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Morrissey. Dublin. Dec 1st 2014.

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    #152
    drumswan
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    Dan_Solo wrote: »
    It's a simple question: would the gig be better or worse without it?
    I'd have to agree yes it would be better without the video. Believe it or not it does upset some people and I can't recall anybody converting to vegetarianism because they went to a Morrissey concert.

    Its Morrissey, he doesnt give a bollix who he upsets. Thats part of his appeal.

    I thought it was an intense and challenging part of the show myself. Created a talking point after the gig for those I attended with. Who cares what the delicate flowers think


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    #153
    Dan_Solo
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    drumswan wrote: »
    I thought it was an intense and challenging part of the show myself. Created a talking point after the gig for those I attended with. Who cares what the delicate flowers think
    Yeah, now I think back it certainly did the times I saw him too. Most people I was with (including vegetarians) didn't think much of it mind you.


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    #154
    drumswan
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    Dan_Solo wrote: »
    Yeah, now I think back it certainly did the times I saw him too. Most people I was with (including vegetarians) didn't think much of it mind you.

    Think they picked the wrong fella if they want someone who they'll agree with all the time :)

    The chaps a bit of a head case, but like I said, thats the appeal. Refreshing to see someone who goes their own way in a world of manufactured drone acts


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    #155
    Liam92
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    Dan_Solo wrote: »
    Quoted again for those who seem to be having trouble remembering their own argument.
    If Morrissey fans understand all this, what is the video for? Or does Morrissey think his fans don't understand?
    Is it just part of the show that's not supposed to have any message at all?

    I'll say this again so. The song is Meat is Murder, a song full of emotion and angst against a trade which Morrissey despises. If he can use a video which perfectly resonates with the song, he should use it as his will. If you happened to have been offended by the content at the gig, you could have gone for a toilet break, a drink, closed your eyes etc..

    Why should he have not used it again because his fans may understand his anger? That seems silly when the animal trade continues, and the murder continues in Morrissey's eyes.

    It's Morrissey, a man who operates at his own free will, bowing down to no one. Would he stop using the video because people were put off? He would most definitely not!


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    #156
    Dan_Solo
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    Liam92 wrote: »
    It's Morrissey, a man who operates at his own free will, bowing down to no one. Would he stop using the video because people were put off? He would most definitely not!
    And I'll say it again, the times I've seen him most people there and the people I talked to about it afterwards were put off by it. Who am I to tell him what to do, but the gig would've been better IMO if it was left out.
    BTW, to repeat, I wasn't offended by it myself, as you are saying.


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    #157
    Liam92
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    Dan_Solo wrote: »
    And I'll say it again, the times I've seen him most people there and the people I talked to about it afterwards were put off by it. Who am I to tell him what to do, but the gig would've been better IMO if it was left out.
    BTW, to repeat, I wasn't offended by it myself, as you are saying.

    I didn't mean you, as in you personally. I meant anybody who was offended. However, people still do attend his gigs despite being put off by his video material.

    On a lighter note, I thought the gig was impressive. His band were fantastic, as was Morrissey's voice.
    To be honest, I'm just glad he actually showed up, in light of all the illnesses and walk-offs he as had in recent times.

    Anna Calvi was amazing, also!


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    #158
    Ice Storm
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    The whole point of the video is to offend / upset / shock.

    Most people know what to expect and if they don't want to see it, use the song as an opportunity to go to the bar / toilet.

    Morrissey has been doing things his own way for a long time and he's not going to change now. I don't think it stops people going to his gigs.


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    #159
    boobar
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    Birneybau wrote: »
    What did y'all think of Anna Calvi?

    That was my third time seeing her, first 2 were her own gigs in Vicar Street.

    A force of nature in my opinion!

    I thought she was excellent, great voice, great guitar sound. Very unexpected, will definitely check out her music.


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    #160
    boobar
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    In the video montage, after Anna Calvi finished her set, there's a clip of a guy in a grey suit singing and dancing.

    Anyone know the song or singer?


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    #161
    How Soon Is Now
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    The support wasn't my cup of tea at all she did more screaming then anything. The video package before Morrissey was more entertaining!

    I taught the meat is murder video was fairly in your face but ya if he wants to show it his choice!

    Not that I was offended by it or anything but I always find at any of his gigs I've been to so far it always distracts me over the song itself!


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    #162
    boobar
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    boobar wrote: »
    In the video montage, after Anna Calvi finished her set, there's a clip of a guy in a grey suit singing and dancing.

    Anyone know the song or singer?

    Just found out...

    Yesterday man by Chris Andrews 1967

    Great tune...unusual video


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    #163
    The Nal
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    drumswan wrote: »
    Its a brutal venue, totally destroys the intimacy I enjoyed when I saw him at the INEX, Vicar St, The Olympia etc. That said the sound is very good.

    Only if you're relatively close. Its a crap at the back of the crowd. Really crap.

    Its a ****e venue. Like a big warehouse.

    Moz was great though. His voice was so good and the setlist was a cracker. I love the new album so happy he played so much of it.

    Wasn't a huge issue but people talking through gigs?! These people are the worst ****ers imaginable.


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    #164
    horseburger
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    The Nal wrote: »
    Only if you're relatively close. Its a crap at the back of the crowd. Really crap.

    Its a ****e venue. Like a big warehouse.

    Moz was great though. His voice was so good and the setlist was a cracker. I love the new album so happy he played so much of it.

    Wasn't a huge issue but people talking through gigs?! These people are the worst ****ers imaginable.

    They're at every gig, it's best to try and ignore it.

    I often see people talking at gigs during the songs, then when the song ends, they clap, when everyone else claps, but then when the next song starts they continue to talk.:mad:


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    #165
    drumswan
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    The Nal wrote: »
    Only if you're relatively close. Its a crap at the back of the crowd. Really crap.

    Its a ****e venue. Like a big warehouse.

    Moz was great though. His voice was so good and the setlist was a cracker. I love the new album so happy he played so much of it.

    Wasn't a huge issue but people talking through gigs?! These people are the worst ****ers imaginable.

    Was seated upstairs, sound was excellent.

    Had two aul ones behind me talking through the whole gig as well. *****.


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    #166
    seachto7
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    Do people who talk at gigs, go to the gig, so they can say to their mates the next day: "I was at Morrissey". Morrissey comes on stage, and they probably stare in wonder for the first song or two and think to themselves: "I'm at Morrissey. Cool". Then they realise they don't know any of the songs apart from "one or two", and start talking to each other.


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    #167
    horseburger
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    seachto7 wrote: »
    Do people who talk at gigs, go to the gig, so they can say to their mates the next day: "I was at Morrissey". Morrissey comes on stage, and they probably stare in wonder for the first song or two and think to themselves: "I'm at Morrissey. Cool". Then they realise they don't know any of the songs apart from "one or two", and start talking to each other.

    I was at Sly and Robbie with Ernest Ranglin in Whelans two years ago, and there was talking throughout the whole gig.

    For all those who were talking knew, Ernest Ranglin is likely playing guitar - as a session musician - on albums they own, but they probably don't even realise it, and they couldn't be bothered shutting the f**k up for the 90 or so minutes the gig lasted.


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    #168
    Loafing Oaf
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    seachto7 wrote: »
    Do people who talk at gigs, go to the gig, so they can say to their mates the next day: "I was at Morrissey". Morrissey comes on stage, and they probably stare in wonder for the first song or two and think to themselves: "I'm at Morrissey. Cool". Then they realise they don't know any of the songs apart from "one or two", and start talking to each other.

    It's incomprehensible to me that someone would pay 60 quid for a ticket and do that. Are they so rich they can spend that kind of money on a gig they have only a passing interest in...

    You can sort of live with it at music but for comedy and spoken word acts it's unforgivable...


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    #169
    Dan_Solo
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    Loafing Oaf wrote: »
    It's incomprehensible to me that someone would pay 60 quid for a ticket and do that. Are they so rich they can spend that kind of money on a gig they have only a passing interest in...

    You can sort of live with it at music but for comedy and spoken word acts it's unforgivable...
    It really does drive you closer to the front, doesn't it? But you can't do that at an all seater.
    I was at Henry Rollins spoken word once and he asked the crowd if they weren't interested in what he was saying, in which case he could just take the money and go back to the hotel... he did mutter at the end "maybe it's some sort of cultural thing" which he might have something in.


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    #170
    Ice Storm
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    I don't understand people going to gigs only to watch it on the screen of their phone or tablet.

    Why can't they just enjoy the moment? You can watch shaky videos anytime on YouTube! Really annoying when my view is obstructed by people's ipads.


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    #171
    Loafing Oaf
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    Dan_Solo wrote: »
    It really does drive you closer to the front, doesn't it? But you can't do that at an all seater.
    I was at Henry Rollins spoken word once and he asked the crowd if they weren't interested in what he was saying, in which case he could just take the money and go back to the hotel... he did mutter at the end "maybe it's some sort of cultural thing" which he might have something in.

    I was at one of his shows years ago and it just spoiled the atmosphere. The 'heckling' was actually quite mild by the standards of what you get at Irish comedy gigs but seemingly he's used to people sitting in respectful silence everywhere else. If it is indeed a 'cultural thing' it's not one that would fill you with pride...


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    #172
    Tony EH
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    Birneybau wrote: »
    Wow, worst crowd ever. The usual talking/shouting bullsh!t.

    Didn't hear any talking, but there was some gobshite behind us shouting "I love you Morrissey", every ten minutes.

    Worse still were the feckin egits trying to get to the front with trays of beer!!! At a gig? WTF?

    Anyway, it was a decent show, but I reckon it's possibly something of a farewell thing and I could have done without the Texas Chainsaw Massacre in the middle of 'Meat is Murder' TBH.

    I haven't been to "The Point" since I saw Morrissey and Bowie play there.


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    #173
    joe123
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    Morrissey sounded class but my god I have never been in a worse crowd. Granted its a crap venue as its essentially just a big warehouse, but bloody hell it felt like I was the only one that was a Morrissey fan.

    People with arms folded, hands in pockets. Some chatting away to each other. It felt like I was the only one singing along with arms in the air.

    It was my first time seeing him live. I really hope I get another chance.


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    #174
    Loafing Oaf
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    Tony EH wrote: »
    Didn't hear any talking, but there was some gobshite behind us shouting "I love you Morrissey", every ten minutes.
    joe123 wrote: »
    Morrissey sounded class but my god I have never been in a worse crowd. Granted its a crap venue as its essentially just a big warehouse, but bloody hell it felt like I was the only one that was a Morrissey fan.

    Anyone thinking what I'm thinking?:P

    Re the indifferent crowd, a former work colleague who went to see him a few years ago said he was disturbed by the degree of idolisation, and this guy is an old Smiths fan from back in the day. There's probably a happy medium there somewhere...


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    #175
    everlast75
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    Everyone knows that he is (still) ill, but to make the jump that he is dying, its the last gig etc is a fairly large jump to make!?


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    #176
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    joe123 wrote: »
    Morrissey sounded class but my god I have never been in a worse crowd. Granted its a crap venue as its essentially just a big warehouse, but bloody hell it felt like I was the only one that was a Morrissey fan.

    People with arms folded, hands in pockets. Some chatting away to each other. It felt like I was the only one singing along with arms in the air.

    It was my first time seeing him live. I really hope I get another chance.

    Granted, the atmosphere wasnt the best but I have been to 6 gigs at the new point now and a couple have had ridiculously good atmospheres, as good as I have experienced anywhere anyway! Noel Gallagher especially coming to mind but I think its a very good venue and very easy to get in and out of and to get around


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    #177
    breakfasttime
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    Granted, the atmosphere wasnt the best but I have been to 6 gigs at the new point now and a couple have had ridiculously good atmospheres, as good as I have experienced anywhere anyway! Noel Gallagher especially coming to mind but I think its a very good venue and very easy to get in and out of and getting around


    yeah the queens of the stone age gig had a great atmosphere too.


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    #178
    Birneybau
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    everlast75 wrote: »
    Everyone knows that he is (still) ill, but to make the jump that he is dying, its the last gig etc is a fairly large jump to make!?

    Big time. People are going on like it was Glen Campbell on his last tour after he was diagnosed with alzheimers. Moz is only 55.


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    #179
    breakfasttime
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    First time seeing Morrissey and I really loved it thought his voice sounded great. I've listened to the new album a lot since the summer so I wasn't put off by the World Peace Is None Of Your Business-heavy setlist. Hopefully I'll get to see him live again!


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    #180
    Corholio
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    joe123 wrote: »
    Morrissey sounded class but my god I have never been in a worse crowd. Granted its a crap venue as its essentially just a big warehouse, but bloody hell it felt like I was the only one that was a Morrissey fan.

    People with arms folded, hands in pockets. Some chatting away to each other. It felt like I was the only one singing along with arms in the air.

    It was my first time seeing him live. I really hope I get another chance.

    What's wrong with this!? Some people can still enjoy concerts without singing the songs themselves. I'd rather hear Morrissey sing than 2 guys either side of me singing to be honest. Nothing wrong with singings at gigs of course, but not everyone goes there as a 'singer'.


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    #181
    Ash.J.Williams
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    Loafing Oaf wrote: »
    It's incomprehensible to me that someone would pay 60 quid for a ticket and do that. Are they so rich they can spend that kind of money on a gig they have only a passing interest in...

    You can sort of live with it at music but for comedy and spoken word acts it's unforgivable...
    some people get free tickets and go for a laugh


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