change United being right to sell him on now

Peist2007

Sturridge is better than Welbeck but i still think a run for Welbeck in his preferred position would push him on big time. He has a good touch and can cause problems to even the biggest teams. Scored in the Bernabeau (iirc) and gave Bayern a good run for their money in the Champions League last season. His athleticism and good touch are difficult for even top players to deal with

smileyj1987

Rayne Wooney wrote: »

Sturridge before Liverpool and Welbeck have pretty similar goal scoring stats for what it's worth

I think United are tired of waiting though at this stage, he is the same as he was 3 years ago. Needs 10 chances to score 1

If he ends up doing a Sturridge it still doesn't change United being right to sell him on now

Both went on loan spells and welbecks was a pretty bad one if you ask me . I don't think he is top drawer striker he is medioocre at best and will give you work rate and not too much else .

Speak Now

Actually Welbeck looks like your typical Wenger player, will be decent but not prolific id imagine. Good deal for united pricewise.

Rayne Wooney

smileyj1987 wrote: »

Both went on loan spells and welbecks was a pretty bad one if you ask me . I don't think he is top drawer striker he is medioocre at best and will give you work rate and not too much else .

It doesn't matter really, they both still have similar goal scoring stats regardless of whether you think one had a better loan spell than the other

Welbeck is known for his awful finishing but so was Sturridge before Liverpool too

Hangballlouie

Rayne Wooney wrote: »

It doesn't matter really, they both still have similar goal scoring stats regardless of whether you think one had a better loan spell than the other

Welbeck is known for his awful finishing but so was Sturridge before Liverpool too

Was he? Genuinely I've never heard that criticism. It was usually that he was lazy, uninterested, selfish..

smileyj1987

Rayne Wooney wrote: »

It doesn't matter really, they both still have similar goal scoring stats regardless of whether you think one had a better loan spell than the other

Welbeck is known for his awful finishing but so was Sturridge before Liverpool too

I'm sorry but welbeck is awful compared to Sturrigde they are both Strikers . Welbeck games played 175 goals 37 . Sturrigde has played 192 games and scored 74 goals .

Peist2007

smileyj1987 wrote: »

I'm sorry but welbeck is awful compared to Sturrigde they are both Strikers . Welbeck games played 175 goals 37 . Sturrigde has played 192 games and scored 74 goals .

You're not being fair with that comparison though. How many of those 175 games was Welbeck playing on the right or left wing? I agree Sturridge is better. I really rate Sturridge. But i think Welbeck is a lot better than he is given credit for.

Rayne Wooney

smileyj1987 wrote: »

I'm sorry but welbeck is awful compared to Sturrigde they are both Strikers . Welbeck games played 175 goals 37 . Sturrigde has played 192 games and scored 74 goals .

See now you realise you are wrong and are moving the goal posts

As I said, pre Liverpool Sturridge and Welbeck have similar goal scoring stats, both were criticised about their finishing, it's complete double standards of you to say that Welbeck can't do what Sturridge has despite the situations being almost the exact same.

I'm no fan of Welbeck but it would be stupid of me to rule out him improving his finishing and becoming a good striker

smileyj1987

Peist2007 wrote: »

You're not being fair with that comparison though. How many of those 175 games was Welbeck playing on the right or left wing? I agree Sturridge is better. I really rate Sturridge. But i think Welbeck is a lot better than he is given credit for.

He is greater worker and the likes but he isn't going to be a top striker . He isn't in the same league as sturrigde . I'm sorry if people think I'm being harsh but its my view on them as players .

Soups123

smileyj1987 wrote: »

He is greater worker and the likes but he isn't going to be a top striker . He isn't in the same league as sturrigde . I'm sorry if people think I'm being harsh but its my view on them as players .

Would you have had the same opinion at the time Sturridge was signed?

smileyj1987

Soups123 wrote: »

Would you have had the same opinion at the time Sturridge was signed?

I wasn't overly impressed with sturrigde when he signed . I thought a goal scorer but he was greedy and selfish . That was his main flaw in my eyes before he was signed . But if I was given the choice welbeck or sturrigde at the time I would have said sturrigde hands down .

Soups123

smileyj1987 wrote: »

I wasn't overly impressed with sturrigde when he signed . I thought a goal scorer but he was greedy and selfish . That was his main flaw in my eyes before he was signed . But if I was given the choice welbeck or sturrigde at the time I would have said sturrigde hands down .

So Sturridge proved you wrong? And you didn't rate him as a top striker?

And yet after been proved wrong you don't think a similar player could do the same?

Peist2007

smileyj1987 wrote: »

He is greater worker and the likes but he isn't going to be a top striker . He isn't in the same league as sturrigde . I'm sorry if people think I'm being harsh but its my view on them as players .

Well i think Sturridge is excellent but he aint a top striker either. Of course that depends on your definition of a top striker. A top striker to me is one that any fan across the world would name as a "top striker". I think Sturridge is widely acknowledged as excellent in Britain but wouldnt be on radars worldwide. I could be wrong of course but that's my opinion. Of course he is good enough to improve and playing in the Champions League this season will give an indication. He's second tier when you are talking guys like Zlatan and, dare i say, Falcao

Edit: and absolutely of course, Luis Suarez. I dont think you'd put Sturridge in the same bracket as Suarez

klose

Who are signing in january lads?

The Mig

Victor Valdes rumoured to be signing when fit, to give myself a bit of coaching and competition!

Peist2007

klose wrote: »

Who are signing in january lads?

Vidal, Suarez and Defoe

OwaynOTT

whatawaster wrote: »

Benitez inherited a team with a terrific spine to it – Hyypia, Henchoz, Carragher, Finnan, Hamman, Gerrard, Owen (albeit sold in Rafa’s first summer)

Sure, Rodgers inherited some good players too – Suarez in particular, but in the main he inherited a bloated, overpaid, ageing squad. Our attack was creaking with Bellamy, Kuyt, Maxi, Carroll not performing.

He has completely transformed the profile of the squad, where we are now the youngest team in the league, playing some of the best football in the league.

The three seasons before Rafa came in Liverpool’s average position was 3rd/4th.
The three seasons before Rodgers came in Liverpool’s average position was 7th.

Rafa did a great job at Liverpool, but I think it’s fair to say he came in to a slightly better position than Rodgers.

The 5 course version of my Supermacs garlic cheese chip.
My sentiments exactly.

BenThere wrote: »

What series is that? I think I watched a few episodes of a (formerly) rich dysfunctional family but didn't keep up with it. Was it any good? Winter is coming so I need to build up a store of box sets for the nights there's no decent football to watch.

Ben

I always knew something was off with you Ben, now I know what it is that's off.
Come on! Never kept up with such a quality series, or maybe you just took a forget me now.

Wellbeck is a decent replacement for bendtner, at a ridiculous price

garra

niallo27 wrote: »

Ya I agree. Sturridge has a touch of fowler about him he is a natural finisher. Wellbeck doesn't have that in his game.

2nd that. If he doesn't have the finishing by now he will always be average imo

Utopia Parkway

Peist2007 wrote: »

Well i think Sturridge is excellent but he aint a top striker either.

If Sturridge isn't a top striker I don't know who is to be honest. Bizarrely he still seems to be underrated by many.

36 goals in 50 games for Liverpool. He has a better scoring record in that time than Rush, Fowler, Owen, Suarez, etc.

Amazing consistency and regularity in scoring as well. Doesn't score in bunches like some strikers who get 2 or 3 but then don't score for a while. He has just one hat-trick and has scored two or more goals in just five games - but he finds the target in lots of matches.

He also outstrips Falcao (30 goals in his last half-century of appearances), Benzema (24 goals in his last 50 matches) and Cavani (32 goals in last 50).

~Rebel~

One on one with the keeper, there are few players i'd trust more than Sturridge.

NukaCola

Soups123 wrote: »

So Sturridge proved you wrong? And you didn't rate him as a top striker?

And yet after been proved wrong you don't think a similar player could do the same?

How are Sturridge and Welbeck similar players?

NukaCola

Peist2007 wrote: »

Well i think Sturridge is excellent but he aint a top striker either. Of course that depends on your definition of a top striker. A top striker to me is one that any fan across the world would name as a "top striker". I think Sturridge is widely acknowledged as excellent in Britain but wouldnt be on radars worldwide. I could be wrong of course but that's my opinion. Of course he is good enough to improve and playing in the Champions League this season will give an indication. He's second tier when you are talking guys like Zlatan and, dare i say, Falcao

Edit: and absolutely of course, Luis Suarez. I dont think you'd put Sturridge in the same bracket as Suarez

I think Sturridge is a top player.....not a top top player.

Charlie19

NukaCola wrote: »

How are Sturridge and Welbeck similar players?

Both Strikers of similar age, height, hair and color of jersey they wore.

Oh and they're both fond of dancing.