Irish UN Soldiers help to rescue Filipino Peacekeepers who are Under Fire

Gatling

EunanMac wrote: »

If I provide additional security along the route you are using, as useful and helpful as it is, I didn't 'rescue' or 'save' you.

In your opinion


From hearing reports it was a rescue ,


but hey were not there but we've got semantics

Last_Minute

Are they making a movie about this?

jonathan13

Last_Minute wrote: »

Are they making a movie about this?

do you have suggestion for movie name?

Gatling

Last_Minute wrote: »

Are they making a movie about this?

That's was quick

archer22

jonathan13 wrote: »

is that being downplayed by media? that link is a big media giant there

the only comments that interest me are compliments to the Irish UN QRF..

The people complimenting are going on the quoted story from the Irish media.Personally I think the Irish media are hyping up the Irish contribution at the expense of the Filipinos who were the ones actually involved in a shooting battle and if anybody was truly heroic surely it was them.That is not to detract from the Irish soldiers who done there job well.But the day belongs to the Filipinos.The rest were just in a support role.

jonathan13

archer22 wrote: »

The people complimenting are going on the quoted story from the Irish media.Personally I think the Irish media are hyping up the Irish contribution at the expense of the Filipinos who were the ones actually involved in a shooting battle and if anybody was truly heroic surely it was them.That is not to detract from the Irish soldiers who done there job well.But the day belongs to the Filipinos.The rest were just in a support role.

supporting role or main character, they are all heroes for me personally. They are working for the UN flag and they all achieved whatever their mission tasked them to do.
if i'm a soldier on one of those post and knew i had limited ammo and pssibly surrounded by enemy, i'l be really happy if those APC was sent to extract my team

Son Of A Vidic

Summer Salmon Topaz wrote: »

At last we have an army that kind of does what an army is supposed to do.

Nonsense. No matter what flag they have served under, Irish soldiers have always been renowned for their fighting spirit and toughness.

allroad

jonathan13 wrote: »

can you post any link Filipino media is downplaying UN Irish QRF troops? They did their mission very well executed.

http://www.gmanetwork.com/news/story/377116/pinoyabroad/news/irish-troops-helped-besieged-phl-peacekeepers-withdraw-from-post-report

The link you provided allows access to other Filipino reports on the incident.
The reference story appears to be based on the Mirror report alone, which seems to differ from Filipino accounts.

The Filipinos do not see themselves as helpless victims in this incident, nor should they, from almost all accounts. The QRF obviously did it's job, as you would expect, but I think some of the language used in Irish reports has annoyed some Filipino observers.

Imagine if the situation was reversed and Irish troops had refused to hand over their weapons, held off the enemy for 7 hours and effected an escape with the aid of UN colleagues. Who would we regard as heroes?

This is not to take away from our own troops, who carried out their job with their usual professionalism and reliability, but the Filipinos deserve better than to be treated as helpless hostages in the way the Mirror article implies.

average hero

Irish defence forces doing an excellent job. Great that they're getting recognition for such a difficult job. They are doing us proud, against a ruthless and violent enemy who slaughter and maim anyone who doesn't agree with their ways of life.

Beano

allroad wrote: »

The link you provided allows access to other Filipino reports on the incident.
The reference story appears to be based on the Mirror report alone, which seems to differ from Filipino accounts.

The Filipinos do not see themselves as helpless victims in this incident, nor should they, from almost all accounts. The QRF obviously did it's job, as you would expect, but I think some of the language used in Irish reports has annoyed some Filipino observers.

Imagine if the situation was reversed and Irish troops had refused to hand over their weapons, held off the enemy for 7 hours and effected an escape with the aid of UN colleagues. Who would we regard as heroes?

We didnt regard the irish soldiers who held off a massively superior force for days as heroes so why should these be any different? Lets be honest most Irish people couldnt give a monkeys about the defence forces.

Wicklowrider

One particular report was "hyped", so what?
Does that somehow make the fundamentalists less dangerous or their arms less lethal?

"If I did x... " " If WE did y...." Go on then, tell us what you HAVE done.Then we can decide whether you are worth listening to.

" Yes, makin' mock o' uniforms that guard you while you sleep
Is cheaper than them uniforms, an' they're starvation cheap"

As an aside I am (pleasantly) surprised the action was given any attention by the media. Dozens of engagements over the years were either ignored or not reported at all. Tbh, that was probably a lot easier on the families at home.

strangel00p

Wicklowrider wrote: »

At last?
Could you do me a favour and look up the Siege of Jadoville?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_of_Jadotville

em, that happened over fifty years ago. I'm probably wrong on this, but I thought the Irish surrendered at Jadotville?

Beano

strangel00p wrote: »

em, that happened over fifty years ago. I'm probably wrong on this, but I thought the Irish surrendered at Jadotville?

158 against 4-5000 and they held out for 6 days. They only surrendered when they ran out of ammunition. Bit hard to fight without ammunition.

Imagine Rourkes Drift but with the zulus being better armed than the the british. And the zulus with the element of suprise.

Vandango

EunanMac wrote: »

Good to see Israel helping the Irish troops

Certainly beats them murdering nearly 600 children in Gaza.

nelly17

Vandango wrote: »

Certainly beats them murdering nearly 600 children in Gaza.

Or damaging the propellor of an Irish ship destined for Gaza as part of an aid flotilla

Wicklowrider

strangel00p wrote: »

em, that happened over fifty years ago. I'm probably wrong on this, but I thought the Irish surrendered at Jadotville?

It did happen fifty years ago.
That was the WHOLE point of my post. Go back and read slowly what I was answering and you might understand the context.

The Irish at Jadoville fought a full scale battle for 4 days, 3 nights. They fought to their last bullet. They left over 300 dead mercenaries, Gendarmie, and tribesmen dead on the field. There were no Irish killed. The enemy had artillery, air support and numbered aprx 3,000. A surrender was then negotiated when ammo, food and even water ran out.

A force of Ghurkhas, Swedes and Irish could not break through the enemy to relieve the besieged Irish.

The enemy officer, an ex French Foreign Legion officer, boasted he would have Cmdt Quinlan's head on a stick before the day was done. Quinlan despatched a patrol to gather intelligence and guess who they brought back as a prisoner?

One last thing. The amount of disrespect here towards the professionals who fought at Jadoville was countered by the Mercenaries reception for Cmdt Quinlan - they stood to attention in respect to his ability as soldier and leader.

You know the film Zulu? This was the same odds but the company in defense were the ones that were poorly armed.

EunanMac

Vandango wrote: »

Certainly beats them murdering nearly 600 children in Gaza.

Irish troops are not in favour by any side out there, make no mistake

Local-womanizer

They exchanged fire with the rebels by the sounds of it when they arrived at the Filipinos position. This obviously helped relive the pressure on the Filipinos and give them breathing room. The irish provided security to them on extraction.

It's not the first nor will it be the last time irish troops have been involved in firefights overseas. Every mission has had it's dangers hence why professional soldiers are deployed to these areas.

You rarely hear stories of contacts troops have been in overseas, and any report you do hear is usually incredibly sensationalised by media outlets, which is ridiculous when you think of what the families of the soldiers deployed be thinking when reading these reports.

You can be 100% sure every soldier has told their families, "unless you hear it from us directly, it's bullsh/t"

Red Nissan

Local-womanizer wrote: »

They exchanged fire with the rebels by the sounds of it "

Your link to this please.

So far what I've read does not support an engagement situation.

Nodin

Red Nissan wrote: »

Your link to this please.

So far what I've read does not support an engagement situation.

Did one of the Irish lads pull some young one out there? Tell us more.

Red Nissan

Local-womanizer wrote: »

You can be 100% sure every soldier has told their families, "unless you hear it from us directly, it's bullsh/t"

I'd disagree, we usually get a liaison officer to talk to. For any reason, troops may not have access to communications to home, be that logistics, security or alert situations.

I can tell you from personal experience that the civilians won't know the full extent of any operation until they hear it from those personally involved when they are back home on leave.

I could trade a few war stories with you, maybe another thread.

Wicklowrider

Red Nissan wrote: »

Your link to this please.

So far what I've read does not support an engagement situation.

" He said Irish troops in armoured vehicles exchanged fire with rebels on Saturday as they rescued Filipino troops from one of the besieged border posts. "
http://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/defence-minister-golan-risk-levels-not-acceptable-640810.html"

"The brief fire-fight took place at 9:50 local time this morning on the Syrian-Israeli border where Irish soldier have been patrolling since September as part of a UN force. - See more at: http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/irish-troops-forced-to-return-fire-in-syria-29793607.html#sthash.MIpWWIub.dpuf

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/irish-troops-forced-to-return-fire-in-syria-29793607.html

http://www.haaretz.com/news/middle-east/1.613451

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=d5f_1409483726

Red Nissan

Wicklowrider wrote: »

" He said Irish troops in armoured vehicles exchanged fire with rebels on Saturday as they rescued Filipino troops from one of the besieged border posts. "

Grand, I'll have to accept that then. That had been withdrawn but your link is today's date. Thanks.

EDIT: Having read a few of those links they have not actually updated critical roles and the Irish and Indian Troops are recognized as leading the rescue mission.

jonathan13

allroad wrote: »

The link you provided allows access to other Filipino reports on the incident.
The reference story appears to be based on the Mirror report alone, which seems to differ from Filipino accounts.

The Filipinos do not see themselves as helpless victims in this incident, nor should they, from almost all accounts. The QRF obviously did it's job, as you would expect, but I think some of the language used in Irish reports has annoyed some Filipino observers.

Imagine if the situation was reversed and Irish troops had refused to hand over their weapons, held off the enemy for 7 hours and effected an escape with the aid of UN colleagues. Who would we regard as heroes?

This is not to take away from our own troops, who carried out their job with their usual professionalism and reliability, but the Filipinos deserve better than to be treated as helpless hostages in the way the Mirror article implies.

the usual media credibility hyping the situation. There's only one thing, them all troops are already heroes. Being a soldier is like you consider yourself already dead.

Gatling

jonathan13 wrote: »

Being a soldier is like you consider yourself already dead.

Where did you get that from ???

arybvtcw0eolkf

jonathan13 wrote: »

the usual media credibility hyping the situation. There's only one thing, them all troops are already heroes. Being a soldier is like you consider yourself already dead.

What?.

Gatling

Brenda Limited AcrossL wrote: »

What?.

I'm thinking he's a call of duty player

arybvtcw0eolkf

Damn I think I've spent 30 years in a different bloody army!!.

/Hoping I'm still paid this Wednesday

Gatling

Brenda Limited AcrossL wrote: »

Damn I think I've spent 30 years in a different bloody army!!.

/Hoping I'm still paid this Wednesday

How dare you expect to be paid

Bloody conscripts

arybvtcw0eolkf

Gatling wrote: »

I'm thinking he's a call of duty player

Or an air soft marine :rolleyes:

Red Nissan

Just a small thing, the MOWAG Piranha, whilst armoured, is not bullet proof.

Gatling

Brenda Limited AcrossL wrote: »

Or an air soft marine :rolleyes:

You talking to me


Say hello to my little bb spraying friend

jonathan13

Gatling wrote: »

Where did you get that from ???

that's the way soldiers should think to have a proper perspective of every battle..its kinda acceptance that anytime anywhere something could happen and they would know how to deal with it, sorry if its a bit offending to you but this is just the way i see it

losthorizon

EunanMac wrote: »

From RTE news :



It will be interesting to see how much help Hamas and their allies give to the Irish troops.

Hamas is no where near that area but Hezbollah will help. They have been fighting these groups since the war broke out. They are on Assads side.

jonathan13

Brenda Limited AcrossL wrote: »

Or an air soft marine :rolleyes:

hello fans and i hope there are no stalker fans

i do airsoft and at the moment there are no open application for space marineðŸ˜

i came here to have a good ol discuss

Nodin

Gatling wrote: »

I'm thinking he's a call of duty player

Some Samurai thing more likely.....

Nodin

Red Nissan wrote: »

Being a soldier is like you are already dead.

As a young volunteer there was noting I wanted more than getting the opportunity to expunge my training and weapons in conflict.

I'd have gone anywhere and done anything and I'd have shot anybody that I was told to, or otherwise.

One accepts one's dispensability, one has to, one has to want to, otherwise one just cannot perform.

However, most who feel this way today are mercenaries, being in the Irish armed forces is thought of more as a career as in any other civil service job ~ after a few years one does put aside the John Wayne hat and settles down.

Not the word you're looking for.


Why are you taking the piss, as a matter of interest?

arybvtcw0eolkf

jonathan13 wrote: »

hello fans and i hope there are no stalker fans

i do airsoft and at the moment there are no open application for space marineðŸ˜

i came here to have a good ol discuss

I kinda guessed.. I do the other stuff, the real stuff.

I've been overseas a number of times and have seen plenty of action, never once did I consider myself "ready dead" (or even expendable).

jonathan13

Nodin wrote: »

Some Samurai thing more likely.....

now anime

Gatling

jonathan13 wrote: »

that's the way soldiers should think to have a proper perspective of every battle..its kinda acceptance that anytime anywhere something could happen and they would know how to deal with it, sorry if its a bit offending to you but this is just the way i see it

In reality it's not like that I don't take offence chap ,

Actually it reminds me of one of the private Blackburn scenes in black hawk down

Wicklowrider

I hope the fundamentalists are following this.
They'll be too busy scratching their heads to bother anyone.

jonathan13

Brenda Limited AcrossL wrote: »

I kinda guessed.. I do the other stuff, the real stuff.

I've been overseas a number of times and have seen plenty of action, never once did I consider myself "ready dead" (or even expendable).

good..very good

Nodin

Wicklowrider wrote: »

I hope the fundamentalists are following this.
They'll be too busy scratching their heads to bother anyone.

...they're probably worried about Irish suicide bombers by now.

jonathan13

Gatling wrote: »

In reality it's not like that I don't take offence chap ,

Actually it reminds me of one of the private Blackburn scenes in black hawk down

don't think so for me, but all respect to your opinion

arybvtcw0eolkf

Nodin wrote: »

...they're probably worried about Irish suicide bombers by now.

Wait until they hear about our Guinness farts

EmptyTree

Gatling wrote: »

Actually it reminds me of one of the private Blackburn scenes in black hawk down

Yes, or possibly a scene from band of brothers....

Keyboard warriors me's thinks....

jonathan13

EmptyTree wrote: »

Yes, or possibly a scene from band of brothers....

Keyboard warriors me's thinks....

?? who you?

Gatling

Imgagine recruitment poster's

Your all going to die,

join the infantry and die in style

jonathan13

Gatling wrote: »

Imgagine recruitment poster's

Your all going to die,

join the infantry and die in style

reminds me of uncle sams recruitment poster pointing at you as if he owned you already. the one with big hat

My name is URL

Gatling wrote: »

Imgagine recruitment poster's

Your all going to die,

join the infantry and die in style

Men, you're lucky men.

Soon, you'll all be fighting for your planet.

Many of you will be dying for your planet.

A few of you will be put through a fine mesh screen for your planet.

They will be the luckiest of all.