Metalman - Yes they can!

drumswan

So its definitely the same recipe as the draught? Are the can prototype recipes to come later does anyone know?

oblivious

drumswan wrote: »

So its definitely the same recipe as the draught?

I presume so , but it not uncommon for a bottle version of a beer to be slightly different than the draught

Paz-CCFC

slayerking wrote: »

Up on Drinkstore at the mo.
€2.80 per can. No 4 for 10. :mad:

Bulk deal is €2.60 per can for 24

That's the equivalent of just over €4.80 a pint (or €4.35 if a Beoir member). Places that offer four for a tenner aren't really giving good value either - it's the equivalent of €4.30 for a pint. When the Franciscan Well have Metalman on cask, it's €4; for keg, I think it's a fiver. The Bierhaus do it at €4.20 for cask (€3 if you're a Beoir member) or €4.80 on keg.

These prices could be justified for a once off, seasonal or high abv beer. But for a 4.3% APA in off-licences to be around the same price or more expensive than equivalent on-licence draught pints, it's a total rip off.

BaZmO* wrote: »

Yeah loads of times. Obviously not in a can, but it can only be equal to are less good than the draught version.

Metalman's pricing is double plus ungood.

drumswan

3 quid pints? That's some value. It's less pricey when compared to Dublin prices, though my idea of this being a 6 for 12 sort of go to sessioner were wildly optimistic

recyclops

Picked up three cans tonight in shankill, style as delicious as I remember

themandan6611

choices choices

4 x metalman for €10.80 or 4 x centennial for €10

sorry there is only one winner

slayerking

themandan6611 wrote: »

choices choices

4 x metalman for €10.80 or 4 x centennial for €10

sorry there is only one winner

Pretty good value alright.

Also 4 x All Day for €10 & 4 x SNPA for €10 if cans are your deal.

I'll be buying a can or maybe two of Metalman to try it, but it wont be becoming the regular at home go to I was hoping it would. One and done.

Ravelleman

For me it's another beer in the pile of beers that I will buy if discounted in some way.

Geuze

slayerking wrote: »

Up on Drinkstore at the mo.
€2.80 per can. No 4 for 10. :mad:

Bulk deal is €2.60 per can for 24

2.80 for a 33cl can means 4.24 per 50 cl. Is this a joke price for a pale ale?


Bottled pale ale brewed by O'Hara's is under 2.00 in Aldi / Tesco, isn't it?

In that context, no, in any context, 4.20 is a crazy price to pay for a 4.5% approx pale ale in an off-licence.

Sure I pay 4.00 - 4.50 in my local pub for PA brewed in Meath, and that's in a pub..........

Geuze

To compare, Chimay Red 7% is 3.40 in the same shop.


Shipped from Belgium
No excise rebate (worth about 25c per pint)
Higher excise due to 7% vs 4.5% approx

and yet just 60c more.

JONJO THE MISER

Wanted to buy this, but there taking the piss out of us with the pricing.
Wont get much success with this pricing.

Lovely Bloke

Not buying it at that price point. Not even to try, I already know what Metalman Pale Ale tastes like, and I don't believe it to be worth 2.80/ a can from an off licence. Or even 2.52 with the Beoir 10%.

emco

Well I'm going to buy it. Straight after work!

Although I do think there is a generally unfair price disparity between 330ml and 500ml beers in off licenses in general, and I usually stick to the 500ml.

drumswan

With the new rules from the central bank today Im going to use the 10% deposit I had saved up to buy a can of Metalman instead

Ruben Remus

Slightly off topic, but I saw they started stocking Mountain Man's Green Bullet in my local SuperValu. The price: €4. This for one bottle, 500mls, of a 4% pale ale.

I've said it before, but I just can't see how these prices are going to be sustainable.

Regarding Metalman, as others have said, I might buy one can if I come across it but that's about as far as it will go for me.

the beer revolu

Just bought a can.
Probably the last can at that price.

Beersmith

I love getting a metalman on draught and have just tasted it from the can. Draught is far superior imo.

emco

2.40 in Carry Out Tyrrellstown, better than most.

quadrifoglio verde

At 5 for 10 Euro, I'd buy it, but Christ not at those prices.
That said fair play if they can maintain those prices, but I won't be buying. As someone else pointed out it's the same for founders in a can. .
Feck my local supervalu has 4 cans of punk for a tenner. You'd need to have your head examined to justify those prices

Ravelleman

Ruben Remus wrote: »

Slightly off topic, but I saw they started stocking Mountain Man's Green Bullet in my local SuperValu. The price: €4. This for one bottle, 500mls, of a 4% pale ale.

I've said it before, but I just can't see how these prices are going to be sustainable.

You do shop in Supervalu.

drumswan

Had a can last night and enjoyed it, the same lovely biscuity malt you get in the draught came through nicely.

snowblind

I don't know why "shipped from x" counts towards reasons to buy over local produce with the same price. Especially if it's a hoppy beer that deteriorates in taste being shipped far away, then the "shipped from x" should actually count as a positive in favour of local produce.

However the pale doesn't compete in flavour profile with Centennial for example, it's a sessionable beer with less of a lot of things. Founders has scale, manufacturing taxes etc on their side to keep price down. Favouring local breweries can sometimes be attractive for the sake of it. The breweries have a long way to go until they can start competing with the big craft players, but I'll be here, giving them the benefit of doubt rather than giving out. Some people seem to think they set their prices just to take the piss :cool:

BaZmO*

snowblind wrote: »

I don't know why "shipped from x" counts towards reasons to buy over local produce with the same price. Especially if it's a hoppy beer that deteriorates in taste being shipped far away, then the "shipped from x" should actually count as a positive in favour of local produce.

However the pale doesn't compete in flavour profile with Centennial for example, it's a sessionable beer with less of a lot of things. Founders has scale, manufacturing taxes etc on their side to keep price down. Favouring local breweries can sometimes be attractive for the sake of it. The breweries have a long way to go until they can start competing with the big craft players, but I'll be here, giving them the benefit of doubt rather than giving out. Some people seem to think they set their prices just to take the piss :cool:

Yeah I hate the way that Eight Degrees take the p1ss with their €1.99 price for a 330ml bottle of their core range.

slayerking

Not accusing them of taking the piss, maybe some are, I think we just all expected a core range 330ml serving of beer to be priced a little differently.
Sounds strange, but even ensuring they at least try to hit the 4 for €10 price range everywhere would have made a massive difference, even though its still pretty expensive.

I'm a massive supporter of Irish breweries myself, I'd say I exclusively drink about 90% Irish craft beer. I'm willing to splash out on some of the more interesting seasonals but, where core range is concerned, I do take price into consideration.
I've found myself drinking more of the deals lately. Dunnes 4 for 9, Super Valu 4 for 10, Aldi/Tesco/Lidl occasional deals etc. The likes of O'Haras, Kinsale, Bru, Kenmare, O'Sheas etc to choose from and 500ml bottles too.

It will be interesting to see how the Metalman cans fair once the honeymoon period wears off or if the price changes over time.

drumswan

The brewer does not set the retail price, they cant 'hit the 4 for 10 range'. Dunnes 4 for 9 would be a loss leader for off licences at the prices they are paying Blacks etc.

slayerking

drumswan wrote: »

The brewer does not set the retail price, they cant 'hit the 4 for 10 range'. Dunnes 4 for 9 would be a loss leader for off licences at the prices they are paying Blacks etc.

I'm aware of that but surely they can discuss this with the distributor, project a price based on middle men getting their cut or have a RRP.

oblivious

slayerking wrote: »

I'm aware of that but surely they can discuss this with the distributor, project a price based on middle men getting their cut or have a RRP.

From talking to a couple of brewers some distributors take a 30% cut, with no wiggle room.

BaZmO*

I know we'll just end up going around in circles (again!) but I don't think anybody can deny that the current pricing for Metalman (whomever is responsible for it) is a little disappointing.

snowblind

BaZmO* wrote: »

Yeah I hate the way that Eight Degrees take the p1ss with their €1.99 price for a 330ml bottle of their core range.

Metalman cans are 25% more expensive. Hardly a great injustice there.

Also how much did the 8 degrees beers cost when they first arrived on the market? I don't remember myself, but I'm quite sure it wasn't 1.99.

BaZmO*

snowblind wrote: »

Metalman cans are 25% more expensive. Hardly a great injustice there.

Strange choice of word.

snowblind

BaZmO* wrote: »

Strange choice of word.

it was paired with hardly

Also my edit was buried there and it's an earnest question so:

Also how much did the 8 degrees beers cost when they first arrived on the market? I don't remember myself, but I'm quite sure it wasn't 1.99.

BaZmO*

snowblind wrote: »

Indeed

Also how much did the 8 degrees beers cost when they first arrived on the market? I don't remember myself, but I'm quite sure it wasn't 1.99.

Good question.

snowblind

BaZmO* wrote: »

Indeed

Can you tell me what you're getting at, insinuating doesn't really help here

St. Lupulin

Also how much did the 8 degrees beers cost when they first arrived on the market? I don't remember myself, but I'm quite sure it wasn't 1.99.

They were always e1.99.

They charge extra for stronger IPAs etc that's it.

BaZmO*

snowblind wrote: »

Can you tell me what you're getting at, insinuating doesn't really help here

You posted the confused icon and I agreed.

St. Lupulin

drumswan wrote: »

The brewer does not set the retail price, they cant 'hit the 4 for 10 range'. Dunnes 4 for 9 would be a loss leader for off licences at the prices they are paying Blacks etc.

oblivious wrote: »

From talking to a couple of brewers some distributors take a 30% cut, with no wiggle room.

8 degrees online shop sells their beers directly. It's cheaper to buy them in Drinkstore...and you don't have to order 72 beers minimum either.

snowblind

BaZmO* wrote: »

You posted the confused icon and I agreed.

First you said my wording was strange, then I posted a confused smiley and then you say you agree with that. Are you sure you aren't just being intentionally obscure? If you disagree with something, say what it is. Otherwise you'll never get anywhere and insinuating without saying is just kinda rude dude

drumswan

St. Lupulin wrote: »

8 degrees online shop sells their beers directly. It's cheaper to buy them in Drinkstore...and you don't have to order 72 beers minimum either.

Drinkstore is not cheaper than buying direct from the brewery, nor would you expect it to be.

8 Degrees seem to be a bit of an outlier when it comes to pricing in the Irish market.

snowblind

But I'm pretty sure 8 degrees started out as more expensive too. When you get some market coverage for a new unproven product and don't have big money behind you, I guess the risks are higher....just like....the prices.

St. Lupulin

snowblind wrote: »

But I'm pretty sure 8 degrees started out as more expensive too. .

They didn't I still have 2011 drinkstore receipts in my inbox.

snowblind

St. Lupulin wrote: »

They didn't I still have 2011 drinkstore receipts in my inbox.

Thank you! I wouldn't trust my memory on these things so I'm glad someone is organized :P

Still, not too bothered by this, hopefully they'll be able to make their processes more dynamic and get the price down after a while

St. Lupulin

drumswan wrote: »

Drinkstore is not cheaper than buying direct from the brewery, nor would you expect it to be.

24 bottles of Full Irish on Drinkstore.ie = e56.16*

Includes 10% Beoir discount which every sane 8 degrees drinker is a member of.

24 bottles of Full Irish on eightdegrees.ie = e59.50

Not to mention you'd have to buy 48 more beers off them before you make the order.

BaZmO*

Just did a search for previous orders with Drinkstore and I found an order for Howling Gale from June 2011 and it was €1.99.

snowblind

I do think the Metalman Pale is clearly better than any of the 8 degrees core range beers, so I would rather pay 25% more for the can anyways.

St. Lupulin

snowblind wrote: »

I do think the Metalman Pale is clearly better than any of the 8 degrees core range beers.

Agreed.

They'd do well to better The Full Irish and Amber Ella though and I wonder what they'd charge for 6% abv beers?

drumswan

St. Lupulin wrote: »

24 bottles of Full Irish on Drinkstore.ie = e56.16*

Includes 10% Beoir discount which every sane 8 degrees drinker is a member of.

24 bottles of Full Irish on eightdegrees.ie = e59.50

Not to mention you'd have to buy 48 more beers off them before you make the order.

Id forgotten about the Beoir discount. I always forget to use it also unfortunately.

oblivious

St. Lupulin wrote: »

8 degrees online shop sells their beers directly. It's cheaper to buy them in Drinkstore...and you don't have to order 72 beers minimum either.

Sunburnt is 44.30 for 24 currently, that's 1.84 a bottle without shipping

They can't sell less than 20 liters or so with a brewers licence direct to the public.


Drink store is 1.99 for the same

St. Lupulin

oblivious wrote: »

Sunburnt is 44.30 for 24 currently, that's 1.84 a bottle without shipping

They can't sell less than 20 liters or so with a brewers licence direct to the public.

Sunburnt is 1.71 a bottle in drinkstore if you buy 24...

Even if you're "too lazy" or whatever to join Beoir for a measly tenner, it's then only 6 bleedin' cents more expensive....

And I know about the limit they have, it sucks. We need to get together and decrease that nonsense.

drumswan

oblivious wrote: »

Sunburnt is 44.30 for 24 currently, that's 1.84 a bottle without shipping

They can't sell less than 20 liters or so with a brewers licence direct to the public.


Drink store is 1.99 for the same

Hes counting the 10% discount you get with your Beoir membership.

St. Lupulin

I love 8 degrees by the way, and the online shop is a great idea. Terrible execution though.