Liverpool FC Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2014 - Mod Note in OP, 1/09

rob316 · 13-09-2014 10:03pm

rarnes1 wrote: »

It could well be too small a sample size but for me we have lost the cutting edge.

Last season we had a dodgy defence and an incredible strike force.

This season so far we still have the former and missing the latter

Time is needed, 1 game we have had our first choice striker pairing for and it looked good and we played as well as last season.

Something like 9 new players many are young, they can't all be expected to hit the ground running.

It was a shocking result but a bit of perspective is needed.

doc_17 · 13-09-2014 10:04pm

Sakho was terrible for the long ball that lead to the corner. It's time to cut our losses with him. He's awful.

Fescue · 13-09-2014 10:05pm

doc_17 wrote: »

Sakho was terrible for the long ball that lead to the corner. It's time to cut our losses with him. He's awful.

He reminds me of Bobo Balde.

SlickRic · 13-09-2014 10:06pm

today is not the end of the world, but three things stand out:

1. as I feared, we're going to be amazingly reliant on Sterling if we're not very careful.

2. if we don't start quickly, and the opposition settles, we invariably look poor.

3. our defence is worse than the sum of its parts. Sakho and Lovren are excellent defenders, and have proved it elsewhere, but seem to look fairly fragile and indecisive. some monster work is needed.

rob316 · 13-09-2014 10:08pm

I don't rate Sakho at all he looks so awkward with the ball at his feet there is no way rodgers bought him. Lovren and skrtel is the way forward when he is back fit, they could build a very good partnership.

Utopia Parkway · 13-09-2014 10:11pm

SlickRic wrote: »

3. our defence is worse than the sum of its parts. Sakho and Lovren are excellent defenders, and have proved it elsewhere, but seem to look fairly fragile and indecisive. some monster work is needed.

Maybe Rodgers is just not a good defensive coach. It doesn't seem to matter who we put back there. They all seem to make mistakes. Lovren and Sakho are first choice for Croatia and France respectively. They can't be bad defenders but they seem to look it at times with Liverpool.

Fescue · 13-09-2014 10:11pm

rob316 wrote: »

I don't rate Sakho at all he looks so awkward with the ball at his feet there is no way rodgers bought him. Lovren and skrtel is the way forward when he is back fit, they could build a very good partnership.

If I was the opposition manager I would target Sakho. Play the ball into his area and get on him and pressure him. He is liable to do something silly. No other top side has a defender who is so technically poor. He can play a decent pass but Djimi Traore was a better footballer.

MD1990 · 13-09-2014 10:14pm

Some incredible comments in here tbh. Shocking performance but our new players will need time to settle in. I thought taking off Balotelli was a poor substition though.

Fescue · 13-09-2014 10:15pm

MD1990 wrote: »

Some incredible comments in here tbh. Shocking performance but our new players will need time to settle in. I thought taking off Balotelli was a poor substition though.

Stomach bug meant he missed training during the week. I thought he looked spent when he came off.

MD1990 · 13-09-2014 10:17pm

Fescue wrote: »

Stomach bug meant he missed training during the week. I thought he looked spent when he came off.

Borini did not have a clue what to do when he came om

Fescue · 13-09-2014 10:18pm

MD1990 wrote: »

Borini did not have a clue what to do when he came om

Has he ever looked like he knew what he was doing when he plays?

Bor-utal.

Kerrigooney · 13-09-2014 10:19pm

I must have fallen asleep and woken up in June 2015 because going by the last few pages the league seems to be over for us.

Toys all over the floor. Get a fucking grip lads. Yes it was an awful performance but it happens. Stoke beat City a fortnight ago ffs. It happens and will happen again.

There was exactly the same reaction after the Hull (I think) game last season yet things didn't pan out too badly. I know every point is important but we'll lose games. So will everyone else.

I'm very surprised Rossie hasn't been in to tell us how shit everything is. Not like him to miss an opportunity to twist the knife.

Fescue · 13-09-2014 10:23pm

I would not like to see that formation anytime soon either. If Gerrard plays we are much more effective with Henderson and Allen ahead of him. Henderson is too restricted in a 4-2-3-1.

Hangballlouie · 13-09-2014 10:25pm

Kerrigooney wrote: »

I must have fallen asleep and woken up in June 2015 because going by the last few pages the league seems to be over for us.

Toys all over the floor. Get a fucking grip lads. Yes it was an awful performance but it happens. Stoke beat City a fortnight ago ffs. It happens and will happen again.

There was exactly the same reaction after the Hull (I think) game last season yet things didn't pan out too badly. I know every point is important but we'll lose games. So will everyone else.

I'm very surprised Rossie hasn't been in to tell us how shit everything is. Not like him to miss an opportunity to twist the knife.

3 out of 4 performances have been very poor. That's my argument. However I agree it is still early, but worrying signs IMO.

Gbear · 13-09-2014 10:26pm

Bleugh. Was on a plane during the game and had it saved for when I got back.

Was really looking forward to seeing how we got on but you can't just throw a decent bunch of players together and have it click instantly.

An awful result, game and performance.

13-09-2014 10:28pm

Don't see what the problem is pointing out the deficiencies of the team tbh. It's hardly calling for sackings.

Excusing muck performances is worse imo

MD1990 · 13-09-2014 10:29pm

We need to play a 4-4-2 diamond most of the time . Coutinho getting some criticism but he was our only real threat in the 2nd half.Against Ludogorets I would go

_____________Mignolet___________
Manquillo___Skrtel____Lovren___Moreno
_____________Gerrard____________
_____Henderson_______Coutinho____
_____________Lallana____________
________Balotelli_____Sterling______

Fescue · 13-09-2014 10:30pm

rarnes1 wrote: »

Don't see what the problem is pointing out the deficiencies of the team tbh. It's hardly calling for sackings.

Excusing muck performances is worse imo

Who are the chancers you were talking about though?

chicorytip · 13-09-2014 10:31pm

You simply have to question the manager's judgement of players.
He is the one who makes the ultimate decisions on who to sign.Spending
20 million on the likes of Lovren is astonishing.The Saints are laughing all the way
to the bank.

rob316 · 13-09-2014 10:32pm

rarnes1 wrote: »

Don't see what the problem is pointing out the deficiencies of the team tbh. It's hardly calling for sackings.

Excusing muck performances is worse imo

I agree but you called the new players chancers. That's knee jerk not constructive criticism.

MD1990 · 13-09-2014 10:34pm

rarnes1 wrote: »

Don't see what the problem is pointing out the deficiencies of the team tbh. It's hardly calling for sackings.

Excusing muck performances is worse imo

Your not doing that though. Your having a knee jerk reaction to a very poor performance by calling our new players chancers. Give them some time ffs. Your embarrasing yourself tonight.

The Pontiac · 13-09-2014 10:37pm

chicorytip wrote: »

You simply have to question the manager's judgement of players.
He is the one who makes the ultimate decisions on who to sign.Spending
20 million on the likes of Lovren is astonishing.The Saints are laughing all the way
to the bank.

No excuses.

Receiving £65m for Suarez and not buying a Diego Costa, Alexis Sanchez or a Radamel Falcao is not going to win you the league.

Fescue · 13-09-2014 10:38pm

The Pontiac wrote: »

No excuses.

Receiving £65m for Suarez and not buying a Diego Costa, Alexis Sanchez or a Radamel Falcao is not going to win you the league.

I can guarantee you the teams who brought in Sanchez and Falcao won't be winning the league.

Agent Coulson · 13-09-2014 10:39pm

chicorytip wrote: »

You simply have to question the manager's judgement of players.
He is the one who makes the ultimate decisions on who to sign.Spending
20 million on the likes of Lovren is astonishing.The Saints are laughing all the way
to the bank.

The one thing I have learned from this thread is all the so called bad players signed were the transfer committees fault and all the players that work out were Brendan Rodgers choices.

Utopia Parkway · 13-09-2014 10:39pm

Thought Markovic had a mixed game. There was no space back there to run in behind but he took the wrong option a few too many times. Then you see that he is a lad who is only 9 months older than Sterling and is starting his first game in a new league. Needs time.

The Pontiac · 13-09-2014 10:40pm

Fescue wrote: »

I can guarantee you the teams who brought in Sanchez and Falcao won't be winning the league.

I agree (this season), but those teams are heading in the right direction.

Iused2likebusts · 13-09-2014 10:41pm

very poor today and although I understand why rodgers rested sterling today wasnt the day for it. We are all about attacking with pace and with sturridge out sterling had to play. When the first 4 fixtures came out id have expected 7 pts from the first 4 its a shame as 9 pts would have been a great start from our first 4 fixtures. Wouldnt be passing too much judgement on the new players yet but I havent been overly impressed with markovic to date.

michael999999 · 13-09-2014 10:42pm

The Pontiac wrote: »

I agree (this season), but those teams are heading in the right direction.

Go discuss them in there teams threads so!

Utopia Parkway · 13-09-2014 10:42pm

The Pontiac wrote: »

No excuses.

Receiving £65m for Suarez and not buying a Diego Costa, Alexis Sanchez or a Radamel Falcao is not going to win you the league.

Went for Sanchez. His wife wanted London.
Could have afforded a fee for Falcao but no way would the club pay those wages.
Costa to Chelsea was probably inevitable from a long way out. And again they could offer London and probably higher wages too if it came to a bidding war.

Kerrigooney · 13-09-2014 10:43pm

hangballlouie wrote: »

3 out of 4 performances have been very poor. That's my argument. However I agree it is still early, but worrying signs IMO.

We were rubbish this time last year as well. Scraping 1-0 wins and not appearing for second halves. We were putting points on the board but we were crap. It'll take a bit of time I think.

@rarnes I'm not excusing **** performances...I'm just saying they happen to every team.

At least we don't have to wait a week to put it right...seems we're playing in some champions cup league or something on Tues. Might be worth a watch.

Fescue · 13-09-2014 10:43pm

The Pontiac wrote: »

I agree (this season), but those teams are heading in the right direction.

Don't you worry, Liverpool are going in the right direction. With a manager who has a lot of room to improve and the energy to do so.

Those other teams have old men whose best days are behind them.

The Pontiac · 13-09-2014 10:43pm

michael999999 wrote: »

Go discuss them in there teams threads so!

No I won't.

I'm arguing Liverpool should have bought a player of that quality.

Fescue · 13-09-2014 10:44pm

The Pontiac wrote: »

No I won't.

I'm arguing Liverpool should have bought a player of that quality.

Balotelli?

The Pontiac · 13-09-2014 10:45pm

Fescue wrote: »

Don't you worry, Liverpool are going in the right direction. With a manager who has a lot of room to improve and the energy to do so.

Those other teams have old men whose best days are behind them.

You know that's rubbish talk.

Fescue · 13-09-2014 10:46pm

The Pontiac wrote: »

You know that's rubbish talk.

How so?

Kerrigooney · 13-09-2014 10:47pm

The Pontiac wrote: »

You know that's rubbish talk.

We don't know anything of the sort.

The Pontiac · 13-09-2014 10:47pm

Fescue wrote: »

Balotelli?

He was a good buy at £16m, worth the risk.

I wouldn't put him in the same class as Diego Costa, Sanchez or Falcao.

rob316 · 13-09-2014 10:51pm

Agent Coulson wrote: »

The one thing I have learned from this thread is all the so called bad players signed were the transfer committees fault and all the players that work out were Brendan Rodgers choices.

Not really but it is plain as day to see someone like Sakho is not a rodgers player.

13-09-2014 10:58pm

Fescue wrote: »

Who are the chancers you were talking about though?

Balotelli and Lambert are not adequate replacements for Suarez. Calling them chancers was a knee jerk post game comment tbh.

However I feel we'll regret taking so many transfer risks this summer imo

billymitchell · 13-09-2014 11:12pm

Missed the second half today, any better than the first?

5live · 13-09-2014 11:12pm

rarnes1 wrote: »

Balotelli and Lambert are not adequate replacements for Suarez. Calling them chancers was a knee jerk post game comment tbh.

However I feel we'll regret taking so many transfer risks this summer imo

We don't have the money to spend on one single outstanding player. We had and probably still have a lot of defencies in the team and squad and spending a massive amount of money will only be done if the risk of failure is small.

6 new players in the team since last season and they will need time to gel. We have lost a huge talent and replaced him with a range of different and talented young players. Its the sensible option on the way back to rebuilding the club.

The manager probably erred in the formation today but not in resting Sterling. We complained last year that he wad overused at times. I would prefer to drop points while resting Sterling than gain them while increasing the long term risk to him. We don't want another Owen scenario, or do we?

13-09-2014 11:23pm

5live wrote: »

We don't have the money to spend on one single outstanding player. We had and probably still have a lot of defencies in the team and squad and spending a massive amount of money will only be done if the risk of failure is small.

6 new players in the team since last season and they will need time to gel. We have lost a huge talent and replaced him with a range of different and talented young players. Its the sensible option on the way back to rebuilding the club.

The manager probably erred in the formation today but not in resting Sterling. We complained last year that he wad overused at times. I would prefer to drop points while resting Sterling than gain them while increasing the long term risk to him. We don't want another Owen scenario, or do we?

All well and good but we have spent a lot of money this season and a poor season won't cut it. Improvement is needed asap.

As for resting Sterling, how long do you think he'll actually be at Liverpool?

Red Pepper · 13-09-2014 11:27pm

I fear the worst, Ballotelli is going to get kicked all season long until he snaps. I think it's evitable. Poor buy by Rodgers. Whether we like it or not, he will grab all the headlines for the wrong reasons this season. It will not help the new team to gel. From 2nd last season after blowing a golden opportunity, I think we are back in chasing 4th and it will be a struggle.

hefferboi · 13-09-2014 11:30pm

Red Pepper wrote: »

I fear the worst, Ballotelli is going to get kicked all season long until he snaps. I think it's evitable. Poor buy by Rodgers. Whether we like it or not, he will grab all the headlines for the wrong reasons this season. It will not help the new team to gel. From 2nd last season after blowing a golden opportunity, I think we are back in chasing 4th and it will be a struggle.

Have you next weeks lotto numbers as well?

Jesus Wept · 13-09-2014 11:31pm

We're going to have to play a lot better than that if we're going to retain our title.

13-09-2014 11:32pm

Red Pepper wrote: »

I fear the worst, Ballotelli is going to get kicked all season long until he snaps. I think it's evitable. Poor buy by Rodgers. Whether we like it or not, he will grab all the headlines for the wrong reasons this season. It will not help the new team to gel. From 2nd last season after blowing a golden opportunity, I think we are back in chasing 4th and it will be a struggle.

Suarez was kicked around the place too, all top players will be. The difference was he was top class. Ballotelli is imo a millions miles from that.

Red Pepper · 13-09-2014 11:37pm

rarnes1 wrote: »

Suarez was kicked around the place too, all top players will be. The difference was he was top class. Ballotelli is imo a millions miles from that.

Exactly but everybody knows that Ballotelli only plays when he feels like it. Suarez has much more hunger and was trying to rebuild his reputation after disgracing himself, we know now he also wanted the move to Spain. I don't think Ballotelli cares about anything as long as he is getting well paid.

djPSB · 13-09-2014 11:39pm

Red Pepper wrote: »

I fear the worst, Ballotelli is going to get kicked all season long until he snaps. I think it's evitable. Poor buy by Rodgers. Whether we like it or not, he will grab all the headlines for the wrong reasons this season. It will not help the new team to gel. From 2nd last season after blowing a golden opportunity, I think we are back in chasing 4th and it will be a struggle.

#BlameMario

Red Pepper · 13-09-2014 11:40pm

hefferboi wrote: »

Have you next weeks lotto numbers as well?

Ask me in May. Actually I bet he does something really stupid by January.

5live · 13-09-2014 11:58pm

rarnes1 wrote: »

All well and good but we have spent a lot of money this season and a poor season won't cut it. Improvement is needed asap.

As for resting Sterling, how long do you think he'll actually be at Liverpool?

A long time yet, i reckon.

He is only 19, still growing and developing. He is nowhere near a finished product and, imo, will not be for 2-3 years yet. Why would he go to sit on Madrids or Barcas bench? Also, if overplayed like Owen, he will be injured more and worth less to us either as a player or a saleable asset.

I agree that improvement is needed but not at the expense of stunting what could be our best player. There are problems evident defensively at the club since Rodgers took over. Hopefully improving the quality of the 3 new defenders over those they replaced will take us a long way towards a solution but i haven't seen Rodgers being overly concerned with the lack of cohesion between whatever 2 CBs he has picked thus far and that concerns me greatly.

It looks like a lot of teams will park the bus against us this year and it will be interesting to see what solutions Rodgers will try to pick them open.

Its going to be an intetesting season again:-)

Liverpool FC Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2014 - Mod Note in OP, 1/09

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