Liverpool FC Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2014 - Mod Note in OP, 1/09

Nerdlingr

NukaCola wrote: »

In your opinion though. Your saying he was always average. I'm saying he wasn't always average. Before his injuries he was and would have continued to be a very important player for us based on him being very good.

Why the **** your talking about Steve McMahon and the 80's I have no idea though. Football is played in the present. At present we aren't guaranteed a top 4 finish even. Our past is important but clinging to it as a reminder of where we want to be is clouding your opinion on what a Liverpool player "should" be.

Obviously its my opinion! This is what discussion boards are about no? people giving their opinion?
And in your opinion you think Lucas was good enough for Liverpool and improved over the years. I'm saying he wasn't and hasnt improved.

He pales in comparison to a whole host of midfielders we've had over the years. Give me Ince, Redknapp, Murphy, Hamann, McAllister, Alonso, Mascherano, Henderson, Allen over Lucas any day of the week. (Just to bring it up to the present.... since that's where football is played in) And I make no excuses for using the past as a barometer as what we should be aiming for in the present. If you're happy with the likes of Lucas being the standard of what a Liverpool player should be then so be it. I'm not.

I'll leave it there cos this could go on for days!

DVDM93

A little off topic but do people think Borini is good enough for us?

Mr Alan

Nerdlingr wrote: »

He pales in comparison to a whole host of midfielders we've had over the years. Give me Ince, Redknapp, Murphy, Hamann, McAllister, Alonso, Mascherano, Henderson, Allen over Lucas any day of the week. (Just to bring it up to the present.... since that's where football is played in) And I make no excuses for using the past as a barometer as what we should be aiming for in the present. If you're happy with the likes of Lucas being the standard of what a Liverpool player should be then so be it. I'm not.

Lucas has shown infinitely more for Liverpool than Joe Allen has.

NukaCola

Nerdlingr wrote: »

I'll leave it there cos this could go on for days!

Fair enough

Vicxas

DVDM93 wrote: »

A little off topic but do people think Borini is good enough for us?

Busted his hump on Tuesday when he came on. His work rate can't be faulted

MD1990

Mr Alan wrote: »

Lucas has shown infinitely more for Liverpool than Joe Allen has.

In the past yes. For the last year Allen has easily outperformed Lucas. Allen has played well in the last year.

Hoki

Lucas has stagnated, Allen has blossomed(slowly). I'd start Allen over Lucas currently. At the end of the day current form is all that matters , who gives a fcuk if Lucas bossed the midfield against Chelsea in Stamford Bridge a few years ago, he wouldn't do it now.

Kerrigooney

Mr Alan wrote: »

Lucas has shown infinitely more for Liverpool than Joe Allen has.

Not lately nor in the future I imagine.

I'm not slating Lucas btw...just saying.

NukaCola

Sam Allardyce on Liverpool.

‘Last year we were done by a referee decision. They came and said that the coach couldn’t park where it should have parked, the changing rooms were too hot, the grass was too long and they only managed to win on two penalties. It was a shame they go away with it last year’

He also said something about us being complacent against Villa, something like we took them lightly.

Hopefully it acts motivation for the weekend.

MD1990

Unfair to compare Allen & Lucas overally time as an Liverpool player anyway. Lucas has had like a 5 year start too on Allen & probably as had as many poor seasons as good one's too.

Allen is an important squad member for sure and so is Lucas if he regains better form, particularly better than last season. Thought he did ok the other night when he came on actually.

Harry Palmr

Allen works better for Liverpools busy diamond, Lucas is not really suited to it. Then again neither is Gerrard in truth.

amiable

Pop my head for the first time in ages and see people still think Lucas offers something to the team. The sooner Liverpool are rid the better. It says it all that Liverpool couldn't find anyone to buy him in the summer or even loan him out.

amiable

NukaCola wrote: »

Sam Allardyce on Liverpool.

‘Last year we were done by a referee decision. They came and said that the coach couldn’t park where it should have parked, the changing rooms were too hot, the grass was too long and they only managed to win on two penalties. It was a shame they go away with it last year’

He also said something about us being complacent against Villa, something like we took them lightly.

Hopefully it acts motivation for the weekend.

Allardyce holding on to his job by a thread so has to try anything to justify himself.
The man is cringe worthy. He complains after every defeat that they were unlucky it seems

amiable

Kerrigooney wrote: »

Not lately nor in the future I imagine.

I'm not slating Lucas btw...just saying.

I am. He's been sh1t for ages now apart from a few brief twenty minute spells in a couple of games. Not good enough for Liverpool IMO

whatawaster

Mr Alan wrote: »

Lucas has shown infinitely more for Liverpool than Joe Allen has.

Not in the last 2 years he hasn't.

jcsoulinger

Vicxas wrote: »

Busted his hump on Tuesday when he came on. His work rate can't be faulted

FFS that's all we need, what's the expected recovery time for a busted hump?

x43r0

DVDM93 wrote: »

Speechless...

Liverpool fan pages bring out the strangest comments

Go on the official LFC facebook page and read some of the comments on any post. It's basically a lot foreigners with poor English

sweetie

amiable wrote: »

Allardyce holding on to his job by a thread so has to try anything to justify himself.
The man is cringe worthy. He complains after every defeat that they were unlucky it seems

i'll have nothing said against the man after taking Andy, Stew and Joe from us!

Fescue

jcsoulinger wrote: »

FFS that's all we need, what's the expected recovery time for a busted hump?

I never busted my hump but I did get the hump before. Usually lasts an hour or so.

Harry Palmr

x43r0 wrote: »

Liverpool fan pages bring out the strangest comments

Go on the official LFC facebook page and read some of the comments on any post. It's basically a lot foreigners with poor English

But it's all adding value apparently!

Charlie19

Dublin is getting a LFC official store in the Ilac shopping mall and its going to be opened on the 3rd of October by Didi Hamman.

Its a Friday so some ye might be able to bring along your junior reds.

http://www.liverpoolfc.com/news/latest-news/171011-reds-legend-to-open-new-dublin-store

DVDM93

I think a lot of what frustrates people is that when Borini was initially linked with a move away, it was for a figure of 14 or so million. That is an absolute steal for a back up player considering we were linked with Remy for 8 or so million in or around the same time. Would ye have been happy if he went for 5 million?

Rodgers wanted Borini gone and he's a good a judge as any, which is enough for me to decide that he'll only ever reach the heights of a good back up player. Do I hope I'm wrong? I most certainly hope so. I'd love to see him turn it around like Henderson but I just can't see it happening.

All things well I would have preferred Remy to Borini and Eto'o to Lambert.

But that's not to be, I support Liverpool and Borini is a Liverpool player. Therefore I will support him as he fights for his place as long as he plays for us.

As for Lucas, I'm sorry as I like him. He's quite fond of the club but it just isn't working out. As mentioned that performance in Stamford Bridge years ago is no good to us now with the way he's playing. Sure that's as good as saying the Torres of old is still of use to us now. It's in the past, it's irrelevant. I can't see Lucas plating consistently well like that again. Allen is better and I'd even have Can ahead of him going by present performances if he wasn't injured.

Borini has more of a chance of having a good season than Lucas does though I think... I wish both of them all the best and hope they prove me wrong.

willowthewisp

Charlie19 wrote: »

Dublin is getting a LFC official store in the Ilac shopping mall and its going to be opened on the 3rd of October by Didi Hamman.

Its a Friday so some ye might be able to bring along your junior reds.

http://www.liverpoolfc.com/news/latest-news/171011-reds-legend-to-open-new-dublin-store

From the pictures it looks ready to go. Not open for trading until the 3rd of October then?

punk_one82

Fescue wrote: »

I never busted my hump but I did get the hump before. Usually lasts an hour or so.

An hour? Cmon now.

googled eyes

x43r0 wrote: »

Liverpool fan pages bring out the strangest comments

Go on the official LFC facebook page and read some of the comments on any post. It's basically a lot foreigners with poor English

We're all foreigners in relation to the Prem League.

Liverpool FC is a global brand. If you want your team to be a world power you can't complain about people who may not speak your language supporting them.

Jesus if you're complaining about poor English you don't have to look to foreign fans. The locals are just as bad if not worse.

Edit: Although from your location maybe you're not

greendom

x43r0 wrote: »

Liverpool fan pages bring out the strangest comments

Go on the official LFC facebook page and read some of the comments on any post. It's basically a lot foreigners with poor English

I think that sums up Boards pretty well

DVDM93

Balotelli just threw this up on Instagram, aboy Mario

8-10

NukaCola wrote: »

Sam Allardyce on Liverpool.

‘Last year we were done by a referee decision. They came and said that the coach couldn’t park where it should have parked, the changing rooms were too hot, the grass was too long and they only managed to win on two penalties. It was a shame they go away with it last year’

The space in front of West Ham's goal was probably taken anyway. #BigSam

x43r0

googled eyes wrote: »

We're all foreigners in relation to the Prem League.

Liverpool FC is a global brand. If you want your team to be a world power you can't complain about people who may not speak your language supporting them.

Jesus if you're complaining about poor English you don't have to look to foreign fans. The locals are just as bad if not worse.

Edit: Although from your location maybe you're not

Don't get me wrong at all - I'm not complaining about them. I just find the comments funny. Kind of in the same vein as the stuff you'd see on Engrish

Calvin

Official LFC store launching in Dublin on October 3rd. Didi Hamann to assist the launch with a meet 'n' greet and a session talking about his times at LFC.

About time they launch one here!

5starpool

Only 24.75 hours until our next game. Hopefully an improvement in form but it'd be amusing to see Samuel upset by a controversial Liverpool win.

Charlie19

5starpool wrote: »

Only 24.75 hours until our next game. Hopefully an improvement in form but it'd be amusing to see Samuel upset by a controversial Liverpool win.

I hope we don't suffer the European hangover, I can't remember if it was during benitez or houlliers time that we struggled to win after the mid week match.

Gbear

Charlie19 wrote: »

I hope we don't suffer the European hangover, I can't remember if it was during benitez or houlliers time that we struggled to win after the mid week match.

All teams do.

Iused2likebusts

For me the only time Lucas has looked good in our midfield was when we were consistently finishing 7th his level imo. He isn't and never has been good enough to start regularly for a team in the top 4.

Charlie19

I could probably get my head through there.

Charlie19

Gbear wrote: »

All teams do.

Too much hassle to find any stats.

I know teams do find it difficult, especially after an away tie but I think we went through a spell where we just could not get a result at all.

Something similar to how Spurs found it last season.

Augmerson

Charlie19 wrote: »

I could probably get my head through there.

Looks like he is trying to headbutt Sterling. You can see quite clearly his head his pointed in his direction. Shocking stuff.

Luckycharms_74

Any presser vid yet ?

MD1990

According to bib theory: Mignolet, Manquillo, Skrtel, Lovren, Moreno, Gerrard, Lucas, Henderson, Sterling, Borini, Balotelli

If the team is right we need big performances out of Lucas & Borini.

Iused2likebusts

Iused2likebusts wrote: »

For me the only time Lucas has looked good in our midfield was when we were consistently finishing 7th his level imo. He isn't and never has been good enough to start regularly for a team in the top 4.

And yet he played 2/3 of league games the last time we finished 2nd before last season. Good job we leave the managing to managers eh

MD1990

MD1990 wrote: »

According to bib theory: Mignolet, Manquillo, Skrtel, Lovren, Moreno, Gerrard, Lucas, Henderson, Sterling, Borini, Balotelli

If the team is right we need big performances out of Lucas & Borini.

Not sure how the bob theory is working out this season but I think almost every rumoured team has been wrong so far!

SuperTortoise

rarnes1 wrote: »

And yet he played 2/3 of league games the last time we finished 2nd before last season. Good job we leave the managing to managers eh

In all fairness has there been any time in the last 18 months that he has looked like a top 4 type of player? There's got to be a stage where you cut your losses.

We should be setting the bar high, when the time comes to replace Gerrard we should be looking at established world class holding midfielders, or at the very least someone young that has shown signs of developing into one.

(I will add i just have'nt seen enough of Can to judge if he'll be that player.)

SuperTortoise

SuperTortoise wrote: »

In all fairness has there been any time in the last 18 months that he has looked like a top 4 type of player? There's got to be a stage where you cut your losses.

We should be setting the bar high, when the time comes to replace Gerrard we should be looking at established world class holding midfielders, or at the very least someone young that has shown signs of developing into one.

(I will add i just have'nt seen enough of Can to judge if he'll be that player.)

Not talking about the past 18 months

The poster said he was never good enough for top 4. Clearly talking nonsense.

Liam O

Iused2likebusts wrote: »

For me the only time Lucas has looked good in our midfield was when we were consistently finishing 7th his level imo. He isn't and never has been good enough to start regularly for a team in the top 4.

Lucas was a monster for Liverpool for a good while. A lot of those fond memories you have of Alonso and Torres from when they were there are because of the fantastic work he was doing. He lost a lot with that bad injury but before it he was one of the best defensive players in the league, I'd assume nearly every Liverpool fan would agree with that, maybe I'm wrong...

Pilsbury Doughboy

I really hope that bib theory team is wrong, we've been down this road before with Gerrard and Lucas, it just does not work.

T-K-O

Liam O wrote: »

Lucas was a monster for Liverpool for a good while. A lot of those fond memories you have of Alonso and Torres from when they were there are because of the fantastic work he was doing. He lost a lot with that bad injury but before it he was one of the best defensive players in the league, I'd assume nearly every Liverpool fan would agree with that, maybe I'm wrong...

Yeah but he's ****e now and so is Borini (hardly kicked a ball for LFC)


Suarez was overrated

Iused2likebusts

rarnes1 wrote: »

Not talking about the past 18 months

The poster said he was never good enough for top 4. Clearly talking nonsense.

That 08 09 season he had 25 league appearances can't find how many of them were starts but of 39 total appearances that season he came on as sub 19 times. It's safe to say he started no more than 15 league games maximum that year . The midfield was masch alonso Gerrard . He wasn't a regular starter which was my point and wasn't good enough to be. I'd imagine a fair few of his starts were the league games either side of the champs lge

Iused2likebusts

Liam O wrote: »

Lucas was a monster for Liverpool for a good while. A lot of those fond memories you have of Alonso and Torres from when they were there are because of the fantastic work he was doing. He lost a lot with that bad injury but before it he was one of the best defensive players in the league, I'd assume nearly every Liverpool fan would agree with that, maybe I'm wrong...

I certainly wouldn't agree with it. Has always been Too slow gives away too many fouls and rarely gets on the half turn to pass the ball forward. Would he have played all that much with alonso he only became a regular when alonso left. He had a couple of good seasons when we were an average team when the bar is raised he struggles to get in the team.

Charlie19

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q9Zy_DVCfvk