Kerry v Donegal All Ireland football final 2014 - Mod warning Post #598

BPKS

homerjay2005 wrote: »

is Gooch actually training normally now or still on his own like Fitzmaurice said?

will be interesting to see if he gets togged out again the next day, i dont think he will get into the program/match day 26, but perhaps get the 28 like the last day and still be heavily involved on the bench.

He's only been able to train on his own, that was the reason that he only scored 1-5 in the game at Fota Island last weekend.

AFIK Gooch has done no contact work yet. One assumes he is sticking to a fairly rigid rehab programme. Last thing we need is another David Moran type scenario. For example he also didnt do the squat jumps the rest of the lads were doing in the warmup in Limerick. He'll do straight line running, kicking and so on. He's also on hand to offer plenty of advice to the forwards, and even a few backs;)

opiniated

T0001 wrote: »

TG4 are showing the Minor Final exclusively. RTE will most likely have umteen dozen pundits sitting all over Croker to tlak to to fill the 3 hours, along with videos of both Donegal and Kerry players and managers talking, accompanied by poorly edite montages of last years finals, the last time both counties won All-Irelands and the last time the counties met. Then, we will be treated to the thoughts of Colm O'Rourke, Pat Spillane and Joe Brolly as they join Michael Leister in Studio!

That should be fairly balanced commentary, so!:D

Nidgeweasel

BPKS wrote: »

He's only been able to train on his own, that was the reason that he only scored 1-5 in the game at Fota Island last weekend.

AFIK Gooch has done no contact work yet. One assumes he is sticking to a fairly rigid rehab programme. Last thing we need is another David Moran type scenario. For example he also didnt do the squat jumps the rest of the lads were doing in the warmup in Limerick. He'll do straight line running, kicking and so on. He's also on hand to offer plenty of advice to the forwards, and even a few backs;)

As a Donegal man I don't want the Gooch togging for obvious reasons! For football reason though I'd hate to see himback on Sunday only to end up going down injured again like Shefflin that time.

Obviously the major difference is that time might be on Gooch's side where as with Shefflin that time it was a farce that they played him at all.

Dubliner28

Heart says Kerry, head says Donegal. If Donegal get 4-5 ahead again like the Dublin game its theirs. They will be very hard to beat.
I'd say a lot could depend on Donaghy. He brought them back into the 1st semi and won them the second. If Donaghy/MOD click Kerry will get goals.

Overall going for Donegal by 2-3

wackokid

We hear that the elder McHugh brother is now back on the Donegal panel.
I can see the situation where the Gooch and McHugh enter the fray with 15 minutes left?
Both counties are denying this but I don't buy it. Two of the best footballers we have ever seen
sitting in the stands?
NOT A HOPE

homerjay2005

BPKS wrote: »

He's only been able to train on his own, that was the reason that he only scored 1-5 in the game at Fota Island last weekend.

this cannot be true.

Iintripod

Cooper with certainty will play no part..... Can run straight lines but it's the twisting and kicking that create the problems....cooper is being named in the panel as a testament of his work with the panel while injured. You can buy that experience in a panel. Mchugh playing would go against everything jim mc has been building for the last 4 years. Really good player but can see him risk unbalancing the team ethos by this move.

Iintripod

#cant buy that experience

BPKS

homerjay2005 wrote: »

this cannot be true.

No thats BS.

It was only 1-4 he scored and one of the points was a 13m free:D

homerjay2005

BPKS wrote: »

No thats BS.

It was only 1-4 he scored and one of the points was a 13m free:D

i suspect its a chinese whisper. he probably took part for 10 minutes in an a v b game and thats it.

however, if you have a decent source, then please PM me.

IF and i say IF he did score 1-4 off i assume a first choice corner back such as enright or marc, then id either worry about their form going into the game or be confident that Gooch would be ready to spring off the bench in the last 10 minutes.

i sill believe its BS tho.

Rookster

The Media are bombarding the people with how unbeatable Donegal are. Joe Brolly is almost Orgasmic about how unbeatable they are on the SG. Jim McGuinness is giving interviews spanning hours describing how their system cannot be beaten.

Meanwhile in the Kingdom you could hear a pin drop with the deathly silence. Roll on Sunday!!!!!!

downthemiddle

Rookster wrote: »

The Media are bombarding the people with how unbeatable Donegal are. Joe Brolly is almost Orgasmic about how unbeatable they are on the SG. Jim McGuinness is giving interviews spanning hours describing how their system cannot be beaten.

Meanwhile in the Kingdom you could hear a pin drop with the deathly silence. Roll on Sunday!!!!!!

http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/after-two-injuries-kieran-donaghy-now-a-star-reborn-30589173.html

http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/outsider-cian-oneill-feels-at-home-in-the-kingdom-30586550.html

http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/kerry-go-outside-kingdom-for-game-changing-facilitator-1.1929898

Johnny_Fontane

should be a cracking game. I've backed Kerry at 7/2 for HT/FT. I think there might be some value there.

Other than that, Kerry wont be as naive as Dublin defensively, but then they cant kick the sort of points that Dublin can either.

I think Donegal are right to be installed as favourites with the bookies.

As with most sports, the defense normally ends up on top, this might be no different. Heart says Kerry, head says Donegal.

wackokid

Johnny_Fontane wrote: »

should be a cracking game. I've backed Kerry at 7/2 for HT/FT. I think there might be some value there.

Other than that, Kerry wont be as naive as Dublin defensively, but then they cant kick the sort of points that Dublin can either.

I think Donegal are right to be installed as favourites with the bookies.

As with most sports, the defense normally ends up on top, this might be no different. Heart says Kerry, head says Donegal.

Bit of a contradiction there Johnny. You think there might be some value in backing Kerry @ 7/2 for HT/FT and your head tells you Donegal will win? Me no understand that.
I note an ex county footballer in one of today's papers saying..........Kerry will ave to come up with a master plan if they are to beat Donegal.
Those are my thoughts as well, as I can't see Kerry competing physically with Donegal in enough positions through the field. Gooch might be part of this master plan but others here wiser than me say that's a 'no go area'. Donaghy won't get any change out of Mrs McGee's two sons and neither will O Donoghue out of Paddy McGrath and or Thompson.

homerjay2005

Johnny_Fontane wrote: »

should be a cracking game

i expect this to be an awful game.

K-9

Rookster wrote: »

Jim McGuinness is giving interviews spanning hours describing how their system cannot be beaten.

Where's this now?

munster87

wackokid wrote: »

Bit of a contradiction there Johnny. You think there might be some value in backing Kerry @ 7/2 for HT/FT and your head tells you Donegal will win? Me no understand that.
I note an ex county footballer in one of today's papers saying..........Kerry will ave to come up with a master plan if they are to beat Donegal.
Those are my thoughts as well, as I can't see Kerry competing physically with Donegal in enough positions through the field. Gooch might be part of this master plan but others here wiser than me say that's a 'no go area'. Donaghy won't get any change out of Mrs McGee's two sons and neither will O Donoghue out of Paddy McGrath and or Thompson.

Define 'any change'. Would like to see what you think James O Donoghue will score in order for it to not be valued as change!

DoctaDee

homerjay2005 wrote: »

i expect this to be an awful game.

I'd agree but would qualify that by saying that the skill levels, application of players and excitement will befit an AI Final - those that can appreciate a "fascinating defensive battle" will be in their element.

wackokid

munster87 wrote: »

Define 'any change'. Would like to see what you think James O Donoghue will score in order for it to not be valued as change!

Say 2 or 3 points..............he won't get near the square imho. These defenders are miles ahead of anything J.O.D. has met so far but their style of defending in pairs/threes makes the life of any forward hell. Bernard Brogan and O Gara cases in point unless of course Mr Kinsella allows him to abuse the steps rule. Can't see it happening for him on Sunday, but he will will P.O.T.Y. I think.

keane2097

James is a lot faster than the three marquee inside forwards Donegal have met this season. Wouldn't think Neil McGee near as tough a match up for him as Higgins was, although McGee will have much better support.

In fairness, forwards rarely get more than three scores from play in All Ireland finals anyway, I would think if James got three points from play in what will be a low scoring game it's a bit harsh to say he didn't get much change out of a supposedly impregnable defence.

melon_collie

Somebody told me yesterday that Kerry have copied Donegal and taken their players off for the week to a training camp. Can anyone confirm/deny this rumour?

wackokid

keane2097 wrote: »

James is a lot faster than the three marquee inside forwards Donegal have met this season. Wouldn't think Neil McGee near as tough a match up for him as Higgins was, although McGee will have much better support.

In fairness, forwards rarely get more than three scores from play in All Ireland finals anyway, I would think if James got three points from play in what will be a low scoring game it's a bit harsh to say he didn't get much change out of a supposedly impregnable defence.

He will be a 'harsh' environment next Sunday. imho. Great player though.

keane2097

melon_collie wrote: »

Somebody told me yesterday that Kerry have copied Donegal and taken their players off for the week to a training camp. Can anyone confirm/deny this rumour?

Your source is not correct.

munster87

wackokid wrote: »

Say 2 or 3 points..............he won't get near the square imho. These defenders are miles ahead of anything J.O.D. has met so far but their style of defending in pairs/threes makes the life of any forward hell. Bernard Brogan and O Gara cases in point unless of course Mr Kinsella allows him to abuse the steps rule. Can't see it happening for him on Sunday, but he will will P.O.T.Y. I think.

I would be of the opinion that Keith Higgins is better than any Donegal back. As a unit they will prove tougher for O Donoghue but I still see a good individual tally on the way again.

dog_pig

Rookster wrote: »

The Media are bombarding the people with how unbeatable Donegal are. Joe Brolly is almost Orgasmic about how unbeatable they are on the SG. Jim McGuinness is giving interviews spanning hours describing how their system cannot be beaten.

Meanwhile in the Kingdom you could hear a pin drop with the deathly silence. Roll on Sunday!!!!!!

If you're a troll then that's fine but if not I worry for your mental state.

Johnny_Fontane

O'Donoghues first all ireland aswell. That cant be understated and he is probably the key kerry forward.

Cant wait to see this much vaunted donegal back line do their worst against donaghy and o'donoghue.

homerjay2005

munster87 wrote: »

I would be of the opinion that Keith Higgins is better than any Donegal back. As a unit they will prove tougher for O Donoghue but I still see a good individual tally on the way again.

the problem is that Donegal have 13 defenders. they wont allow 1 on 1 suituations to develop, or 2 on 2. i would expect it would be 2 v 4 at least if Donaghy and O'Donoghue are in there.

its going to be a right scrappy game. somehow we need to drag Donegal out. playing them at their own game is highely likely.

my issue is i dont think our half forward line is good enough to pick off long range scores and i hope M Geany is not in the team - should be O'brien or even Declan/Sheehan IMO.

Jimminy Mc Fukhead

keane2097 wrote: »

James is a lot faster than the three marquee inside forwards Donegal have met this season.

For parts of the game where Donegal play with twelve or thirteen in their own half there will simply be no space to put a ball into. So O'Donoghue won't be sprinting towards anything. The ball will have to come accurately to him or he will feed off Donaghy.

Old_-_School

melon_collie wrote: »

Somebody told me yesterday that Kerry have copied Donegal and taken their players off for the week to a training camp. Can anyone confirm/deny this rumour?

Yeah they're at a warm weather training camp..........down in Killarney. It's beautiful this time of year!

Chrissybhoy

homerjay2005 wrote: »

is Gooch actually training normally now or still on his own like Fitzmaurice said?

will be interesting to see if he gets togged out again the next day, i dont think he will get into the program/match day 26, but perhaps get the 28 like the last day and still be heavily involved on the bench.

He'll join in the warm up again. Doubt he's back in full training. He's still has a big part to play. Great voice and go to lad on final day

Chrissybhoy

wackokid wrote: »

Say 2 or 3 points..............he won't get near the square imho. These defenders are miles ahead of anything J.O.D. has met so far but their style of defending in pairs/threes makes the life of any forward hell. Bernard Brogan and O Gara cases in point unless of course Mr Kinsella allows him to abuse the steps rule. Can't see it happening for him on Sunday, but he will will P.O.T.Y. I think.

I can put my life on it JOD scores at least 5 points Sunday.

harpsman

wackokid wrote: »

We hear that the elder McHugh brother is now back on the Donegal panel.
I can see the situation where the Gooch and McHugh enter the fray with 15 minutes left?
Both counties are denying this but I don't buy it. Two of the best footballers we have ever seen
sitting in the stands?
NOT A HOPE

Yes-two of the best footballers we ve ever seen will be sitting in the stand- Jack O Shea and Peter Canavan.

Gocch will be sittin with the Kerry subs, but wont play and Mark McHugh is a long way from being among the best we ve seen. Hes an average player that Jim McGuinness turned into a very effective sweeper/linkman.

munster87

homerjay2005 wrote: »

the problem is that Donegal have 13 defenders. they wont allow 1 on 1 suituations to develop, or 2 on 2. i would expect it would be 2 v 4 at least if Donaghy and O'Donoghue are in there.

its going to be a right scrappy game. somehow we need to drag Donegal out. playing them at their own game is highely likely.

my issue is i dont think our half forward line is good enough to pick off long range scores and i hope M Geany is not in the team - should be O'brien or even Declan/Sheehan IMO.

Yeah M Geaney won't be kicking too many long range scores or Donncha Walsh. I think we will be winning alot more frees around the 45 in comparison to the last two matches and not having sheehans accuracy from placed balls could be a problem. Don't know what his fitness is like now. Declan can be a good man to have shooting from distance from play but can have his off days too. David Morans point kicking against mayo was promising but otherwise I would be trying to work around the defence another way. What way that is is the question! The ball into donaghy against mayo was brilliant in fairness but at the same time the effort made by cafferky was very feeble, McGee will be tearing into him. If he can manage to break ball successfully to James or Paul geaney it would be great. But we know there will be 10 Donegal men under every breaking ball at least. I don't envy Eamon Fitzmaurice this week!

wackokid

harpsman wrote: »

Yes-two of the best footballers we ve ever seen will be sitting in the stand- Jack O Shea and Peter Canavan.

Gocch will be sittin with the Kerry subs, but wont play and Mark McHugh is a long way from being among the best we ve seen. Hes an average player that Jim McGuinness turned into a very effective sweeper/linkman.

I bow to your superior knowledge..............know all lol

BonnieSituation

wackokid wrote: »

We hear that the elder McHugh brother is now back on the Donegal panel.
I can see the situation where the Gooch and McHugh enter the fray with 15 minutes left?
Both counties are denying this but I don't buy it. Two of the best footballers we have ever seen
sitting in the stands?
NOT A HOPE

Mark already said before the SF on RTÉ that he's not going to be back this year. He'll be back next year.

harpsman

wackokid wrote: »

I bow to your superior knowledge..............know all lol

My sarcasm detector is going mad here:D

Rookster

The ref will have to check how many players Donegal will field the next day because Joe Brolly has almost all the Kerry forwards being double-marked.

wackokid

Rookster wrote: »

The ref will have to check how many players Donegal will field the next day because Joe Brolly has almost all the Kerry forwards being double-marked.

6 into 12 = 2...........that leaves McFadden and A.N.Other free up front........lol

homerjay2005

3 days before the final and the thread is on the second page with no post in 24 hours....what on earth is going on?:eek::eek::eek:

robbiezero

homerjay2005 wrote: »

3 days before the final and the thread is on the second page with no post in 24 hours....what on earth is going on?:eek::eek::eek:

The long grass must be packed out.

Strange alright. The Tipp/Kilkenny threads are overloaded.

agfasfos

homerjay2005 wrote: »

3 days before the final and the thread is on the second page with no post in 24 hours....what on earth is going on?:eek::eek::eek:

PANIC ?.:eek:

keane2097

I suspect the fact that there wouldn't be any enmity between the two sides keeps the number of posts down. I remember the issue of Connolly's red card prompting a serious wedge of posts in 2011, I think we're better off this way!

elguapo

homerjay2005 wrote: »

3 days before the final and the thread is on the second page with no post in 24 hours....what on earth is going on?:eek::eek::eek:

The only "controversy" relating to this game is how similar the team jerseys are. No animosity between the teams or fans, everyone looking forward to the game, not a whole lot to be said beforehand, plenty to be discussed during and after.

Brian017

robbiezero wrote: »

The long grass must be packed out.

Strange alright. The Tipp/Kilkenny threads are overloaded.

That thread really exploded post-match though. I remember thinking that the thread was relatively quiet in the run up to it

DoctaDee

All the prematch stuff tends to be confined to the county threads (there's a relative feeling of safety there) - post match and it's everywhere

Nice to see no enmity between Kerry and Donegal .. how longs that gonna last ! lol

iDave

Looking forward to this match. Can sit back and enjoy the football without being too bothered who wins. although will lean more to Donegal. The semis rescued what's been a boring enough championship so hoping its a final to remember.

homerjay2005

DoctaDee wrote: »

All the prematch stuff tends to be confined to the county threads (there's a relative feeling of safety there) - post match and it's everywhere

Nice to see no enmity between Kerry and Donegal .. how longs that gonna last ! lol

there wouldnt be many donegal people posting on here to be fair and kerry people while theres more than Donegal, are not exactly taking over the place either!

Ollieboy

the broadband in both Donegal and Kerry is 3rd world, that might be the reason...

Or people are too busy trying to get there hands on tickets at this stage.

But just to get things going, it should be a easy win for us... Donegal in both Minors and the Senior game.

Alvin Holler

Ollieboy wrote: »

the broadband in both Donegal and Kerry is 3rd world, that might be the reason...

Or people are too busy trying to get there hands on tickets at this stage.

But just to get things going, it should be a easy win for us... Donegal in both Minors and the Senior game.

There may be something in that, 90% of the Donegal posters on our county thread appear to live in the Dublin area.

Hard to know with the minors, if haven't really played well for the full 60 minutes yet but we seem to up our game whenever required. Hopefully Mulligan and McBrearty will keep up their form and hopefully Lorcan Connor can show what he's capable of.

I'd be fairly confident of the senior match. I think we should be able to get a goal or two while keeping Kerry out so that should be the difference.

Ollieboy

Alvin Holler wrote: »

There may be something in that, 90% of the Donegal posters on our county thread appear to live in the Dublin area.

Hard to know with the minors, if haven't really played well for the full 60 minutes yet but we seem to up our game whenever required. Hopefully Mulligan and McBrearty will keep up their form and hopefully Lorcan Connor can show what he's capable of.

I'd be fairly confident of the senior match. I think we should be able to get a goal or two while keeping Kerry out so that should be the difference.

I believe the minor team haven't being beaten in 3 years as a group, winning under 16th Ulster League and Championship etc. When I saw them play in the Ulster Final I felt they were to big and strong for most other Minor teams (they could have won that game by double scores as it was over at 1/2 time). But Kerry Minors look very strong too. I spoke to Declan after the semi and he was very confident in his team so I'm hopeful for a treble this weekend after Donegal won the lotto last night. I've sure the winners will be at Croke Park this weekend of the lotto.