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Cigarette Sales to be banned on campus

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    #2
    OneOfThem Stumbled
    Registered Users Posts: 934 ✭✭✭OneOfThem Stumbled


    Raphael wrote: »
    http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/education/ucd-could-go-smokefree-after-ban-on-cigarette-sales-30548272.html

    Probably the first step towards a smoke free campus.

    Whoever said that university was the bastion of liberalism?


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    RayM
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,973 ✭✭✭RayM


    There's nothing illiberal about banning smoking. Addiction, by its very nature, stultifies people's freedom.


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    kilrush
    Registered Users Posts: 200 ✭✭kilrush


    I've said it before but things like this are what happens when people don't care about student elections. a tiny tiny amount of people actually voted for a smoke free campus last year so that gives the university every right in the world do things like this and say but you guys voted for this when people complain :confused:


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    OneOfThem Stumbled
    Registered Users Posts: 934 ✭✭✭OneOfThem Stumbled


    RayM wrote: »
    There's nothing illiberal about banning smoking.

    You see, it's statements like this that make the watering down of the humanities a tragedy.

    RayM wrote: »
    Addiction, by its very nature, stultifies people's freedom.

    Okay, leaving aside the argument concerning the freedom to allow people to "stultify" their own freedom, is the addictiveness of a substance the yardstick we're using for whether something should be banned from campus? Because, if it is, alcohol should be the first casualty. If looking at behavioural as well as substance addictions, then social media, porn, and gambling sites would have to be banned on campus too.

    Crap... I'm giving them ideas! :eek:
    kilrush wrote: »
    I've said it before but things like this are what happens when people don't care about student elections. a tiny tiny amount of people actually voted for a smoke free campus last year so that gives the university every right in the world do things like this and say but you guys voted for this when people complain

    Well the students union has for a very long time not been representative of UCD students. Maybe it was in the 80s and 90s, but now it's just the junior version of Irish politics; with some members having quite open connections to parties such as Fianna Fail and Labour. This helps drive apathy, which in turns leads to low turnout in things like that smoking referendum. The university itself isn't, of course, bound by the SU's decisions at all, but the fact that the SU is aping the nanny-state stance of the administration, essentially gives carte blanche to such moves within the campus.


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    AdamD
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    If you care enough about the issue you should have turned up to vote in the referendum, pretty simple really.


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    RayM
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,973 ✭✭✭RayM


    OneOfThem Stumbled wrote: »
    Okay, leaving aside the argument concerning the freedom to allow people to "stultify" their own freedom, is the addictiveness of a substance the yardstick we're using for whether something should be banned from campus? Because, if it is, alcohol should be the first casualty. If looking at behavioural as well as substance addictions, then social media, porn, and gambling sites would have to be banned on campus too.

    The vast majority of people can consume alcohol (and use social media, porn and gambling sites) without becoming addicted. The same isn't true of cigarettes. Smoking bans are not a civil liberties issue.


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    #8
    TireeTerror
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    Just outlaw smoking altogether and be done with it.


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    kilrush
    Registered Users Posts: 200 ✭✭kilrush


    OneOfThem Stumbled wrote: »


    Well the students union has for a very long time not been representative of UCD students. Maybe it was in the 80s and 90s, but now it's just the junior version of Irish politics; with some members having quite open connections to parties such as Fianna Fail and Labour. This helps drive apathy, which in turns leads to low turnout in things like that smoking referendum. The university itself isn't, of course, bound by the SU's decisions at all, but the fact that the SU is aping the nanny-state stance of the administration, essentially gives carte blanche to such moves within the campus.

    Just out of interest when was the last time someone was elected that has strong connections to a political party? I'm pretty sure none of the current crowd do or any of last years crowd? I would have thought at this stage they are almost going out of their way to prove they don't have connections to a party.

    Apart from that I agree with the whole student apathy point. The union needs a major reboot and I don't really know how they can go about it but I'm sure as always they are open to suggestions.. :P


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    #10
    Dapics
    Registered Users Posts: 568 ✭✭✭Dapics


    Who the phuck buys Camel and Chesterfield cigarettes?

    Hold a box of amber ffs. At least than it's relevant to this stupid 'ban'.


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