Liverpool FC Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2014 - Mod Note in OP, 1/09

shamrock55

We will all be singing rodgers praises again this time next wk after he has just mastermindedtwo great victories over madrid and chelsea

Lord Trollington

Absolute pathetic performance by Liverpool.

Questions has to be asked of BR. Not saying he should be sacked but surely a rational debste can b had about him.

We never once looked like winning that game today.

As it stands Gerrard wouldn be getting a new contract if I were making decisions at LFC.

Lord Trollington

shamrock55 wrote: »

We will all be singing rodgers praises again this time next wk after he has just mastermindedtwo great victories over madrid and chelsea

We will be staring at 3 defeats in a row tomorrow week

Soft Falling Rain

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

Top 4 could be realistically beyond us on Christmas Day.

Doubtful though you surely agree.

Harry Palmr

The only good news is everyone is officially a bit crap right now. The worry is that sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo much is now being hung on the shoulders of one player. January is going to need a ready made striker, there is always someone out there (if that wasn't the case Suarez wouldn't have joined nor would Sturridge)

4-2-3-1 DOES NOT WORK 4-3-3 isn't great either.

hefferboi

Downing just SCORED with his right foot!!

What a legend.

klose

Bournemouth play brighton at 5.15 on sky. Teixiera starts, good opportunity to see our next league cup opponents too.

Utopia Parkway

Lord Trollington wrote: »

As it stands Gerrard wouldn be getting a new contract if I were making decisions at LFC.

Probably our best player today not that it was saying much.

shamrock55

Lord Trollington wrote: »

Absolute pathetic performance by Liverpool.

Questions has to be asked of BR. Not saying he should be sacked but surely a rational debste can b had about him.

We never once looked like winning that game today.

As it stands Gerrard wouldn be getting a new contract if I were making decisions at LFC.

If thats the case neither would the rest because he was by far our best player today ffs lets all thank the lord your not makind decisions

Harry Palmr

Real Madrid are taking the piss, playing nearly their best 11 against Granada CF, they know they can put out the second string for Liverpool.

Napoli beat Roma 2-0 stand by for the bring back Rafa campaign.

Gbear

Agent Coulson wrote: »

Brendan Rodgers has spend £212m since he becamce Liverpool manager 28 months ago to say he is working on a limited budget and has to buy moneyball players is a joke.

It isn't the amount spent - it's who he has to buy and it's about the state of the squad he's had to try and improve.

Chelsea and City have had billions spent on their squads in the last 10 years.

It's facile to try to compare being able to add 1 or 2 top quality players (who you can afford to pay ludicrous wages to) to having to build an entire team from the ground up.
Edit:(Not saying you've said that but it's a common complaint).

Rodgers generally can't afford to buy players who will be of the desired calibre the season he signs them. They have to be geared towards maturing a few years down the line. That doesn't mean you never have players "arriving" into your squad. It just means it takes a while for that conveyor belt to start delivering consistently.

The idea is that the players are cheaper, the cost is spread over a longer period, the wages are easier to manage because players who aren't the finished article don't expect the sorts of wages a finished article player does and you constantly have a large number of saleable assets (vs a team full of useless oldies on massive wages, like the one Hodgson left).
Even if we lose half our money on players like Markovic or Moreno, that's still getting 10's of millions of pounds to reinvest every year.

I don't think the point is to uncover hidden gems or find the new Messi for £27 and a box of 2nd hand pornography. It's to create a self-sustaining squad with a fairly consistent level of wages, age and quality and never have to completely demolish the whole thing and start again.

That doesn't excuse all his signings either. You still need to sign players for the level you want to reach rather than the one you happen to be at (Aspas, Moses, Assaidi, Borini and so forth) but any manager coming in here is going to be under the same restrictions.

Turtyturd

hefferboi wrote: »

Downing just SCORED with his right foot!!

What a legend.

Shame he was forced out. :pac:

Agent Coulson

Gbear wrote: »

It isn't the amount spent - it's who he has to buy and it's about the state of the squad he's had to try and improve.

Out of the 20 players he bought and spent £202m on how many have improved our first team let alone our squad?

It isn't amount he spent that worries me it's the players he spent it on.

He seems to be a bad judge of players in the transfer market.

LuckyLloyd

His transfer record is piss poor. I don't think that's really in contention is it?

It isn't a problem so long as you keep winning though, that's the rule.

klose

Makes for pretty grim reading the list of players who came in, you could say the club by and large for many years now has bought very poorly.

NukaCola

This is what happens when you lose a 70m striker and replace him with an overpriced 16m player. We should not have skimped on a goalscorer. Especially with the kinds of money we have been spending on squad players and potential the last few transfer windows.

You cant replace Suarez but surely you do the best possible. We weren't really linked with any quality forward apart from Sanchez last summer. The main excuses are "we cant compete with other teams financially" or "they dont want to sign for clubs outside London" etc etc. Lets be honest, we aren't exactly broke, we can offer a decent wage and we could offer CL football also, which was another big excuse of years gone by.

Bottom line is if we could not get a quality player within our means then you have to look at the transfer committee and/or negotiators and replacing them. I'm not looking for "star" names either. Surely the scouts had a list of targets? If not, you have to ask why are they still employed here.

Gbear

Agent Coulson wrote: »

Out of the 20 players he bought and spent £202m on how many have improved our first team let alone our squad?

It isn't amount he spent that worries me it's the players he spent it on.

He seems to be a bad judge of players in the transfer market.

I don't think you even read my post.

Fowler87

Seeing Sanchez perform the way he is atm makes missing out on him in the summer even more sickening:(

klose

Fowler87 wrote: »

Seeing Sanchez perform the way he is atm makes missing out on him in the summer even more sickening:(

Even victor moses socred today, the footballing gods truly laughing at us today.

Fowler87

klose wrote: »

Even victor moses socred today, the footballing gods truly laughing at us today.

First goal in 14 months apparently makes that a certainty. Good man Victor

shamrock55

For me lallana has to be in the team ahead of coutinho now, he is the only player we have with a bit of creative spark
i would like to see us play 442 with lallana and sterling on wings, with borini and lambert up front, or a 4411 with lallana and markovic on wings and sterling playing just behind borini, it cant be any worse then 4 2 3 1 or 433

bad2dabone

Fowler87 wrote: »

Seeing Sanchez perform the way he is atm makes missing out on him in the summer even more sickening:(

It's fantastic

Hangballlouie

Harry Palmr wrote: »

Real Madrid are taking the piss, playing nearly their best 11 against Granada CF, they know they can put out the second string for Liverpool.

Napoli beat Roma 2-0 stand by for the bring back Rafa campaign.

Hi

LuckyLloyd

Well he's won two trophies in two seasons at Chelsea and Napoli. Not perfect at either club, some of which is down to him and some down to the context he's operating in but he's getting through solid miles. He loves the city and club here. He'll always be an option imo.

Ardent

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

His transfer record is piss poor. I don't think that's really in contention is it?

It isn't a problem so long as you keep winning though, that's the rule.

Brendan Rodgers: "...[when] you spend over £100m you'd expect to be challenging for the league."

NukaCola

Rafa Benitez. Really. This is what the thread has come to. I mean we had great times with Rafa but his time is gone. Typical of some LFC fans to always look in the past. If people aren't willing to give BR time to get it right after proving he can get us to where we need to be then we have no hope of achieving anything. We'll be looking for a new manager every couple of years calling for managers heads when we dont instantly have sustained success.

10 games into the new season. Rafa Benitez? ****ing hell.

Mr Alan

Ardent wrote: »

Brendan Rodgers: "...[when] you spend over £100m you'd expect to be challenging for the league."

I've seen that around a bit.

It's a bit embarrassing alright.

However combine it with his comments about how we could now attract top players as we were back in the CL but Utd would really struggle to, before they went out & signed DiMaria & Falcao & we signed over £100m of averageness, and it's ****ing cringeworthy stuff.

Kirby

I think Rodgers knows the issues in the team. Fixing them is another matter but I think he recognises them, the main one being no spark in the final third. It's all a bit pedestrian to be honest. Sturridge returning will make a difference and I'd be surprised to see Balotelli last long than 18 months.

With regards to his comments, yes it's embarrassing for him. He's a mouth...and like any talker he is invariably going to talk so much crap that some of it will bite him in the arse. He's not the first manager to do this.

Sir Gallagher

Fcking sh1te.

Stargate

NukaCola wrote: »

Rafa Benitez. Really. This is what the thread has come to. I mean we had great times with Rafa but his time is gone. Typical of some LFC fans to always look in the past. If people aren't willing to give BR time to get it right after proving he can get us to where we need to be then we have no hope of achieving anything. We'll be looking for a new manager every couple of years calling for managers heads when we dont instantly have sustained success.

10 games into the new season. Rafa Benitez? ****ing hell.

Whatever about the great Rafa and stuff .......10 games / 14 points ain't great tbh , LFC with the money we had to spent this year should be doing much much better than drawing with Hull at home and playing absolute sh1te football .

shamrock55

Southamton are laughing their bollox off at us right now

population

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

Well he's won two trophies in two seasons at Chelsea and Napoli. Not perfect at either club, some of which is down to him and some down to the context he's operating in but he's getting through solid miles. He loves the city and club here. He'll always be an option imo.

If you wanted you could probably get him back rather easily. His heart really is not in it over here. DeLaurentis made him promises of transfer kittys that will never come to pass.

NukaCola

Stargate wrote: »

Whatever about the great Rafa and stuff .......10 games / 14 points ain't great tbh , LFC with the money we had to spent this year should be doing much much better than drawing with Hull at home and playing absolute sh1te football .

So lets not give BR time then?

Stargate

NukaCola wrote: »

So lets not give BR time then?

Not saying that at all Nuk , but jez the team are fookin brutal this season , BR would want to wake up and fast or the season will be over before xmas !

smileyj1987

shamrock55 wrote: »

Southamton are laughing their bollox off at us right now

I don't think they are at all !! Lovren and lallana are good players . How many mistakes between Lovren and skrtel have caused a goal to be conceded ? I would imagine it has been down to glen Johnson and the other full backs .

T-K-O

Stargate wrote: »

Whatever about the great Rafa and stuff .......10 games / 14 points ain't great tbh , LFC with the money we had to spent this year should be doing much much better than drawing with Hull at home and playing absolute sh1te football .

We should be playing much better but every player should run around like Suarez. After all it's only fecking running!

We aint and he's worth 70 million.

NukaCola

Stargate wrote: »

Not saying that at all Nuk , but jez the team are fookin brutal this season , BR would want to wake up and fast or the season will be over before xmas !

Hard to argue with that being honest.

T-K-O

smileyj1987 wrote: »

I don't think they are at all !! Lovren and lallana are good players . How many mistakes between Lovren and skrtel have caused a goal to be conceded ? I would imagine it has been down to glen Johnson and the other full backs .

I kinda half watched the game in work but I thought Lovern played well today.. ?

Mr Alan

NukaCola wrote: »

So lets not give BR time then?

He has been at the club 3 years?!

T-K-O

Mr Alan wrote: »

He has been at the club 3 years?!

and we finished 2nd last year, playing 10 games this season.

marklazarcovic

the manager does not tell his players to go out and play useless, they have been going out and playing useless ..they are professional,no matter what is asked of them they have to give 100 % every game...


that is not happening,klopps havin a mare of a start to a season too,you wont hear dortmund fans calling for his head..

short memories it seems in here.

rodgers has shown that when he has the players good enough who give everything he can work magic,im sticking with him,because right now i couldnt name a alternative to take over and give us what we want.

seasons not over.

LuckyLloyd

NukaCola wrote: »

Rafa Benitez. Really. This is what the thread has come to. I mean we had great times with Rafa but his time is gone. Typical of some LFC fans to always look in the past. If people aren't willing to give BR time to get it right after proving he can get us to where we need to be then we have no hope of achieving anything. We'll be looking for a new manager every couple of years calling for managers heads when we dont instantly have sustained success.

10 games into the new season. Rafa Benitez? ****ing hell.

We've played more than 10 games. Performances are very poor, a lot needs to turn around. The longer this goes on the more intense discussion will become. As Rafa Benitez and Kenny found out, you must keep winning.

I will also note that Benitez was inserted into the thread by Mike, not by Alan or me, etc.

Mr Alan

T-K-O wrote: »

and we finished 2nd last year, playing 10 games this season.

We finished second the year before Rafa got sacked.

Pointing out the second place finish only illustrates how quickly we're going backwards

mosstin

Does anyone know when this run of easy games starts?

mosstin

marklazarcovic wrote: »

the manager does not tell his players to go out and play useless, they have been going out and playing useless ..they are professional,no matter what is asked of them they have to give 100 % every game...


that is not happening,klopps havin a mare of a start to a season too,you wont hear dortmund fans calling for his head..

short memories it seems in here.

rodgers has shown that when he has the players good enough who give everything he can work magic,im sticking with him,because right now i couldnt name a alternative to take over and give us what we want.

seasons not over.

Klopp has been hamstrung by some pretty awful injury problems. Once they get them back they'll be nearer the top. We, on the other hand, Sturridge apart, are playing with a full deck.

Stargate

T-K-O wrote: »

We should be playing much better but every player should run around like Suarez. After all it's only fecking running!

We aint and he's worth 70 million.

LoL TKO 70 million ? Now what could we do with that kinda money ??
let's buy SouthamptonFC :P

klose

Comparing klopps bad start to rodgers is like comparing apples and oranges tbh

noodler

How many points did we have at this stage last year?

Agent Coulson

marklazarcovic wrote: »

the manager does not tell his players to go out and play useless, they have been going out and playing useless ..they are professional,no matter what is asked of them they have to give 100 % every game...

No he doesn't you are right.

What he does though is tell them how to play and in what system to play and having full backs play in the opposition half leaving the CB's exposed and open to a counter attack and playing one player up front on his own who has to come deep to get the ball which then leaves us with no one in attack.

So they are being professional in doing what the manager asks them to do.

Gbear

noodler wrote: »

How many points did we have at this stage last year?

20