Kerry v Donegal All Ireland football final 2014 - Mod warning Post #598

T0001

Now who's going to win the AI???

Molester Stallone II

Don't you mean Kerry v the dream team

Stinicker

May it be won by the team of Green and Gold!

Seriously though I suppose Kerry will need to get the Blue of Munster back out again like in 2012??

Mr. Incognito

You should amend the thread title to list the date. September 16th.

Two great teams that have both been underdogs. Two fantastic managers.

Two physical teams.

Very hard to call. No clear favourite for me. Could go either way.

acequion

Stinicker wrote: »

May it be won by the team of Green and Gold!

Seriously though I suppose Kerry will need to get the Blue of Munster back out again like in 2012??

Damn I never thought of that! But then again blue has been lucky for us lately so why change!

lukin

I think it's Kerry's to lose now. No disrespect to Donegal but this suits Kerry down to the ground. It took a massive performance for Donegal win today. I don't think they will be able to repeat it in the final.

aveytare

lukin wrote: »

I think it's Kerry's to lose now. No disrespect to Donegal but this suits Kerry down to the ground. It took a massive performance for Donegal win today. I don't think they will be able to repeat it in the final.

Took a massive performance from Kerry as well. Think the final will be pretty dogged, Kerry won't be as open as Dublin at the back.

keane2097

Kerry 7/4 to win the final, crazy.

Stinicker

keane2097 wrote: »

Kerry 7/4 to win the final, crazy.

I never bet once in my life, is that good or bad odds?

TheCitizen

Donegal will win

keane2097

Stinicker wrote: »

I never bet once in my life, is that good or bad odds?

Big price IMO.

TheCitizen

Stinicker wrote: »

I never bet once in my life, is that good or bad odds?

It makes Donegal favourites. Donegal are 8/13.

Sunnyisland

Hope Donegal do it, Kerry have won it enough times :-)

manofwisdom

The odds should be closer but I think Donegal will beat kerry in a similar way to how they did in 2012.

Duffy the Vampire Slayer

lukin wrote: »

I think it's Kerry's to lose now. No disrespect to Donegal but this suits Kerry down to the ground. It took a massive performance for Donegal win today. I don't think they will be able to repeat it in the final.

Took two big performances from kerry to get through the semis.

Dirty Dingus McGee

A real clash of styles.

The purists of the game in Donegal against the cynical niggly tactics of Kerry:D

Amprodude

I wouldn't put it past McGuinness to deliver. He's got momentum going now. He dismantled Dublin so effectively that he could do the same v Kerry. Just wouldn't put it past him.

RoyalCelt

I reckon Donegal. They seem slighly better this year and beat the red hot favs. Kerry play a very defensive game and if they don't change for the final I think Donegal will win. Hard to see Kerry beating Donegal with a defensive style.

quad_red

Wonder what odds you would have gotten on a Donegal / Kerry final back in June!

Should be a fascinating contest. Donegal unexpectedly carved Dublin open at will yesterday and could've put more goals away. Don't think Kerry will gift them that space. Saying that, Donaghy will be well marshalled by donegal.

Can't wait.

sammy37

quad_red wrote: »

Wonder what odds you would have gotten on a Donegal / Kerry final back in June!

Should be a fascinating contest. Donegal unexpectedly carved Dublin open at will yesterday and could've put more goals away. Don't think Kerry will gift them that space. Saying that, Donaghy will be well marshalled by donegal.

Can't wait.

16/1 at the semi final stage which was an insult to both teams. Back in june the odds must have huge altogether.

keane2097

It seems like it would almost be a mistake to start Donaghy against Donegal...

elguapo

Amprodude wrote: »

I wouldn't put it past McGuinness to deliver. He's got momentum going now.

Same goes for Fitzmaurice.

T0001

This is going to be the tactical battle of the year, if not the decade. Both sides have a limited panel and both have developed and practically perfected their own respectively. Kerry have been playing a similar defensive style to Donegal this year but opt for the traditional kick passes from midfield into the forwards rather than work the ball up-field. It’s raises more questions than can be answered imo. Can Kerry overcome the defensive suffication or will Donegal get caught on the rebound? Realistically only one of these can be answered and which ever one is will determine the All-Ireland Champion. Hoping to get a ticket, although unlikely I’ll get any in Galway, for what should be an eagerly anticipated battle. I took Donegal at 19/1 for twenty last June, so here’s hoping!

SeanJ09

keane2097 wrote: »

It seems like it would almost be a mistake to start Donaghy against Donegal...

McGuiness will have more homework done on him already than Mayo had.

realweirdo

Dublin have some outstanding forwards and many options up front and they were shut out basically. No goals and were forced to pick off long range points.

I don't think the Kerry forwards are as good as Dublins. Does Kerry have anyone like McMenamen to come off the bench for example who has pace and power. Some of their long range shooting against Mayo was woeful. Some of their short range shooting wasn't much better. JOD will find himself swarmed every time he gets the ball. The high ball into Donaghy, an obvious tactic which Donegal will be well prepared for and training accordingly. Something Mayo ommitted to do.

If Donegal can handle the Dublin attack, they can handle any attack. Donegal for me.

T0001

SeanJ09 wrote: »

McGuiness will have more homework done on him already than Mayo had.

Plus, when they didnt cough up a goal v dublin chances of one v kerry are very slim

Stinicker

SeanJ09 wrote: »

McGuiness will have more homework done on him already than Mayo had.

Yes foul and try get away with it, that is the tactic always employed against Donaghy, He was being fouled all day against Mayo. Donegal will give away at least one penalty guaranteed.

realweirdo

Stinicker wrote: »

Yes foul and try get away with it, that is the tactic always employed against Donaghy, He was being fouled all day against Mayo. Donegal will give away at least one penalty guaranteed.

Give it a rest, he wasn't fouled all day. He was fouled a few times and even those weren't clearcut frees.

harpsman

Dirty Dingus McGee wrote: »

A real clash of styles.

The purists of the game in Donegal against the cynical niggly tactics of Kerry:D

Wonder what this genius will have to say?
http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/donegals-negativity-also-contributes-to-entertainment-30549414.html

RoyalCelt

harpsman wrote: »

Wonder what this genius will have to say?
http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/donegals-negativity-also-contributes-to-entertainment-30549414.html

Can't believe that tripe was posted in 2014. Donegal were great to watch from 2012 onwards. One of the most exciting styles for sure. As a defender I love seeing a team actually defend properly. Dublin's style this year reminded me of playing u14 years ago. Everyone wanted to attack and score and nobody cared for defending. Made me absolutely sick given I was a full back who actually enjoyed defending!

Anyway, how things have turned. Donegal now defend and attack better than kerry. Spillane must feel like a right spare tool!

DDC1990

Its funny both sides play ultra defensively... when defending.

Both go ultra attacking... when attacking. Its a novel concept, that some people fail to grasp.

When the other team has the ball, we will get lots of men behind the ball and stop them from scoring, when we have the ball, we will push forward quickly.

Both defenses are vastly different. Kerry with pressure from some forwards on the ball, while others retreat. Donegal with a mass retreat system, which sees 13 outfield players sprint to their 45m line, and turn to defend.

Both attacks are different. Kerry use direct kick passing into space, and get runners inside. If that option isn't there, then the ball is popped outside to midfielders and half backs, who sometimes have a crack at a point, or sometimes try to find space again. Donaghy's introduction gives another layer, the high ball.

Donegal break quickly from defense, with lots of men running off the shoulder at full pace. They will try and burst through tackles and lay off the ball. If the space is there accurate footpasses in front of Murphy/McFadden (and last week for a while Gallagher) are given. If not, they will try and run as hard and as fast as they can at the defender, before popping the ball off.

They are both frustrating to score against, and both highly entertaining to watch, when attacking.

FatimaKid

harpsman wrote: »

Wonder what this genius will have to say?

independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/donegals-negativity-also-contributes-to-entertainment-30549414.html

Jaysus, that's gas. Me ma was right, paper never refused ink.

K-9

DDC1990 wrote: »

Its funny both sides play ultra defensively... when defending.

Both go ultra attacking... when attacking. Its a novel concept, that some people fail to grasp.

When the other team has the ball, we will get lots of men behind the ball and stop them from scoring, when we have the ball, we will push forward quickly.

Both defenses are vastly different. Kerry with pressure from some forwards on the ball, while others retreat. Donegal with a mass retreat system, which sees 13 outfield players sprint to their 45m line, and turn to defend.

Both attacks are different. Kerry use direct kick passing into space, and get runners inside. If that option isn't there, then the ball is popped outside to midfielders and half backs, who sometimes have a crack at a point, or sometimes try to find space again. Donaghy's introduction gives another layer, the high ball.

Donegal break quickly from defense, with lots of men running off the shoulder at full pace. They will try and burst through tackles and lay off the ball. If the space is there accurate footpasses in front of Murphy/McFadden (and last week for a while Gallagher) are given. If not, they will try and run as hard and as fast as they can at the defender, before popping the ball off.

They are both frustrating to score against, and both highly entertaining to watch, when attacking.

Could be a typical Ulster football Donegal vs. Tyrone or Monaghan game then!

Personally I like the style of play going back to Tyrone days, the problem is when you've 2 teams playing similar styles it makes for a dour struggle for the neutrals.

keane2097

K-9 wrote: »

Could be a typical Ulster football Donegal vs. Tyrone or Monaghan game then!

Personally I like the style of play going back to Tyrone days, the problem is when you've 2 teams playing similar styles it makes for a dour struggle for the neutrals.

Era **** the neutrals!

Redsoxfan

keane2097 wrote: »

Era **** the neutrals!

+1. Neither set of players trains to entertain.

realweirdo

My guess is Donaghy won't start.
Kerry will try a conventional route for the first half. When they find Donegal are having none of it and their forwards aren't making headway, the big man will be called for. Kerry will spend most of the second half bombing it in and hoping something comes of it. Donegal I'm sure will have a plan for this. Good managers know how a game will play out before a ball is kicked.

DDC1990

On another note, I hope Jamsie wears an X-Small jersey, so McGee squared can't get a hold of it :P

If he does he'll never get away :P

He may need a crash helmet as well.

ciarriaithuaidh

keane2097 wrote: »

Era **** the neutrals!

It's "yerra"..c'mon Keano get it right!

keane2097

ciarriaithuaidh wrote: »

It's "yerra"..c'mon Keano get it right!

No time for extra letters on the mean streets of Tralee.

Pinesky

keane2097 wrote: »

No time for extra letters on the mean streets of Tralee.

Naree ?

Molester Stallone II

Pinesky wrote: »

Naree ?

Doubtful.....he can spell

keane2097

Pinesky wrote: »

Naree ?

Yes sir

major deegan

Yeah,fairly accurate predictions from the indo,no surprises there...

Pinesky

keane2097 wrote: »

Yes sir

Best of luck for your boys in the final.

Boom__Boom

Pinesky wrote: »

Naree ?

Molester Stallone II wrote: »

Doubtful.....he can spell

This made me laugh, especially as I would have always said is should be spelled Narrie

ciarriaithuaidh

Boom__Boom wrote: »

This made me laugh, especially as I would have always said is should be spelled Narrie

You mean "it" should be spelt Narrie..

Amprodude

Its gas how Kerry have adopted the northern style of football and they were the first to give out about it a few years ago. How ironic.

Pinesky

ciarriaithuaidh wrote: »

You mean "it" should be spelt Narrie..

You can spell it as you wish seen as its a derivation of Naire .
Bit like Boherbue .

bgrove

Amprodude wrote: »

Its gas how Kerry have adopted the northern style of football and they were the first to give out about it a few years ago. How ironic.

Northern style.....?,I don't remember 30 yard kick passes or direct balls lamped in to a full forward from 50 yards back then. Go back to your VCR tapes friend.

D'Agger

Amprodude wrote: »

Its gas how Kerry have adopted the northern style of football and they were the first to give out about it a few years ago. How ironic.

Thankfully it only took 11 years for us to get up to speed - the few All Irelands in the mean time were lucky I guess

K-9

D'Agger wrote: »

Thankfully it only took 11 years for us to get up to speed - the few All Irelands in the mean time were lucky I guess

I love the media commentry about Kerrys blanket, it's as if Kerry never played the blanket or defensive football ever!