Feed a family nutritionally well for <€132 a week

papu

ch750536 wrote: »

B12 is found naturally in manure fertilized soil.

The Mind baffles , Meat "unsafe for human consumption" Eats unwashed veg grown in poop...

ch750536

A_Sober_Paddy wrote: »

ok, but can you post a peer reviewed journal to confirm this please

I possibly can but I'm not going to.

Mellor

ch750536 wrote: »

B12 is found naturally in manure fertilized soil.

B12 is found in manure. That doesn't mean it's found in plants that grow in thus soil.

Are you really suggesting eating traces of manure is your source of B12?

ch750536

Mellor wrote: »

B12 is found in manure. That doesn't mean it's found in plants that grow in thus soil.

Are you really suggesting eating traces of manure is your source of B12?

Yes.

Penny Tration

ch750536 wrote: »

& I keep saying that breakdown now is pointless, after day 5 makes more sense.


1 doughnut a week is fine. In fact, 1 doughnut a week and 1 pack of crisps \ popcorn in the school lunch each day is really good compared to most kids.

2 waffles eaten by the entire family, THIS WEEK does not seem excessive.

I don't expect them to get their nutrition from this. The doughnut does not delete nutrition. If they had 100% of their nutritional needs and then had a doughnut it does not mean that their nutrition vanishes. Sure, they have some bad stuff too but the good stuff is still there.

tldr;
Read & don't be a hater. There is loads of nutrition in our food, why focus on the 1 doughnut & 2 waffles we have consumed in total between 4 people in the last 5 days....

A pack of crisps every day for kids IS excessive. Things like that are supposed to be a treat, in moderation, not an every day thing.

Dotcomdolly

I usually stick to my budget of €150 per week for family off 4 and we eat meat every day, don't use processed items an awful lot, esp not for main meals.

ch750536

green_screen wrote: »

A pack of crisps every day for kids IS excessive. Things like that are supposed to be a treat, in moderation, not an every day thing.

Thats why they have 2 packs a week. Seriously guys, you need to read what I write & not make things up.

ch750536

Dotcomdolly wrote: »

I usually stick to my budget of €150 per week for family off 4 and we eat meat every day, don't use processed items an awful lot, esp not for main meals.

€150 seems to be about where I'm heading in week 1. How do they do nutritionally, roughly?

Penny Tration

ch750536 wrote: »

Thats why they have 2 packs a week.

Then why say they have a pack of crisps or popcorn each day?

ch750536

green_screen wrote: »

Then why say they have a pack of crisps or popcorn each day?

Ah, now you're nearly quoting me.....

Change 1 more thing.

Mellor

ch750536 wrote: »

Yes.

Well good luck with that. I don't believe eating poo is a good idea , but I do hope you are right about b12, as a deficiency can be pretty serious.

I'm interest to se how your weekly macros turn out. I agree what it's weekly numbers that are important. But I'm not sure why you keep trying to defend the crisps, waffles, etc

ch750536

Mellor wrote: »

Well good luck with that. I don't believe eating poo is a good idea , but I do hope you are right about b12, as a deficiency can be pretty serious.

I'm interest to se how your weekly macros turn out. I agree what it's weekly numbers that are important. But I'm not sure why you keep trying to defend the crisps, waffles, etc

Wont someone think of the waffles!:eek:;)


Guys - you're just not getting this.

If I eat a waffle it does not remove nutrition from my body. Even if it only adds bad stuff it still does not remove good stuff.

So we can eat 1/10th of a waffle per person per day and it will have no negative impact on our nutrition.

In fact, if I see waffles as 'fun food' then me eating them will make me feel good and more likely to continue with my nutritional food routines.

Penny Tration

ch750536 wrote: »

Wont someone think of the waffles!:eek:;)


Guys - you're just not getting this.

If I eat a waffle it does not remove nutrition from my body. Even if it only adds bad stuff it still does not remove good stuff.

So we can eat 1/10th of a waffle per person per day and it will have no negative impact on our nutrition.

In fact, if I see waffles as 'fun food' then me eating them will make me feel good and more likely to continue with my nutritional food routines.

I think it may be you who isn't getting it.

Your thread title says 'feeding family nutritionally well.'

You're feeding them a tonne of carbs and sugar, along with good food, as well as depriving them of vit b12 (eating manure doesn't cut it), which leaves people exhausted when they don't have enough (I have to get regular injections of the stuff).

That's not nutritional, because at least one nutritional need (vitamin b12), your food isn't providing.

ch750536

green_screen wrote: »

... as well as depriving them of vit b12 ...

Again, read the stuff. :rolleyes:
Notice 'chicken' in the meals. Only I am vegan as I have stated before.

ch750536

green_screen wrote: »

You're feeding them a tonne of carbs and sugar.

Evidence please

Penny Tration

ch750536 wrote: »

Evidence please

Bread. Pasta. Rice. Waffles. Crisps. Popcorn. Doughnuts. Lots of fruit. Weetabix.

As for your previous post - are you not part of the family? You're depriving yourself of a vital nutrient. You're part of the family. So you're not feeding all of your family nutritionally well.

ch750536

green_screen wrote: »

Bread. Pasta. Rice. Waffles. Crisps. Popcorn. Doughnuts. Lots of fruit. Weetabix.

Has anyone in your family eaten any of those this week.
2 slices of bread a day, 3 portions of rice a week, 2 waffles a week. 1 weetabix each morning! - am I really loading them up with a 'tonne of carbs and sugar'?
Stop being a hater and be a helper!

Mellor

ch750536 wrote: »

Guys - you're just not getting this.

If I eat a waffle it does not remove nutrition from my body. Even if it only adds bad stuff it still does not remove good stuff.

Nobody is suggesting it does. If the only negative aspect was a few shared waffles, nobody could really critique it.
But it's not the only "nutritionally empty" food there. A large portion of it is pretty poor imo.

ch750536

Mellor wrote: »

Nobody is suggesting it does. If the only negative aspect was a few shared waffles, nobody could really critique it.
But it's not the only "nutritionally empty" food there. A large portion of it is pretty poor imo.

Thats fine, I'm here for the constructive help & frankly could do with it. What would you remove and what would you replace. Be realistic though, these are kids. I'm pretty open to most ideas though.

Penny Tration

ch750536 wrote: »

Has anyone in your family eaten any of those this week.
2 slices of bread a day, 3 portions of rice a week, 2 waffles a week. 1 weetabix each morning! - am I really loading them up with a 'tonne of carbs and sugar'?
Stop being a hater and be a helper!

So, telling you that some of the food is bad, is now hating? If you don't want feedback, don't post a thread.

I can't speak for my family, as I don't know what they eat. But I don't eat any non-complex carbs, don't eat doughnuts, don't eat crisps and don't eat dairy.

ch750536

green_screen wrote: »

So, telling you that some of the food is bad, is now hating? If you don't want feedback, don't post a thread.

I can't speak for my family, as I don't know what they eat. But I don't eat any non-complex carbs, don't eat doughnuts, don't eat crisps and don't eat dairy.

The doughnut was a 'hero doughnut' - sadly it was what he chose as a reward for all his hard work in recovering from an injury over the summer to get to play in his first match of the season. We had a 40 min drive back home at 9pm and he was drained. doughnut worked as it kept him awake till he got home.

Crisps \ Popcorn are in the lunchboxes for first break. Its always a healthy(er) crisp & replaced bars that they had last year. Far better.

ch750536

ch750536 wrote: »

Thats why they have 2 packs a week. Seriously guys, you need to read what I write & not make things up.

ch750536 wrote: »

Ah, now you're nearly quoting me.....

Change 1 more thing.

ch750536 wrote: »

Crisps \ Popcorn are in the lunchboxes for first break. Its always a healthy(er) crisp & replaced bars that they had last year. Far better.

So are you now saying they are having them daily?

ch750536

bluewolf wrote: »

So are you now saying they are having them daily?

No, they do not have crisps daily. Please quote where I said that.

Penny Tration

bluewolf wrote: »

So are you now saying they are having them daily?

It's gone from daily, to 2 times a week, to 5 times a week.

OP, you may think crisps are better than chocolate, but I really don't see how. Lower sugar, but higher salt and probably higher sat fat

Who's eating the 2 units of crisps in day 1, 4 units of crisps in day 2, 4 units of crisps in day 3, 2 units of popcorn in day 4, then?

I mean I've nothing against the occasional packet but having it every day and announcing this as highly nutritious is where I'm having trouble going along with it, especially if the justification is you're eating manure fertiliser

ch750536

green_screen wrote: »

It's gone from daily, to 2 times a week, to 5 times a week.

OP, you may think crisps are better than chocolate, but I really don't see how. Lower sugar, but higher salt and probably higher sat fat

If you're gonna make stuff up at least make it something fun.
Like, errr. Well, I dunno.

Penny Tration

ch750536 wrote: »

If you're gonna make stuff up at least make it something fun.
Like, errr. Well, I dunno.

You said you don't see the problem with them having crisps/popcorn in their lunch boxes each day.

Then you said you give them crisps twice a week.

Then you stated that you replaced bars with crisps in their lunch box.

ch750536

bluewolf wrote: »

Who's eating the 2 units of crisps in day 1, 4 units of crisps in day 2, 4 units of crisps in day 3, 2 units of popcorn in day 4, then?

I mean I've nothing against the occasional packet but having it every day and announcing this as highly nutritious is where I'm having trouble going along with it

Again, if you're going to make things up then do a good job of it. Where did I say 'highly nutritious'?

Bad troll is bad.

Penny Tration

ch750536 wrote: »

Again, if you're going to make things up then do a good job of it. Where did I say 'highly nutritious'?

Bad troll is bad.

So...
They have two packs a week.

Yet there are 12 packs of crisps/popcorn counted in 4 days.

Rather than answer bluewolf' s question, you call her a troll?

Makes sense.

ch750536

green_screen wrote: »

You said you don't see the problem with them having crisps/popcorn in their lunch boxes each day.
Bad troll is bad error.

Please quote where I stated this

ch750536

green_screen wrote: »

So...
They have two packs a week.

Yet there are 12 packs of crisps/popcorn counted in 4 days.

Rather than answer bluewolf' s question, you call her a troll?

Makes sense.

Waiting for her to answer my question first.

Penny Tration

ch750536 wrote: »

& I keep saying that breakdown now is pointless, after day 5 makes more sense.


1 doughnut a week is fine. In fact, 1 doughnut a week and 1 pack of crisps \ popcorn in the school lunch each day is really good compared to most kids.
2 waffles eaten by the entire family, THIS WEEK does not seem excessive.

I don't expect them to get their nutrition from this. The doughnut does not delete nutrition. If they had 100% of their nutritional needs and then had a doughnut it does not mean that their nutrition vanishes. Sure, they have some bad stuff too but the good stuff is still there.

tldr;
Read & don't be a hater. There is loads of nutrition in our food, why focus on the 1 doughnut & 2 waffles we have consumed in total between 4 people in the last 5 days....

There ya go, OP. and with that, I'm out.

Enjoy eating crisps and manure.

ch750536

green_screen wrote: »

There ya go, OP. and with that, I'm out.

Enjoy eating crisps and manure.

"You said you don't see the problem with them having crisps/popcorn in their lunch boxes each day."


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ch750536

green_screen wrote: »

There ya go, OP. and with that, I'm out.

Enjoy eating crisps and manure.

Taken earlier this lunch. Possibly some poo on my tomato, was delicious.


& the lunch you are all so sure I am unhealthy with

Stheno

ch750536 wrote: »

Taken earlier this lunch. Possibly some poo on my tomato, was delicious.


& the lunch you are all so sure I am unhealthy with

What did the rest of the family have for lunch?

maximoose

Crisps and popcorn.

ch750536

Stheno wrote: »

What did the rest of the family have for lunch?

Kids were at school & left before I woke so I'll find out later on. Tracey is at work today & ditto.

ch750536

maximoose wrote: »

Crisps and popcorn.

At least there's no harmful rice! Was considering waffles.

Brian?

ch750536 wrote: »

"You said you don't see the problem with them having crisps/popcorn in their lunch boxes each day."


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ch750536

Brian? wrote: »

Mod Note: DO NOT call anyone a troll again. If you have issues with a post report it.

Apologies, I'll stick with misrepresenter.

?Cee?view

Where is there any protein or fat in that pictured lunch?

Is the slump after all those starchy carbs difficult to overcome?

ch750536

?Cee?view wrote: »

Where is there any protein or fat in that pictured lunch?

Spinach, kale, french beans for protein
Not much fat.

?Cee?view wrote: »

Is the slump after all those starchy carbs difficult to overcome?

What slump?

Stheno

ch750536 wrote: »

Spinach, kale, french beans for protein
Not much fat.

100g each of spinach/kale and french beans (so 300g in total) would only contain about 9 grams or so of protein, and I doubt there was that amount of each in your lunch plate

Dotcomdolly

ch750536 wrote: »

€150 seems to be about where I'm heading in week 1. How do they do nutritionally, roughly?

They have cereal for breakfast (malted whaties/aldi hoops).
Lunch is a bread roll with cheddar & ham, half apple + half clementine.
Fruit as snack after school, maybe with some almond butter.
Dinner is homemade - tonight pulled pork with salsa, cheese, avocado. They'll prob have theirs in wraps, I'll have mine in lettuce cups.
I have a lamb caserrole on for tomorrow.

No "treats" mon-fri, they have a treat in their nana's on saturday & one desert over weekend.
Never keep porcorn,crisps, biscuits etc in the house.

?Cee?view

ch750536 wrote: »

Spinach, kale, french beans for protein

Seriously, you'd need a bucketful to get the same as you'd get from a chicken breast or a nice bit of fish.

ch750536 wrote: »

Not much fat.

Exactly. You need some healthy fats to the exclusion of transfats you consume in other examples you give.

ch750536 wrote: »

What slump?

The one after the shedload of carbs from that enormous portion of potatoes. Of course, everyone's body reacts differently and you may be lucky enough to not feel the effects of such an overload.

ch750536

Stheno wrote: »

100g each of spinach/kale and french beans (so 300g in total) would only contain about 9 grams or so of protein, and I doubt there was that amount of each in your lunch plate

Protein is a requirement from days to days not on a per meal basis. It is something that takes time to get your head around when you stop eating meat but protein comes from many many sources, not always 1/3rd of my dinner plate.

The salad you saw is excellent for the macros. I've also had almonds, sunflower seeds, pumpkin seeds so far today.

?Cee?view

ch750536 wrote: »

Protein is a requirement from days to days not on a per meal basis.

Would it not be far easier, and conceivably healthier, to eat in a balanced way consistently rather than sporadically?

ch750536

?Cee?view wrote: »

Seriously, you'd need a bucketful to get the same as you'd get from a chicken breast or a nice bit of fish.

I dont need protein in every meal. It's available from many other sources

?Cee?view wrote: »

Exactly. You need some healthy fats to the exclusion of transfats you consume in other examples you give.

Completely agree. I'm not going to add fat to my salad just to give it fat though. I'll add it to myself in some other way.

?Cee?view wrote: »

The one after the shedload of carbs from that enormous portion of potatoes. Of course, everyone's body reacts differently and you may be lucky enough to not feel the effects of such an overload.

Maybe you're too close to the screen. The spuds were tiny (took 6 mins to cook) so really were not shedloads. Maybe the photo does not properly show this.

ch750536

?Cee?view wrote: »

Would it not be far easier, and conceivably healthier, to eat in a balanced way consistently rather than sporadically?

Each to their own. If it's easier for you that's fine. Healthier - no proof whatsoever that protein needs to form a substantial part of each meal else you have health issues.

?Cee?view

ch750536 wrote: »

Maybe you're too close to the screen. The spuds were tiny (took 6 mins to cook) so really were not shedloads. Maybe the photo does not properly show this.

I count 17 on my large screen. Even if they're the size of grapes that's a big portion.