Unsuspecting women post nude selfies in solidarity with Jennifer Lawrence

HeyyMeow

It sounds like people are blaming these celebrities for behaving like normal human beings. Why should they always have to go to extreme lengths so they can have a somewhat normal life. Of course there are paparazzi following them around in public but that's where it stops. If the paparazzi broke into the celeb's house to take a photo it's not the celeb's fault for not protecting their house and having more security.

Da Shins Kelly

I seriously doubt Jennifer Lawrence's career is going to be destroyed over this. She's one of the most well-liked people in Hollywood right now. I don't think I know many people who have anything but good things to say about her, and many people are completely supportive of her and the others who were targeted over this. I don't think that the knowledge that she has performed oral sex is going to change that. Sometimes women her age give blow jobs! Is that really so shocking? People need to get over this idea that sexuality, and more specifically, female sexuality is somehow so scandalous and that a woman's image should be tainted forever just because it is known that she's sexually active.

in fact, I can see Jennifer Lawrence coming out of this stronger and with more support than ever. I've heard more people disapproving of the leak than supporting it.

Wibbs

HeyyMeow wrote: »

It sounds like people are blaming these celebrities for behaving like normal human beings.

I certainly don't, so let's get that outa the way first. Their personal photos were stolen and spread about the net by scumbags and onanists. It is entirely the fault of said scumbags and onanists. However one can hold that opinion and also suggest people, all people should be careful about what they put out on the airwaves.

Why should they always have to go to extreme lengths so they can have a somewhat normal life.

It's in the nature of the beast. On the one hand we have the idyllic world that should be and on the other we have the sad reality that actually exists. The reality is that the richer, or the more powerful, or the more famous you are the more you have to lose and the more people will be out to take it from you. A billionaire's house has way more security than a student's bedsit. They are a bigger target than a student's bedsit. They have more to lose by not taking precautions against such loss. In an idyllic world Bill Gates wouldn't have locks on his doors, but he does, because it's not.

Same goes for celebrities. They are a bigger target than the rest of us for all sorts of scumbags, from the paps trying to get pics through long lenses, to stalkers going through their bins, to crazed fans even killing them(QV John Lennon) and in this case a naked photo of a celeb, particularly a woman celeb is a huge target. I mean just look at how this exploded on the web. How many times have these pics been copied? Millions of times wouldn't surprise me. Which should be all we need to know about how many sad **** exist out there. They already take precautions with security around them and their property and now it seems they have to attend to security around their electronic/online life too.

I'd say that to anyone though, celeb or not. The landscape of privacy and the nature of it has changed rapidly in the last decade, more rapidly than many realise or have had time to adjust to. Indeed many are happy to hand over their privacy to ArseBook, Twatter, GPS phones, tagged photos, etc, even paying to have their DNA data uploaded to a database(beyond daft IMH), just to be part of the new landscape. We're a social animal so this stuff plugs right into that. It's bad enough now, but imagine in another decade's time? That's a scary thought.

What I'm hoping comes out of this current invasion of privacy is that all of us, celebs and non celebs will be more careful about how we regard and guard our privacy. Like I say this incident proves how unidyllic the world we live in is and shows how many scumbags there are out there.

As for it being called a "sex crime"? Last year another bunch of celebs(Mel Gibson was one IIRC) were targeted by a hacker nerd and their financial details were uploaded to the web. It wasn't a bank robbery, it was an invasion of privacy by theft. Just like this is. It's much more personal yes and hopefully the full weight of the law falls upon the onanists who stole these photos, but "sex crime" is a stretch and a bit histrionic IMH.

meeeeh

HeyyMeow wrote: »

It sounds like people are blaming these celebrities for behaving like normal human beings. Why should they always have to go to extreme lengths so they can have a somewhat normal life. Of course there are paparazzi following them around in public but that's where it stops. If the paparazzi broke into the celeb's house to take a photo it's not the celeb's fault for not protecting their house and having more security.

Who says that paparazzi are any better. Max Mosley is one of the few that decided to fight back. Unfortunately he is not pretty or likable so there were very few sympathetic articles written claiming he is a sex crime victim.

Anyway everybody is entitled to privacy but people have to be realistic about the security of their data. It is not fair in the same way as is not fair for the children of some important or rich people to be kept behind locked doors because they are in danger of being abducted etc. unfortunately these things get prosecuted only when there is already a victim.

Wibbs

meeeeh wrote: »

Who says that paparazzi are any better.

Exactly. Outside of the Z list "celebs" that pay for beautifully framed shots of them in bikinis with their "boyfriend" and working the system, the papped shots of those who don't are everywhere and are read and commented on voraciously. Those are stolen personal moments too. And it has to be said the majority of that stuff isn't aimed primarily at a male readership. In the last few days we've had male saddos uploading and spreading personal photos of these women, but go into a newsagents 365 days of the year and you'll be met with magazine after magazine of stolen moments of celebs, showing their private lives, musing on same and often pointing out their flaws and few enough bat an eyelid. There does seem to be a dissonance around this whole area. We the audience need to look to ourselves too. If there wasn't a market for naked celebs or celebs in general how much of this stuff would get published? Put it another way if a pap had snapped any of the women in this leak in a similar state of undress or sexual congress he or she would have been able to command a 5 figure sum, because this stuff has an audience and a bloody wide one.

Max Mosley is one of the few that decided to fight back. Unfortunately he is not pretty or likable so there were very few sympathetic articles written claiming he is a sex crime victim.

+1.

Anyway everybody is entitled to privacy but people have to be realistic about the security of their data. It is not fair in the same way as is not fair for the children of some important or rich people to be kept behind locked doors because they are in danger of being abducted etc. unfortunately these things get prosecuted only when there is already a victim.

Nail on head IMH.

Lyaiera

From The Guardian today.

Investigations into the targeted hacking of celebrities’ iPhone accounts have turned into a child abuse case after it emerged that the US Olympic gymnast McKayla Maroney, one of the alleged victims, was under 18 at the time some nude photos were taken.

Under US and other laws, it is illegal to own or share sexual images of another person under 18. With the FBI already investigating the leak, that means that the gang behind the widespread targeted hacking of female celebrities - including Maroney and others – could be facing far more serious charges than those relating to the original theft of the photos.

http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2014/sep/03/celebrity-icloud-hacking-turns-into-child-abuse-case-over-maroney-pictures

I wonder if people are going to continue saying this is ok, despite it being child pornography, just because the woman is famous?

This whole event is showing us some really scary things about a lot of people's attitude to women.

Lyaiera

Good for this charity, turning down immoral money.

Prostate Cancer Foundation doesn't want money from Redditors who looked at stolen celebrity photos

Reddit users raised more than $5,000 yesterday for the Prostate Cancer Foundation, only to have the donation denied. The money was raised by users on the subdomain r/TheFappening, which on August 31 published more than 100 nude photos of celebrities such as Jennifer Lawrence, Kate Upton, and Kirsten Dunst. These photos were hacked off of their iCloud accounts without their permission.

http://www.vox.com/xpress/2014/9/3/6101103/prostate-cancer-foundation-returns-donation-after-celebrity-attack

Bafucin

Lyaiera wrote: »

From The Guardian today.



I wonder if people are going to continue saying this is ok, despite it being child pornography, just because the woman is famous?

This whole event is showing us some really scary things about a lot of people's attitude to women.

The truth is there are some psychopaths out there whose entire psychopathy revolves around apathy and bitterness towards women.

Sexism is crazy. To be a real sexist or a misogynist you have to be crazy.

I have had certain women say 'I hate men', I realize that is their issue. I think with men and women who feel this way it is usually tempered with common sense or some level of sanity. With many it's not.

Think about why he did this. Jennifer Lawrence is beautiful,popular, successful and who is he? Nothing. He is not liked and most likely a very bitter weird person.

I think it's saying more about men who have severe personality disorders and general losers on the net.

The saying goes the bigger your E penis the smaller you are in real life.

Most hackers work ethical hacking for security etc. There are some genuine heroes who are outside the system. But the rest of them are very strange.

What puzzles me is how some people can possibly see this guy as a hero or a jokster?

He is the biggest loser. Cyber Stalks a woman he could never hope to see naked and leaks a photograph that obviously breaches her personal privacy. He is a bitter annoying twat. This is the only way he can get attention. By posting naked photos of beautiful women that he had to steal.

I don't think her career will be destroyed. But that's really not the point.

Wibbs

Lyaiera wrote: »

I wonder if people are going to continue saying this is ok,

Who is saying it's OK? Outside of a bunch of 4Chan porn mongers and virgins there has been widespread condemnation and "ah here that's not on" going on. Social media is tripping over itself to show support to the degree that other women are stripping off and posting naked pics in solidarity that was based on some troll's post. And now because they're celebs the Feds are getting right on the case, yet many more hundreds of women's private pics have been passed around saddos in the interwebs, but they weren't famous so... In a way this might get them working on some of the "ordinary" women who've been targeted on revenge porn type sites.

despite it being child pornography, just because the woman is famous?

Obviously none of this is OK, but jumping on the child pornography bus is again a tad OTT. If she was/is under 18 she is considered a child under US law, the images themselves would be legal somewhere like Spain or even here(if she was 17 at the time).

Lyaiera

Did you read the After Hours' threads on this Wibbs? A few of them were locked and maybe deleted. The attitude of a lot of people in them was truly sickening. And I said so at the time.

And if it takes a celebrity case to highlight these people's behaviour, then good.

Bafucin

Who is saying it's OK? Outside of a bunch of 4Chan porn mongers and virgins there has been widespread condemnation and "ah here that's not on" going on. Social media is tripping over itself to show support

yet many more hundreds of women's private pics have been passed around saddos in the interwebs, but they weren't famous so... In a way this might get them working on some of the "ordinary" women who've been targeted on revenge porn type sites.

Did you read the After Hours' threads on this Wibbs? A few of them were locked and maybe deleted. The attitude of a lot of people in them was truly sickening. And I said so at the time.

And if it takes a celebrity case to highlight these people's behaviour, then good.

Agreed both extreme feminists and extreme manospherists tend to live in their own reality. Outside in the real world common sense prevails.

These attitudes do exist but only in saddo world.

Wibbs

Lyaiera wrote: »

Did you read the After Hours' threads on this Wibbs? A few of them were locked and maybe deleted. The attitude of a lot of people in them was truly sickening. And I said so at the time.

I haven't TBH L. Well I've read the main one that I think is still there. It doesn't surprise me that you'll get the prurient and the gobshítes showing up with stuff like this. The "your ma. Let's make a joke" brigade, but overall I'd bet that the vast majority of normal human beings think this was an invasion of privacy and the perps are stereotypical fat nerds in damp basements.

And if it takes a celebrity case to highlight these people's behaviour, then good.

+1000 and hopefully highlights the privacy debate in the online world and the permanence of one's presence on said world.

Da Shins Kelly

Wibbs wrote: »

And now because they're celebs the Feds are getting right on the case, yet many more hundreds of women's private pics have been passed around saddos in the interwebs, but they weren't famous so... In a way this might get them working on some of the "ordinary" women who've been targeted on revenge porn type sites.

Actually, I think at least one creator of those revenge porn sites that target ordinary women was taken to court over it. However, I think he may have been let go on the grounds of free speech. :rolleyes:

Lyaiera

Da Shins Kelly wrote: »

Actually, I think at least one creator of those revenge porn sites that target ordinary women was taken to court over it. However, I think he may have been let go on the grounds of free speech. :rolleyes:

I heard about that. I don't know how the case turned out though. It's bad this is an issue and but it's good it's being addressed.

Wibbs wrote: »

I haven't TBH L. Well I've read the main one that I think is still there. It doesn't surprise me that you'll get the prurient and the gobshítes showing up with stuff like this. The "your ma. Let's make a joke" brigade, but overall I'd bet that the vast majority of normal human beings think this was an invasion of privacy and the perps are stereotypical fat nerds in damp basements.

The attitudes people showed, and the level of jokes directed at the celebrities was highly offensive. I felt outraged throughout the thread and was dismayed at the attitude towards women. Hopefully there's nothing sinister to it rather stupidity but it's still quite intimidating and scary.

Shakespeare's Sister

Can see both sides: the hacker is the one who is ultimately responsible, but... if you're in the public eye you are taking a risk and would be better off minimising this risk (that is not the same as victim-blaming).

A difficult, murky one - hard to form an opinion on it.

eviltwin

I find the whole thing disgusting. Its only out there because the hacker put it out there, makes you think what else they or others have gotten that they have kept for themselves, think about it, everything you do online could be there for the taking. I feel so sorry for all affected, you take a private pic and you think its safe and for your eyes only and then this happens, its a horrible violation. Hopefully the person involved with be caught.

Riskymove

Lyaiera wrote: »

Did you read the After Hours' threads on this Wibbs? A few of them were locked and maybe deleted. The attitude of a lot of people in them was truly sickening. And I said so at the time.

happens all the time, even on topics far more sensitive than this

it is the nature of AH; I also wouldn't take much stock in all of it, I think many of them don't really hold the positions they post but enjoy trolling, stirring things up or looking "cool" to peers etc.

one of the downsides to the digital age

Lucyfur

Riskymove wrote: »

happens all the time, even on topics far more sensitive than this

it is the nature of AH; I also wouldn't take much stock in all of it, I think many of them don't really hold the positions they post but enjoy trolling, stirring things up or looking "cool" to peers etc.

one of the downsides to the digital age

MOD

Don't bash other forums. It's a site wide rule.

Wibbs

eviltwin wrote: »

I find the whole thing disgusting. Its only out there because the hacker put it out there, makes you think what else they or others have gotten that they have kept for themselves, think about it, everything you do online could be there for the taking.

Indeed so. What I haven't seen mentioned and what surprises me is that with access to phone backups they'd also get their text messages and phone records and GPS locations over time. That stuff would be gold to your gutter press. More than the photos in some ways. Then again there has been clear evidence in the past of tabloids getting into messaging services so they're probably at that stuff all the time on a low level.

skallywag

Explicit images of oneself belong on an encrypted disk with a strong password which you have locally in your own possession. Putting such material onto any cloud service is incredibly naive, if not indeed flat out stupid.

Tigger99

Many android phones automatically upload to the cloud. A fact I only found out yesterday. Even if that wasn't the case, the focus should be on the hacking not suggesting these victims are stupid.

TheBeardedLady

skallywag wrote: »

Explicit images of oneself belong on an encrypted disk with a strong password which you have locally in your own possession. Putting such material onto any cloud service is incredibly naive, if not indeed flat out stupid.

A person wouldn't know this unless they actually found out about it. Many people who spend a lot of time online and know a lot about technology assume everyone does. I've only realised that hacking a cloud or whatever the hell is possible since this came to light. Technology has been developing so rapidly that it's difficult for the average person to keep themselves up-to-date on the dos and don'ts.


However, I do find it a bit odd that people as famous as these women wouldn't have people advising them on issues such as this though.

skallywag

TheBeardedLady wrote: »

Technology has been developing so rapidly that it's difficult for the average person to keep themselves up-to-date on the dos and don'ts.

With all due respect, one doesn't need to be the sharpest knife in the drawer to work out that putting explicit pictures on a cloud service may not be a bright idea.

skallywag

Tigger99 wrote: »

... Even if that wasn't the case, the focus should be on the hacking not suggesting these victims are stupid.

Sorry. I do not agree. Putting explicit pictures on any cloud service is indeed stupid. Perhaps a 12 year old is not tuned in enough to know the difference, but an adult should have enough cop on to know the difference. If not, then I suggest binning the smart phone.

TheBeardedLady

skallywag wrote: »

With all due respect, one doesn't need to be the sharpest knife in the drawer to work out that putting explicit pictures on a cloud service may not be a bright idea.

You would have to be at least somewhat tech savvy (nothing to do with intelligence) to know the ins and outs. You're assuming everyone is. They're not.

eviltwin

Is the nature of the pics really the issue here? Surely the important point in all this is that someone had the know how to hack into the accounts of all these people and gain access to personal data. We've only heard about the celebrities and only those celebrities who had salacious pics, how many other people have had their privacy violated this way. I think we've gone past the days where we are outraged by a nude snap of someone taken in the privacy of our own home, we're all mature enough to deal with that and the women involved will move on from it but the impact of knowing someone was looking at private photos of you and your loved ones, maybe reading messages, texts etc that will be harder to get past.

skallywag

TheBeardedLady wrote: »

You would have to be at least somewhat tech savvy (nothing to do with intelligence) to know the ins and outs. You're assuming everyone is. They're not.

Would you not think that those who post explicit pics of themselves have a duty (to themselves at least) of getting tech savvy first?

TheBeardedLady

skallywag wrote: »

Sorry. I do not agree. Putting explicit pictures on any cloud service is indeed stupid. Perhaps a 12 year old is not tuned in enough to know the difference, but an adult should have enough cop on to know the difference. If not, then I suggest binning the smart phone.

Put your smart phone in the bin (not going to happen) or fill yourself in on internet security and be more careful in the future.

skallywag

eviltwin wrote: »

Surely the important point in all this is that someone had the know how to hack into the accounts of all these people

Very valid point.

Most peoples apple accounts are protected with a few very basic questions. E.g. if know someones first car, city their parents met, name of first pet, etc, then there is a good chance I can reset their password and hence gain access to the account. Each user needs to have the responsibility themselves to know this, and to put in place the required adequate safeguards.

TheBeardedLady

skallywag wrote: »

Would you not think that those who post explicit pics of themselves have a duty (to themselves at least) of getting tech savvy first?

It's human nature to make mistakes and learn from those mistakes. What's done is done. No doubt most of us will take precautions in the future. What's common sense to you might not be to others.

Princess Peach

I do think it is the nature of the pictures that is causing the most problem. If the hacker had published the likes of their personal diary, personal emails, photos or information on friends and family, bank details, I'm not sure there would be as much criticism on the victims.

meeeeh

I like this one:

allym

It's so accurate, it's actually a little upsetting.